I stand corrected. I left TW in late 1998 so it must have been added after that.
https://c1.staticflickr.com/8/7747/1819 ... 6318_b.jpg
https://c1.staticflickr.com/8/7747/1819 ... 6318_b.jpg
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Nice find. Stashing that for future reference. Looks like it was nonstop, even. (Seeing as there are several direct flights that are not listed if I read my schedule correctly, presumably since they had a stop or two.) Most cool website.
The other day a large military jet approached from the east, towards the rarely used runway 29 and almost landed before pulling up and circling back towards the south. Anyone have an idea what that would have been about?
They are just practicing touch and gos, I think. I think it's fairly common for them to use the airport during non peak times for practice.
It looks like Swift Air is taking over all of Xtra Airways routes next year for Apple Vacations. Not sure why. I have never flew either one.
Frontier is staying as the Cancun route (the only one you can book non charter also).
http://www.applevacations.com/flight-sc ... -st_louis/
Frontier is staying as the Cancun route (the only one you can book non charter also).
http://www.applevacations.com/flight-sc ... -st_louis/
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New map has been added to flystl.com for T2. This shows the location of the planned Starbucks Kiosk, the Wingtips Club, and kiosks in the new portion of T2.
http://www.flystl.com/uploads/documents ... p_2017.pdf
http://www.flystl.com/uploads/documents ... p_2017.pdf
They also have a banner up for the wingtips club where it will be located. I was going to take a pic of it the other day but people were standing in front of it but I didn't want to seem too creepy taking their pic. haha.stlouisian133 wrote: ↑Jul 11, 2017New map has been added to flystl.com for T2. This shows the location of the planned Starbucks Kiosk, the Wingtips Club, and kiosks in the new portion of T2.
http://www.flystl.com/uploads/documents ... p_2017.pdf
Looks like the law to let people take alcohol out of bars at the airport passed. Starts next month but liquor licenses have to be redone first.
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt ... 45e84.html
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt ... 45e84.html
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When is the identity of who wins the local concept restaurant announced? Since hopefully that will be ready in place by next spring to get all the amenities in place in the recently opened areas up by then. Otherwise it could get even worse in terms of waiting to get something to eat and drink in Terminal 2 next year, especially if there is new service added by then.
I am curious how crowded the area around the new gates are so far? Since it seems there isn't that much seating there relative to number of gates, size of area, and plane size. It may not be noticeable yet with not too many flights departing or arriving there yet, but it could be an issue. Wonder if its still that narrow if they go down further in the future, since it would otherwise start to be a longer distance to get something to eat at that point if there isn't room for a restaurant. Unless at that point they not use a gate there to convert to store/restaurant space. Since I picture all gates may not be able to be used in D due to design not allowing enough seating for current planes vs what it was built for and width of planes for gate space.
I am curious how crowded the area around the new gates are so far? Since it seems there isn't that much seating there relative to number of gates, size of area, and plane size. It may not be noticeable yet with not too many flights departing or arriving there yet, but it could be an issue. Wonder if its still that narrow if they go down further in the future, since it would otherwise start to be a longer distance to get something to eat at that point if there isn't room for a restaurant. Unless at that point they not use a gate there to convert to store/restaurant space. Since I picture all gates may not be able to be used in D due to design not allowing enough seating for current planes vs what it was built for and width of planes for gate space.
They read bids on July 21st. Not sure how long after that they choose.imperialmog wrote: ↑Jul 12, 2017When is the identity of who wins the local concept restaurant announced? Since hopefully that will be ready in place by next spring to get all the amenities in place in the recently opened areas up by then. Otherwise it could get even worse in terms of waiting to get something to eat and drink in Terminal 2 next year, especially if there is new service added by then.
I am curious how crowded the area around the new gates are so far? Since it seems there isn't that much seating there relative to number of gates, size of area, and plane size. It may not be noticeable yet with not too many flights departing or arriving there yet, but it could be an issue. Wonder if its still that narrow if they go down further in the future, since it would otherwise start to be a longer distance to get something to eat at that point if there isn't room for a restaurant. Unless at that point they not use a gate there to convert to store/restaurant space. Since I picture all gates may not be able to be used in D due to design not allowing enough seating for current planes vs what it was built for and width of planes for gate space.
The below link lists interested parties. I don't know who is still in since this was posted but at the time
Crushed Red
Pi
Bandanas
Companion
Panera
Dinos Deli
llwelyns
HMSHost (who knows who they represent)
and others I don't know what the email stands for.
http://www.flystl.com/uploads/bid-docum ... B-2017.pdf
This one was already discussed but also lists Three Kings Public House
http://www.flystl.com/uploads/bid-docum ... t-2017.pdf
As for seating at the new gates. I went down there once and there were 2 planes being readied to board. (they are only using 2 of the gates at a time it looks like so far). It was crowded but not crazy crowded. There weren't many people standing outside of the seating area. The seats seemed to be pretty full though. I think they could manage with 3 planes at a time. They could add seats along the walls in the walkway. Some people would have to stand but that isn't uncommon anyways. Using all 4 gates at once would be a little much I think. If they staggered boarding times by at least a half hour they might be able to manage but it would still be tight. I am a little surprised they even added E40. Being right next to E38 with no added seating seems weird but I guess that is the hand they are dealt. It may have been mentioned before but could they put in a restaurant between the turn and E34? There is a big area of building there that juts out wider and should have a lot of room. I just don't know what is behind the wall there. Does anyone know?
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jshank83 wrote: ↑Jul 12, 2017They read bids on July 21st. Not sure how long after that they choose.imperialmog wrote: ↑Jul 12, 2017When is the identity of who wins the local concept restaurant announced? Since hopefully that will be ready in place by next spring to get all the amenities in place in the recently opened areas up by then. Otherwise it could get even worse in terms of waiting to get something to eat and drink in Terminal 2 next year, especially if there is new service added by then.
I am curious how crowded the area around the new gates are so far? Since it seems there isn't that much seating there relative to number of gates, size of area, and plane size. It may not be noticeable yet with not too many flights departing or arriving there yet, but it could be an issue. Wonder if its still that narrow if they go down further in the future, since it would otherwise start to be a longer distance to get something to eat at that point if there isn't room for a restaurant. Unless at that point they not use a gate there to convert to store/restaurant space. Since I picture all gates may not be able to be used in D due to design not allowing enough seating for current planes vs what it was built for and width of planes for gate space.
The below link lists interested parties. I don't know who is still in since this was posted but at the time
Crushed Red
Pi
Bandanas
Companion
Panera
Dinos Deli
llwelyns
HMSHost (who knows who they represent)
and others I don't know what the email stands for.
http://www.flystl.com/uploads/bid-docum ... B-2017.pdf
This one was already discussed but also lists Three Kings Public House
http://www.flystl.com/uploads/bid-docum ... t-2017.pdf
As for seating at the new gates. I went down there once and there were 2 planes being readied to board. (they are only using 2 of the gates at a time it looks like so far). It was crowded but not crazy crowded. There weren't many people standing outside of the seating area. The seats seemed to be pretty full though. I think they could manage with 3 planes at a time. They could add seats along the walls in the walkway. Some people would have to stand but that isn't uncommon anyways. Using all 4 gates at once would be a little much I think. If they staggered boarding times by at least a half hour they might be able to manage but it would still be tight. I am a little surprised they even added E40. Being right next to E38 with no added seating seems weird but I guess that is the hand they are dealt. It may have been mentioned before but could they put in a restaurant between the turn and E34? There is a big area of building there that juts out wider and should have a lot of room. I just don't know what is behind the wall there. Does anyone know?
The maps from back when D was fully open are pretty primitive...No maps display the area between the turn and E34 (formally D40 I believe), but this is the closest I could find...
http://web.archive.org/web/200408280530 ... /index.htm
This doesn't show any restaurants or retail in that area. However, It also shows a mythical D42 gate... something I am relatively sure never existed, so who knows what is really back there.
For reference this is the vacant jut out area I am talking about. It seems like you could put a couple food places in here.
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I think that would be a great area for a mini food court; really just two fast food restaurants, one on the west side and one on the east side, with seating in the middle. With another sit down restaurant being added by E33, I think that T2 could use some more fast food options. If Panera doesn't get the contract for the restaurant by E33, I think Panera would fit in well there... and maybe a Sbarro's or a Quiznos? With how busy the food court is right by security, I think this would definitely alleviate congestion.
I have only really been closely paying attention to air service stuff for a little over a year now and some things still seem strange to me. PIT is about to get its 4th nonstop destination in Europe (Paris, Iceland, Frankfurt, Dublin) but also only has 4 nonstop destinations west of Denver (Vegas, LA, SF, PHX). We are 0 Europe and 9 west of Denver. I get it is partly because 757s can make it to Europe for them and not us, plus E175s can make it to the west coast for us and not them, plus our Southwest status. Still just is odd to me.
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May have to do with Pittsburgh has other metro areas close enough to it that it could get transatlantic demand from people driving there since for example Cleveland is less than a 2 hour drive and could get people from there to catch such a flight over connecting somewhere. Also could be that most connecting points from Pittsburgh would be backtracking or involve the NE corridor which is often trouble.
Also note for west coast service from here too is almost all markets have or will have multiple airlines serving it which makes it more of a disparity. One other reason could be that here the focus had been filling the domestic holes first then focus more international, and maybe other places did the reverse. Final reason could just be its much easier to get a 2nd transatlantic flight than a 1st one.
Also note for west coast service from here too is almost all markets have or will have multiple airlines serving it which makes it more of a disparity. One other reason could be that here the focus had been filling the domestic holes first then focus more international, and maybe other places did the reverse. Final reason could just be its much easier to get a 2nd transatlantic flight than a 1st one.
This part seems to be true. Everywhere that gets one lately has been getting a 2nd one fairly shortly afterwards.imperialmog wrote: ↑Jul 13, 2017Final reason could just be its much easier to get a 2nd transatlantic flight than a 1st one.
I'm curious to know if Lambert officials & Norwegian Air have been talking to each other. Norwegian Air seems to have entered the US market on east and west coasts via secondary airports in major metro areas and or Southwest Focus cities. Oakland is a good example where they get both a major metro area but a lot of Southwest flights. However, I don't believe Norwegian Air has put much focus on Midwest.
The other thought, some legitimate proposal/teams coming together on financing & building KCI a new terminal where as you got Lambert and Nashville entertaining privatizing their airports. Curious how it all plays out.
My opinion, Lambert would be much better off taking the annual $6 million payment to city & plowing it into debt reduction, supporting an international direct or two and my wishful thought - connect Terminal 1 concourse A & C with new gates & single security/customs/immigration concourse where B stands now (in other words, make A & C one linear concourse w a respectable customs/immigration space)
The other thought, some legitimate proposal/teams coming together on financing & building KCI a new terminal where as you got Lambert and Nashville entertaining privatizing their airports. Curious how it all plays out.
My opinion, Lambert would be much better off taking the annual $6 million payment to city & plowing it into debt reduction, supporting an international direct or two and my wishful thought - connect Terminal 1 concourse A & C with new gates & single security/customs/immigration concourse where B stands now (in other words, make A & C one linear concourse w a respectable customs/immigration space)
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Water main explosion in concourse A this afternoon. Some significant damage from what I've heard.
I think something important to identify also is that these routes appear to be significantly subsidized. If I'm not mistaken, I believe PIT garners about half of what we get in terms of passenger totals? Not to mention that their airport facility has aged terribly as well...jshank83 wrote: ↑Jul 13, 2017I have only really been closely paying attention to air service stuff for a little over a year now and some things still seem strange to me. PIT is about to get its 4th nonstop destination in Europe (Paris, Iceland, Frankfurt, Dublin) but also only has 4 nonstop destinations west of Denver (Vegas, LA, SF, PHX). We are 0 Europe and 9 west of Denver. I get it is partly because 757s can make it to Europe for them and not us, plus E175s can make it to the west coast for us and not them, plus our Southwest status. Still just is odd to me.
So I was driving by the airport a little bit ago and what happened seemed odd. A plane landed on 30R over the top of me then when I got a little bit up the road there was one landing on 24. Both were southwest planes. I know 24 isn't used much but that's not really what I found odd. I thought it was odd they were using it and 30R at the same time for landings in good weather. Maybe they had a bunch of landings stacked up but I thought 24 was probably only used for strong crosswinds and some military/small plane stuff.
I know other people on here know way more about the airport operations than me so maybe it isn't as odd as I think. It just caught me off guard.
I know other people on here know way more about the airport operations than me so maybe it isn't as odd as I think. It just caught me off guard.
In weather situations like today with scattered severe thunderstorms which will occasionally get in the way of an approach to one of the usual runways, commuter jets (usually) will simply take advantage of the most convenient runway at that time. Nothing particularly special. (perhaps this is the flight you saw land on runway 24?)
It was a southwest plane. I am pretty sure it was this one.mill204 wrote: ↑Jul 14, 2017In weather situations like today with scattered severe thunderstorms which will occasionally get in the way of an approach to one of the usual runways, commuter jets (usually) will simply take advantage of the most convenient runway at that time. Nothing particularly special. (perhaps this is the flight you saw land on runway 24?)
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWA2 ... /KOMA/KSTL
The only reason it threw me off was because another southwest plane landed on a "normal runway" just before it so obviously they were using the normal runways.
But your points are taken. Thanks.
Edit: Now that I look closer there were a bunch of planes that landed on 24 around 6:30. It must have been because of the storms to the east that might have been somewhat in the landing path (even though the airport was dry at the time)
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Seeing on Twitter that there looks to be extraordinarily long lines this morning to get through TSA in Terminal 1. Also came across a complaint that TSA Pre-Check was not open. Wonder what's going on?