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PostAug 24, 2017#3651

I'm a bit excited about WOW coming to STL, but mostly for the potential of European tourists coming to visit St. Louis. When I lived in Europe, my friends and I often booked vacations on budget airlines to explore cities we'd never visited.

Hopefully St. Louis can market itself in the cities that connect to STL via KEF. (Amsterdam, Paris, Copenhagen, Dublin, Frankfurt, London and Berlin).
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PostAug 24, 2017#3652

So there is a "rumor" on aviation message boards that AA is supposedly going to announce a flight to London for a city that doesn't currently have a London flight. That would be an interesting turn if we got AA instead of BA.

I want to make sure "rumor" is in quotes because I don't put much, if any, stock in message board rumors but I just thought it was an interesting notion. Not sure if AA or BA is better since they are basically the same for connection reasons once you get there.

I also have no clue of their aircraft availability. Some of the AA people on here (Greg?) might have a better idea.


A side note. I have come around on this wow flight. I think it's good and it will add to flyers on a budget that normally would have not gone to Europe or driven to Chicago for a cheaper flight to Europe. Maybe those Fly out of here now.
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PostAug 24, 2017#3653

Also this flight is likely going to pull in those driving here from other places to catch it too. Also the seats available on average a day is only about 40% of total Europe demand based on when the 300/day number was determined. That percentage will most certainly be quite a bit lower due to stimulated demand. Just seems that their strategy is to pull travellers from beyond the metro area as well.

Also what i heard on radio from Airport Director, it seems this flight is well in purpose is designed to stimulate demand to get others to jump in. Also guessing as well some of the incentives might be advertising in Europe to stimulate demand from that end. Since here could be a good place for budget conscious travelers there in part due to a large number of free attractions. Also this plan seems to show working on international destinations is becoming more the focus of the airport at this point, mainly due to lack of noticable domestic holes and Southwest getting to critical mass to the point they will be able to fill those in.
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PostAug 24, 2017#3654

This is a bid out to do maintenance on Elevators, Escalators and Power Walks. It lists 2 power walks. D-11 and D-12. Which makes me think they are both in E (old D). But I am only aware of one in use. They aren't running the second one past E40 are they? I know that is open because of the bathrooms but I figured it wasn't turned on. Maybe someone on here knows. Unless it refers to the area they are going to open in C?

https://www.flystl.com/uploads/bid-docu ... -S-F-B.pdf
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PostAug 24, 2017#3655

shadrach wrote: ↑
Aug 23, 2017
 Feeling a tad let down but pleasantly surprised.
I mean, imagine if they added Detroit, Cincy and Cleveland only (as things have gone in the past.)
Wow, would that have burnt my biscuits and sent me on a downward spiral of "what will it take...?!"

Still hoping for BA (oder Lufthansa) soon as Matguy teases.
Considering the source I wouldn't hold your breath. St. Louis acts like St. Louis and did here again. A total letdown and it can't be portrayed any other way.
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PostAug 24, 2017#3656

bds520 wrote: ↑
Aug 24, 2017
shadrach wrote: ↑
Aug 23, 2017
 Feeling a tad let down but pleasantly surprised.
I mean, imagine if they added Detroit, Cincy and Cleveland only (as things have gone in the past.)
Wow, would that have burnt my biscuits and sent me on a downward spiral of "what will it take...?!"

Still hoping for BA (oder Lufthansa) soon as Matguy teases.
Considering the source I wouldn't hold your breath. St. Louis acts like St. Louis and did here again. A total letdown and it can't be portrayed any other way.
What if British Airway announced 1st and then we received this announcement? It's all about timing and context. It's only a letdown if British Airways or Lufthansa doesn't announce.

Regardless it is service we didn't have and that's a plus.
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PostAug 24, 2017#3657

jshank83 wrote: ↑
Aug 24, 2017
 So there is a "rumor" on aviation message boards that AA is supposedly going to announce a flight to London for a city that doesn't currently have a London flight. [...] Some of the AA people on here (Greg?) might have a better idea.
Okay, here's what I've dug up.

Jshank83 quoted a post on airliners.net which quoted a post of Flyertalk.com.

The good news - the source of the Flyertalk post is someone who is usually very accurate when posting about AA.
The bad news -- the person on airliners.net misquoted the original post.

Here is the original post:
For those who aren't adverse to connecting at LHR getting to Europe (and I certainly am, when given any choice,) there will soon be at least one more option to get to LHR from the U.S. on AA so that will, to a small degree, even further give folks option to "overfly JFK" (as it were) where they might connect at JFK now or have historically when flying AA.
Two important things to note:

1) The original quote does not say anything the flight being from a city without service to London.
2) It talks about "overflying JFK" instead of connecting there - leading me to believe it would be from a city that currently has service from JFK -- which we do not.

The rumor that I've heard is that PHX will be getting an AA flight (in addition to or instead of the BA flight).

Having said that, the original poster said to me it will be "2 new routes, one most likely from PHX". No clue on what the second one would be

However, the original posted liked a subsequent comment that someone made referencing the AA's internationally configured 757s -- which don't have range to fly to STL.

Based on the hints, my guess would be one of PIT, CMH or CLE.
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PostAug 24, 2017#3658

robertn42 wrote: ↑
Aug 24, 2017
What if British Airway announced 1st and then we received this announcement? It's all about timing and context. It's only a letdown if British Airways or Lufthansa doesn't announce.

Regardless it is service we didn't have and that's a plus.
I 100% agree with this. If we end up getting BA or other big airline in the next year then oh well. I wanted the BA type first but if they come in reverse it doesn't matter in the whole scheme of things.

PostAug 24, 2017#3659

This is fully updated now. I also added totals at the bottom for the entire airport per day/week. Air Choice One could be a tad off but I think I got it right.

jshank83 wrote: ↑
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 Soo I wasted a bunch of time tonight making this spreadsheet. I will admit I stole the format from someone else doing a different airport.

Everything should be the updated schedule for every airline, by day, starting Monday, August 21st. You can easily see how many flights are run a day/week by each airline as a whole and to each destination out of STL.

A couple notes:

I didn't put in Air Choice One, Cape Air, or Apple Vacation Charters yet.
I added Allegiant out of Belleville just because I was curious.
My Southwest numbers weren't syncing up to what I thought they should be. Digging into it I noticed San Diego was supposed to get cut to 1x daily starting this week, per their schedule release for August a couple months ago, but Southwest left it at 2x daily (3 Saturday).
If a route is out of season or has been announced but not started, I left it on the list with no data and listed when it would come back, if I knew.
This is by flights. I didn't take the time to break it down by plane type.
I will update this every month or so. It will probably somewhat coincide with Southwest schedule changes since they have a pretty set pattern.

Anyways, I hope you all find it interesting also.



Weekly flights by airline as of this upcoming Monday

Southwest 700
American 279
Delta 188
United 154
Frontier 35
Alaska 21
Air Canada 19
Allegiant 16
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PostAug 25, 2017#3660

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Wed Aug 23, 2017 4:40 pm
Feeling a tad let down but pleasantly surprised.
I mean, imagine if they added Detroit, Cincy and Cleveland only (as things have gone in the past.)
Wow, would that have burnt my biscuits and sent me on a downward spiral of "what will it take...?!"

Still hoping for BA (oder Lufthansa) soon as Matguy teases.
Considering the source I wouldn't hold your breath. St. Louis acts like St. Louis and did here again. A total letdown and it can't be portrayed any other way
Pardon me? "Considering the source" ... do I know you? I stand by my posts and my resources in the travel business I have been in for 23 years. In addition, I have never posted something on these boards that I have had to retract, apologize or have not come to fruition. Sure, things change, but in all the years I have posted online here, STL Rising and NextSTL... have I never been a "consider the source" for a lack of information or "rumor" junkie. Please explain your comment otherwise.
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PostAug 26, 2017#3661

Sacramento Airport's twitter said they have new route announcements on Monday. This is also the Southwest extension day. Might be an option for us? I wouldn't say I feel strongly it will be us but I think it's an option.
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PostAug 26, 2017#3662

jshank83 wrote: ↑
Aug 26, 2017
 Sacramento Airport's twitter said they have new route announcements on Monday. This is also the Southwest extension day. Might be an option for us? I wouldn't say I feel strongly it will be us but I think it's an option.
It could if what they are adding out there is a domestic destination. Especially since that is the largest unserved route from here based on traffic. And with them getting more gates you'd expect some new things and/or added frequency. Just have to see monday morning since its interesting what pops up, especially since you can get some nice deal on new routes.
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PostAug 26, 2017#3663

Any rumblings for Mexico City or Guadalajara on either AeroMexico or Volaris (more likely for either destination, IMO) in the near future?
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PostAug 26, 2017#3664

imperialmog wrote: ↑
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 Sacramento Airport's twitter said they have new route announcements on Monday.
Especially since that is the largest unserved route from here based on traffic.
Are you talking most traffic from STL? Or most passengers in general?

If you are talking busiest airport, there are several ahead of SMF - JFK, HNL, SNA & SJC.

PostAug 26, 2017#3665

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 Any rumblings for Mexico City or Guadalajara on either AeroMexico or Volaris (more likely for either destination, IMO) in the near future?
I can't envision service to Guadalajara in the next 20 years.
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PostAug 26, 2017#3666

gregl wrote: ↑
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Trololzilla wrote: ↑
Aug 26, 2017
 Any rumblings for Mexico City or Guadalajara on either AeroMexico or Volaris (more likely for either destination, IMO) in the near future?
I can't envision service to Guadalajara in the next 20 years.
Neither can I but I figured I'd mention it with Volaris.
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PostAug 26, 2017#3667

gregl wrote: ↑
Aug 26, 2017
imperialmog wrote: ↑
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 Sacramento Airport's twitter said they have new route announcements on Monday.
Especially since that is the largest unserved route from here based on traffic.
Are you talking most traffic from STL? Or most passengers in general?

If you are talking busiest airport, there are several ahead of SMF - JFK, HNL, SNA & SJC.
In terms of most traffic from here as destination. There was a table earlier showing local traffic numbers from each airport. (some may be combined if thers more than one airport in metro area)
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PostAug 27, 2017#3668

I know VOLARIS keeps getting mentioned here with SOUTHWEST... But the two airlines ended their partnership and codeshares in 2013.
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PostAug 27, 2017#3669

matguy70 wrote: ↑
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 I know VOLARIS keeps getting mentioned here with SOUTHWEST... But the two airlines ended their partnership and codeshares in 2013.
^Considering the source...
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PostAug 27, 2017#3670

Southwest had an arrival at E36 today. First time I have seen that. They still aren't using E33 much if at all but are using E29. Not sure what is going on there.
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PostAug 28, 2017#3671

matguy70 wrote: ↑
Aug 27, 2017
 I know VOLARIS keeps getting mentioned here with SOUTHWEST... But the two airlines ended their partnership and codeshares in 2013.
I'd honestly forgotten they even had a codeshare. I was thinking more along the lines of: Mexico City seems to be a fairly likely destination from here some time in the future, and that if it would be done by a Mexican airline, then Volaris seems to be the most likely.
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PostAug 28, 2017#3672

Looks like Southwest will start non-stop to both Sacramento and San Jose next spring. Noticed both of those plus Oakland will have the same departure time while SFO seems to have shifted into the morning. (possibly to align with the banks)

Don't see any other changes here, this update seems very California heavy which is likely related to their fight with Alaska over the market.

Interesting note: I think this will be the first time that all three Bay Area airports have been served non-stop from here ever. That's something that didn't exist in the TWA days so its interesting to note.
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PostAug 28, 2017#3673

imperialmog wrote: ↑
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 Looks like Southwest will start non-stop to both Sacramento and San Jose next spring. Noticed both of those plus Oakland will have the same departure time while SFO seems to have shifted into the morning. (possibly to align with the banks)

Don't see any other changes here, this update seems very California heavy which is likely related to their fight with Alaska over the market.

Interesting note: I think this will be the first time that all three Bay Area airports have been served non-stop from here ever. That's something that didn't exist in the TWA days so its interesting to note.
Cancun goes back to Saturday only.
PBI goes away, but I figured it would only stick around for spring training.

I didn't look too close at frequency. PHX, LIT, DSM, CLE, MKE, BNA, BOS, all the west coast (besides the adds) are unchanged though.
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PostAug 28, 2017#3674

Where do you go to see these Southwest flight adds/subtractions/times?
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PostAug 28, 2017#3675

survivor147 wrote: ↑
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 Where do you go to see these Southwest flight adds/subtractions/times?
For new adds you can just look at the route map and click nonstop, then see which ones are new. for frequencies I just went to book flights and typed in different city pairs to see what came up.

They usually put out a spreadsheet of the updates later in the day though.
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