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PostAug 14, 2017#3576

jshank83 wrote:My other half was at a luncheon on Friday for people in the area getting some kind of awards.

Anyways, one of the ladies that got an award was introduced as having her new primary focus being to secure a flight to Europe within the next 12 months. Apparently, there was a large cheer when this was announced. I think she works for the regional port authority or something like that. She doesn't work for the airport. I figured if she is getting recognized for whatever she did in the past year that she must be a go getter. Hopefully that is a good sign for this next task.
Sheila Sweeney?


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PostAug 14, 2017#3577

jshank83 wrote:
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My other half was at a luncheon on Friday for people in the area getting some kind of awards.

Anyways, one of the ladies that got an award was introduced as having her new primary focus being to secure a flight to Europe within the next 12 months. Apparently, there was a large cheer when this was announced. I think she works for the regional port authority or something like that. She doesn't work for the airport. I figured if she is getting recognized for whatever she did in the past year that she must be a go getter. Hopefully that is a good sign for this next task.
Intresting is how many forces seem to very recently focus on that. Also with the port authority, could be as well to try to secure it through the cargo route, in terms of getting some cargo orders and guarantees lined up since that can really push the needle on routes.

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PostAug 14, 2017#3578

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jshank83 wrote:My other half was at a luncheon on Friday for people in the area getting some kind of awards.

Anyways, one of the ladies that got an award was introduced as having her new primary focus being to secure a flight to Europe within the next 12 months. Apparently, there was a large cheer when this was announced. I think she works for the regional port authority or something like that. She doesn't work for the airport. I figured if she is getting recognized for whatever she did in the past year that she must be a go getter. Hopefully that is a good sign for this next task.
Sheila Sweeney?


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I saw her name going back through news reports from a few months ago. My fiancé currently is at an event so I haven't gotten a response yet from when I asked her if it was that name.


EDIT: it was this event. https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... ntial.html

It was Sheila. I got a response.

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PostAug 14, 2017#3579

jshank83 wrote:
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jshank83 wrote:My other half was at a luncheon on Friday for people in the area getting some kind of awards.

Anyways, one of the ladies that got an award was introduced as having her new primary focus being to secure a flight to Europe within the next 12 months. Apparently, there was a large cheer when this was announced. I think she works for the regional port authority or something like that. She doesn't work for the airport. I figured if she is getting recognized for whatever she did in the past year that she must be a go getter. Hopefully that is a good sign for this next task.
Sheila Sweeney?


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I saw her name going back through news reports from a few months ago. My fiancé currently is at an event so I haven't gotten a response yet from when I asked her if it was that name.


EDIT: it was this event. https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... ntial.html

It was Sheila. I got a response.
Awesome. Sheila is an amazing leader and I am completely comfortable with her pursuing service expansions.

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PostAug 14, 2017#3580

The article in the BJ says she was on the board of the Port Authority for 22 yrs and current CEO of the STL Economic Partnership. She was a leader in founding 39North, the Ag Tech park, Centene Expansion, and Pfizer.

No mention of a Europe flight but she does serve on the board of the Midwest Cargo Hub.

https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... heila.html


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moorlander wrote:The article in the BJ says she was on the board of the Port Authority for 22 yrs and current CEO of the STL Economic Partnership. She was a leader in founding 39North, the Ag Tech park, Centene Expansion, and Pfizer.

No mention of a Europe flight but she does serve on the board of the Midwest Cargo Hub.

https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... heila.html
To be frank, I would really really like to see Sheila run for office. She's truly an unsung hero of our region.


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PostAug 16, 2017#3582

Random Observation. Southwest has a departure out of E29 today. It usually goes out of a different gate so I am assuming there was a delay that pushed it to an overflow gate. I just found it interesting they flew out of E29 instead of E36. They haven't seem to have used E36 yet (from what I can tell) which I figure is because that new area doesn't have a ton of room, but in my mind I still that they would use it before going back to E29.

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PostAug 16, 2017#3583

jshank83 wrote:
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Random Observation. Southwest has a departure out of E29 today. It usually goes out of a different gate so I am assuming there was a delay that pushed it to an overflow gate. I just found it interesting they flew out of E29 instead of E36. They haven't seem to have used E36 yet (from what I can tell) which I figure is because that new area doesn't have a ton of room, but in my mind I still that they would use it before going back to E29.
Interesting. Not sure what their priority is on the gates for overflow situations due to things like weather. Maybe some of the new gates don't have all the equipment in place there or things below wing.

Will be curious to see how traffic is going in the next few days with the eclipse. One to see if any unique frequency adds and/or upguages by anyone and if there are any odd charters showing up from it. And the traffic numbers for the month will be telling too, since it might have a larger percentage gain than June and July. (those could be suppressed by this as well, but also means next August will be suppressed in percentage gains)

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PostAug 16, 2017#3584

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We have connecting traffic now. It's growing fast. But how do you get folks from Southwest to something that goes TransAt. (Or better yet TransPac.
Exactly. That's the downside to Southwest. It's great for St. Louisans to have so many direct destinations, but Southwest is not a good source of connecting passengers when you are trying to attract a TATL or TPAC flight. They don't codeshare with anyone. If more of STL's passenger volume was with a legacy carrier (United/Delta/American) I think STL would be much more attractive for international carriers.
Folks want to go to castle country. But come on guys. Asia is a LOT more fun than Europe. Trust me on this. Much cooler.
Haha, I agree! I'd love to see STL to become a hub for flights to Asia. There are a ton of Asian airlines in the SkyTeam alliance so they could codeshare with Delta (which gets back to my point above). This also coincides with my desire to see STL turn into a big tech hub. Currently I'm not sure how much demand there is for that.

I know I'm starting to run off on barely related tangents, but I also wonder how the 787 and A350 impact the routes that Asian airlines start to adopt. We have already seen that it's changing the landscape for US carriers going to Asia. We are now able to go direct on the "long and thin" TPAC routes. For example, the new destinations that United is starting to serve in China. They have been able to de-hub NRT and start going direct to cities like Xi'an and Chendgu. So will the reverse of this also become true? Will we see more Asian carrier start to hit the second tier of cities in the US? And if so, how can STL position itself to be one of those cities?

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PostAug 17, 2017#3585

In 1999 TWA was to add Tokyo to STL. Here's the article:
https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/sto ... tory6.html

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I don't think we will ever see Asia flights unless something drastic changes.

PIT is supposedly getting charters from Asia but it has already been pushed back and I really don't see how it is going to work.

I really wish Southwest would find a codeshare partner for flights to Europe. That would help us out a lot.

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I think it would also be fair to assert that since STL currently lacks service to Europe (where there is high demand), I would say getting service to any Asian destination is as pertinent for the airport as landing service to Sioux Falls, SD.


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PostAug 17, 2017#3588

Chalupas54 wrote: I think it would also be fair to assert that since STL currently lacks service to Europe (where there is high demand), I would say getting service to any Asian destination is as pertinent for the airport as landing service to Sioux Falls, SD.


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I think you missed the joking tone I was attempting to insert. (Thus the castle country bit, among other things.) Are we likely to land a flight to Asia? No, not remotely. I suppose part of the joke is that I never fly nonstop anyway, and so it's all theoretical to me. Even in the TWA days I never did. I'm personally far more interested in affordable service than direct service. Direct flights tend to be more expensive, and nonstop more expensive than that. And I really like seeing new places and I'm rarely in a hurry, so I really only fly to places I can't drive, no matter how hard I try. And I really really like layovers. Which . . . is odd. I confess. That said, if slightly more expensive tickets are the price of making Lambert busy again (and they almost certainly are, at least here) then I'm willing to accept that small personal hit for the regional good.

But for one brief glowing moment of honesty . . . do you really believe that there's more economic potential in Europe than Asia? I just don't buy it. Europe is the past. The still wealthy past, to be sure. The cool past. The historic past. There's quite a lot to do there. I'm not knocking it. I wouldn't wish to sever economic ties. There is (and will be for the forseeable future) a lot of money and business there. But it's not where the growth is. Asia is the present. The increasingly wealthy present. Europe sees three percent growth. China ten. Vietnam twenty. Christ only knows what Myanmar's about to see.That will increasingly drive business traffic into Asia and tourist traffic out. Of course, the money over there is still quite new, so it's only just beginning, which is why all the locals want to go to castle country. But I'm telling you, you're missing the boat. The future is an issue for a different thread, as it doesn't really apply to air traffic anyway. Places presently poor need shipping lines and terminals far more than airlines. But Asia is big. Really big. In every conceivable sense of that. And there's enough money there that air traffic is just about ready to hit the roof.

Also note: I have friends and family in Europe. I've been to Europe. I have friends and family in Asia. I've been to Asia. Many times. So . . . I'm biased. ;-) That's why this is supposed to be funny. It's a joke. Don't take it too seriously. I really do hope we land the flight to Europe, even though I will myself probably never once take a nonstop flight to Europe. Or Asia. I fly through Chicago and like it. But I'll cheer for you to get your direct flight . . . even as I secretly suspect, nay even hope, that the reason we get it is an increased demand that drives up all costs. Including mine.

And no, we're not getting a flight to Asia. The traffic isn't there yet. Remember. That's a joke. Seriously. Maybe it won't always be. But it is right now. The tourists (bless their filthy hearts) want to go to Europe. And maybe there's enough business traffic again to justify it. I hope so. And Asian business hasn't caught up . . . yet. Nor have other people's tourists generally figured out where we are. We need to build our cool for that before we build a new terminal. I can only guess at the answer. Maybe music. Maybe food. Beaches help. Or mountains. So . . . uh, yeah, let's go with the music. We need to work on the music. Who wants to commission a symphony today? Wait . . . I did say cool, didn't I? Well, crap. ;-)

. . . (Alternately one of you fine folks could invent the next great whizzbang and actually stay here with your company. That would also possibly work. But if you want a REALLY big market for consumer grade whizzbangs, look west . . . to Asia.)

*ducks*

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PostAug 17, 2017#3589

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Chalupas54 wrote: I think it would also be fair to assert that since STL currently lacks service to Europe (where there is high demand), I would say getting service to any Asian destination is as pertinent for the airport as landing service to Sioux Falls, SD.


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I think you missed the joking tone I was attempting to insert. (Thus the castle country bit, among other things.) Are we likely to land a flight to Asia? No, not remotely.
My and I am guessing Chalupa's Asian comments weren't to your comments. They were to the Asia Hub comment by someone else. Just to be clear :-)

Also, I guess although I see Asia airline travel expanding and I think your business points are probably true, I think the reason Europe does so much better is that is is much closer and it isn't packed with people when you visit like (at least in my mind) Asia is. I have lots of places I want to go in Europe and really none in Asia. Mainly because of the political climate over there. You got one crazy guy threatening to launch nukes and you have China/Russia that I never know when they will get a little crazy (or the USA does something to make them crazy). I also think people think of Europe as more first world than Asia. That probably isn't true but when I picture Asia I picture just a mass of people in dirty polluted towns (Japan excluded). Europe is like you said, castles and rolling green hills with picturesque landscape. For that reason I think there will always be tourist traffic to Europe and there will be enough business travel around to support it. With how far it is to Asia and lack of demand from smaller cities, I just am not sure it will ever happen. But I think your points are good ones.

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PostAug 17, 2017#3590

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In 1999 TWA was to add Tokyo to STL. Here's the article:
https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/sto ... tory6.html
If that route ever started, it would have been a massive flop -- even without the Karabu agreement.

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matguy70 wrote:
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In 1999 TWA was to add Tokyo to STL. Here's the article:
https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/sto ... tory6.html
So in 1998 we had 30 international flights per week. How many do we have now?

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PostAug 17, 2017#3592

Starting in November we'll have 8. Starting in March there will be 14.

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PostAug 17, 2017#3593

jshank83 wrote:
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I really wish Southwest would find a codeshare partner for flights to Europe. That would help us out a lot.
The problem is that the Southwest pilots' contract has very strong control over any codesharing Southwest would want to do -- they have to sign off on each and every codeshare agreement.

Perhaps a bigger problem is that the airlines that would appear to be a "good fit" to codeshare with Southwest (WOW, Norwegian, etc.) don't codeshare and fly mainly to cities which Southwest doesn't serve (Newburgh, NY, O'Hare, Miami) or have limited operations in (Providence, Hartford, Pittsburgh).

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PostAug 17, 2017#3594

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Starting in November we'll have 8. Starting in March there will be 14.
There are also 19 a week to Toronto now. Plus Vacation express charters (not sure if those count though).

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PostAug 17, 2017#3595

^I was wrong then. So, 20 in november and then 26 in march. All Toronto and Cancun.

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PostAug 17, 2017#3596

Come March 2018, there will be ~38 international flights:
19 to Toronto by Air Canada
14 to Cancun by Frontier and Southwest
~5 to assorted Mexico cities by Apple Vacations

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PostAug 18, 2017#3597

Soo I wasted a bunch of time tonight making this spreadsheet. I will admit I stole the format from someone else doing a different airport.

Everything should be the updated schedule for every airline, by day, starting Monday, August 21st. You can easily see how many flights are run a day/week by each airline as a whole and to each destination out of STL.

A couple notes:

I didn't put in Air Choice One, Cape Air, or Apple Vacation Charters yet.
I added Allegiant out of Belleville just because I was curious.
My Southwest numbers weren't syncing up to what I thought they should be. Digging into it I noticed San Diego was supposed to get cut to 1x daily starting this week, per their schedule release for August a couple months ago, but Southwest left it at 2x daily (3 Saturday).
If a route is out of season or has been announced but not started, I left it on the list with no data and listed when it would come back, if I knew.
This is by flights. I didn't take the time to break it down by plane type.
I will update this every month or so. It will probably somewhat coincide with Southwest schedule changes since they have a pretty set pattern.

Anyways, I hope you all find it interesting also.



Weekly flights by airline as of this upcoming Monday

Southwest 700
American 279
Delta 188
United 154
Frontier 35
Alaska 21
Air Canada 19
Allegiant 16

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jshank83 wrote: Soo I wasted a bunch of time tonight making this spreadsheet. I will admit I stole the format from someone else doing a different airport.
. . .
Very nice! Wow, but I didn't realize Cair and Webber had been wiped clean. Maybe THAT'S who ought to be code-sharing with Southwest. Drag folks in here and hook 'em up with Southwest.

. . . Oh, right. I was trying to give up on fantasy. Sorry.

Very nice spreadsheet. Nice to see the numbers.

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PostAug 21, 2017#3599

Today Southwest isn't using E33 at all and using E29 all day. Strange.


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Random Observation. Southwest has a departure out of E29 today. It usually goes out of a different gate so I am assuming there was a delay that pushed it to an overflow gate. I just found it interesting they flew out of E29 instead of E36. They haven't seem to have used E36 yet (from what I can tell) which I figure is because that new area doesn't have a ton of room, but in my mind I still that they would use it before going back to E29.

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PostAug 22, 2017#3600

Icelandair just announced new service to.... Cleveland!

This is CLE's first trans-atlantic service since Continental ended their flights to London in 2009.

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