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Seven shooting in 12 hours yesterday.
https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/crime/police-investigating-7-shootings-within-12-hours-days-after-chief-hayden-addresses-gun-violence-on-twitter/63-934167b6-8972-4287-9a53-ceb6616e6c68

With the expected heat and humidity the weekend homicide over/under stands at 3.5

Early projected line for the long 4th of July weekend is currently 10.5

Stltoday - Three people shot on Delmar Loop

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/cri ... 3dced.html

Yeesh. 

I move from Kansas City to Tower Grove South tomorrow. That's not cool. 

Yeah... I mean its not the best idea to be in the park after sundown just yet... The best time to run is in the morning - along with the rest of the neighborhood. Crime is much much better than it used to be around the park.

What street are you moving to - I'm on Connecticut. ✌

BellaVilla wrote:

KansasCitian wrote: Yeesh. 

I move from Kansas City to Tower Grove South tomorrow. That's not cool. 

I was jogging through there about an hour earlier. I've never had any issue, but I'm also 6'5" 250lb. Said it happened around 7:45, which is still an hour before dusk. PD failed to report a description of the perps which is...typical.

I walk my dog in the park late at night and have not had any problems. Don't often see people but have seen women walking their dogs and the occasional runner. More so now than in the winter. 

BellaVilla wrote:Gotccha. It does seem like the situation along Gravois, especially around grand and south, is deteriorating rapidly.

I'd say that area has been pretty rough for a while but isn't exactly getting worse. The white castle at Grand and Gravois is an institution though!

^It's an institution that consistently gets my orders wrong lately.

As to the park, I've walked there at night off and on for years. The only run in I ever had was with a decidedly territorial bird.

Ebsy wrote:

BellaVilla wrote:Gotccha. It does seem like the situation along Gravois, especially around grand and south, is deteriorating rapidly.

I'd say that area has been pretty rough for a while but isn't exactly getting worse.

I agree and think it also should be pointed out there has been quite a bit of investment lately in the area around Gravois and in "the wedge."

Connecticut as well, here. I use the park every single day and have never had anything remotely close to an issue (male, though). I was walking my dog about a half hour before that incident and didn't notice anything out of the ordinary. A group of 4 young guys together matching that description actually would be out of the ordinary IMO. The park skews FAR towards young professional/families. Must have missed them. Will keep my eyes open though.

Woman found dead in car in Penrose. Sitting at 114 murders for 2019 so far

I heard someone on TV citing a stat called homicide by strangers. Is that a stat? I’d be curious to see that breakdown.


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There is a victim/suspect relationship section in the STLMPD homicide report and stranger does appear as one of the categories.  https://www.slmpd.org/images/Homicide_S ... ebsite.pdf

That's the only place I've ever seen with stats pertaining to stranger homicides.

It’s getting more and more difficult to see what the solution to this is. School is just starting and there are two of these in one night?!

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/met ... op-story-2

Until we can honestly and openly discuss the sub-culture of violence within the black community, nothing will change. 

Of course, simply saying that leaves me open to attacks of racism, classism, insensitivity, etc. It's much safer to ignore the elephant in the room (safer for those afraid to speak up, but certainly not for the kids getting killed). 

No one is pretending there isn't a cycle of violence in North City and that it isn't being driven by a number of factors that are pretty hard to disentangle from each other, but okay, we are calling out the "sub-culture of violence", condemning it, etc. What exactly does that change?

Holy sh*t. Yes, implying that black people are inherently violent is in fact very racist. Especially since you've completely bypassed poverty and gone straight to race??? The one and only conversation is that of gun control. The national conversation about guns might be about the relatively rare school shooting and headline mass shooting but that's not what's killing 90 people every day. This is not some STL specific issue. And it's sure as hell not some problem with black culture. 

^ Aprice.  Yes it is a St Louis issue, Yes it is a African American issue just it as much as a national issue on guns as far my two cents.  Especially when you have twelve African American children killed this year that probably came at the hands of an African American pulling the trigger for whatever reason it might be.  

 https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/cri ... -top-story

But put me in the same boat as Framer and discount what is probably on a lot of people's minds.    

dredger wrote: ^ Aprice.  Yes it is a St Louis issue, Yes it is a African American issue just it as much as a national issue on guns as far my two cents.  Especially when you have twelve African American children killed this year that probably came at the hands of an African American pulling the trigger for whatever reason it might be.  

 https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/cri ... -top-story

But put me in the same boat as Framer and discount what is probably on a lot of people's minds.    

But why and when you get into the why it makes white people very uncomfortable. You can start as recently as post WWII discriminatory housing policy

dbInSouthCity wrote:

dredger wrote: ^ Aprice.  Yes it is a St Louis issue, Yes it is a African American issue just it as much as a national issue on guns as far my two cents.  Especially when you have twelve African American children killed this year that probably came at the hands of an African American pulling the trigger for whatever reason it might be.  

 https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/cri ... -top-story

But put me in the same boat as Framer and discount what is probably on a lot of people's minds.    

But why and when you get into the why it makes white people very uncomfortable.   You can start as recently as post WWII discriminatory housing policy

Concentrated poverty is the result of policies created starting in 1949.  Many decisions made post-WW2 stacked the deck against African-American upward movement.  De-industrialization job loss set the table for a crime explosion.  Hustle became the necessary skill for survival.  The street mentality found in urban areas today are the by-product.  Fix the job issue or nothing changes.  Criminal histories must become less of a burden when seeking gainful employment.  We have to start there.  Paul McKee actually has some decent ideas on how to bring living wage jobs back to this area.  The NGA sure won't help in that regard.  We need warehousing and light industrial to re-emerge in North City.  Biggest opportunity for employment?  Trades.  We have a tremendous shortage of skilled laborers.  How do we reach young men to give them the tools to succeed?  Cross that bridge immediately for results.      

Meanwhile,  another four murders in the City yesterday, including 3 in Downtown West:

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/met ... e-trending

The Downtown West murders are obviously personally motivated, seems like a whole family was killed.

^Including a 10 year old girl. 

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/cri ... 11197968c6


Also, a 15 year old boy was shot and killed Sunday in Carondelet:

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/cri ... 99c83.html

Ebsy wrote: The Downtown West murders are obviously personally motivated, seems like a whole family was killed.

According to the leasing office, their cameras picked up the suspects entering the building with the victims and leaving few hours later. Like 90% of homicides here, these aren’t random.