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PostJun 28, 2019#7326

Seven shooting in 12 hours yesterday.
https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/crime/police-investigating-7-shootings-within-12-hours-days-after-chief-hayden-addresses-gun-violence-on-twitter/63-934167b6-8972-4287-9a53-ceb6616e6c68

With the expected heat and humidity the weekend homicide over/under stands at 3.5

Early projected line for the long 4th of July weekend is currently 10.5

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PostJul 04, 2019#7327

Stltoday - Three people shot on Delmar Loop

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/cri ... 3dced.html

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PostJul 16, 2019#7328

Our driver found someone slumped over dead in their car from an apparent heroin overdose yesterday - literally in the middle of the 44 on-ramp from Grand (people had to actively go around this car). He broke down in tears when he got back to the lab, mainly due to personal experiences, the fact that he was the only person that actually cared enough to stop and check on the person and call 911, and the fact that there was a car seat in the back of the car. Humans infuriate me sometimes. 

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PostJul 26, 2019#7329

Yeesh. 

I move from Kansas City to Tower Grove South tomorrow. That's not cool. 

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PostJul 26, 2019#7330

Yeah... I mean its not the best idea to be in the park after sundown just yet... The best time to run is in the morning - along with the rest of the neighborhood. Crime is much much better than it used to be around the park.

What street are you moving to - I'm on Connecticut. ✌

PostJul 26, 2019#7331

Victim blaming is saying "she shouldn't have been" but I probably still should have clarified more. ✌ I was just trying to give KC some advice so they weren't worried about moving into the neighborhood. 

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PostJul 26, 2019#7332

BellaVilla wrote:
KansasCitian wrote: Yeesh. 

I move from Kansas City to Tower Grove South tomorrow. That's not cool. 
I was jogging through there about an hour earlier. I've never had any issue, but I'm also 6'5" 250lb. Said it happened around 7:45, which is still an hour before dusk. PD failed to report a description of the perps which is...typical.
I walk my dog in the park late at night and have not had any problems. Don't often see people but have seen women walking their dogs and the occasional runner. More so now than in the winter. 

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PostJul 27, 2019#7333

BellaVilla wrote:Gotccha. It does seem like the situation along Gravois, especially around grand and south, is deteriorating rapidly.
I'd say that area has been pretty rough for a while but isn't exactly getting worse. The white castle at Grand and Gravois is an institution though!

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PostJul 27, 2019#7334

^It's an institution that consistently gets my orders wrong lately.

As to the park, I've walked there at night off and on for years. The only run in I ever had was with a decidedly territorial bird.

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PostJul 28, 2019#7335

Ebsy wrote:
BellaVilla wrote:Gotccha. It does seem like the situation along Gravois, especially around grand and south, is deteriorating rapidly.
I'd say that area has been pretty rough for a while but isn't exactly getting worse.
I agree and think it also should be pointed out there has been quite a bit of investment lately in the area around Gravois and in "the wedge."

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PostJul 28, 2019#7336

Connecticut as well, here. I use the park every single day and have never had anything remotely close to an issue (male, though). I was walking my dog about a half hour before that incident and didn't notice anything out of the ordinary. A group of 4 young guys together matching that description actually would be out of the ordinary IMO. The park skews FAR towards young professional/families. Must have missed them. Will keep my eyes open though.

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PostJul 30, 2019#7337

Woman found dead in car in Penrose. Sitting at 114 murders for 2019 so far

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PostAug 02, 2019#7338

I heard someone on TV citing a stat called homicide by strangers. Is that a stat? I’d be curious to see that breakdown.


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PostAug 02, 2019#7339

There is a victim/suspect relationship section in the STLMPD homicide report and stranger does appear as one of the categories.  https://www.slmpd.org/images/Homicide_S ... ebsite.pdf

That's the only place I've ever seen with stats pertaining to stranger homicides.

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PostAug 24, 2019#7340

It’s getting more and more difficult to see what the solution to this is. School is just starting and there are two of these in one night?!

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/met ... op-story-2

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PostAug 24, 2019#7341

Until we can honestly and openly discuss the sub-culture of violence within the black community, nothing will change. 

Of course, simply saying that leaves me open to attacks of racism, classism, insensitivity, etc. It's much safer to ignore the elephant in the room (safer for those afraid to speak up, but certainly not for the kids getting killed). 

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PostAug 24, 2019#7342

No one is pretending there isn't a cycle of violence in North City and that it isn't being driven by a number of factors that are pretty hard to disentangle from each other, but okay, we are calling out the "sub-culture of violence", condemning it, etc. What exactly does that change?

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PostAug 25, 2019#7343

Holy sh*t. Yes, implying that black people are inherently violent is in fact very racist. Especially since you've completely bypassed poverty and gone straight to race??? The one and only conversation is that of gun control. The national conversation about guns might be about the relatively rare school shooting and headline mass shooting but that's not what's killing 90 people every day. This is not some STL specific issue. And it's sure as hell not some problem with black culture. 

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PostAug 25, 2019#7344

^ Aprice.  Yes it is a St Louis issue, Yes it is a African American issue just it as much as a national issue on guns as far my two cents.  Especially when you have twelve African American children killed this year that probably came at the hands of an African American pulling the trigger for whatever reason it might be.  

 https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/cri ... -top-story

But put me in the same boat as Framer and discount what is probably on a lot of people's minds.    

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PostAug 25, 2019#7345

dredger wrote: ^ Aprice.  Yes it is a St Louis issue, Yes it is a African American issue just it as much as a national issue on guns as far my two cents.  Especially when you have twelve African American children killed this year that probably came at the hands of an African American pulling the trigger for whatever reason it might be.  

 https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/cri ... -top-story

But put me in the same boat as Framer and discount what is probably on a lot of people's minds.    
But why and when you get into the why it makes white people very uncomfortable. You can start as recently as post WWII discriminatory housing policy

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PostAug 25, 2019#7346

dbInSouthCity wrote:
dredger wrote: ^ Aprice.  Yes it is a St Louis issue, Yes it is a African American issue just it as much as a national issue on guns as far my two cents.  Especially when you have twelve African American children killed this year that probably came at the hands of an African American pulling the trigger for whatever reason it might be.  

 https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/cri ... -top-story

But put me in the same boat as Framer and discount what is probably on a lot of people's minds.    
But why and when you get into the why it makes white people very uncomfortable.   You can start as recently as post WWII discriminatory housing policy
Concentrated poverty is the result of policies created starting in 1949.  Many decisions made post-WW2 stacked the deck against African-American upward movement.  De-industrialization job loss set the table for a crime explosion.  Hustle became the necessary skill for survival.  The street mentality found in urban areas today are the by-product.  Fix the job issue or nothing changes.  Criminal histories must become less of a burden when seeking gainful employment.  We have to start there.  Paul McKee actually has some decent ideas on how to bring living wage jobs back to this area.  The NGA sure won't help in that regard.  We need warehousing and light industrial to re-emerge in North City.  Biggest opportunity for employment?  Trades.  We have a tremendous shortage of skilled laborers.  How do we reach young men to give them the tools to succeed?  Cross that bridge immediately for results.      

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PostAug 25, 2019#7347

Meanwhile,  another four murders in the City yesterday, including 3 in Downtown West:

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/met ... e-trending

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PostAug 25, 2019#7348

The Downtown West murders are obviously personally motivated, seems like a whole family was killed.

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PostAug 25, 2019#7349

^Including a 10 year old girl. 

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/cri ... 11197968c6


Also, a 15 year old boy was shot and killed Sunday in Carondelet:

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/cri ... 99c83.html

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PostAug 25, 2019#7350

Ebsy wrote: The Downtown West murders are obviously personally motivated, seems like a whole family was killed.
According to the leasing office, their cameras picked up the suspects entering the building with the victims and leaving few hours later. Like 90% of homicides here, these aren’t random.

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