Agree with your comments. I thought BNA and BOS was suppose to be 3x all the time starting last month (except the 4x BOS in summer) so I was surprised when they went back down to 2 in January, but I am guessing that was plane related. I wish they would have just done Cancun daily from the start. I am on the first flight down in November but coming back on a Wednesday so it stinks I don't have a nonstop on Southwest back. But that is just me complaining, haha. Hopefully we see more international spots soon.imperialmog wrote: ↑Jul 27, 2017That seems to be what was predicted based on time of year and what they have available to add. West Palm Beach was a correct guess and likely based on Cardinals spring training. (since South Florida travel demand from here tends to skew towards the Gulf Coast) Cancun going daily seemed inevitiable since it helps that the way the flights are timed it can connect to a lot of the smaller central states markets to fill flights. Nashville and Boston are likely what they wanted since the reduction was only for the dead of winter schedule which is either related to that or lack of planes to fly it.
Next release will be interesting since its after the winter/spring break seasonals and the end of plane crunch so regular year round adds would make sense to start then.
I just knew there was a schedule update today. First I checked the nonstop map and saw West Palm Beach was new. Next I just checked destinations (by putting in STL to X in the reservation page to see what popped up) I travel to a lot or had interest in (Cancun, Bay Area, Boston, Nashville). So there may be more updates for places I don't check as often. Southwest usually puts out a spreadsheet of at least new routes later in the day. I'll post it once I see it.
FLL is 5x on Saturday. Not sure if it has been that much before either.
114 daily in March.
https://www.flystl.com/newsroom/stl-new ... ext-spring
Southwest Airlines has released its spring 2018 schedule which includes a major boost in flights for St. Louis Lambert International Airport (STL). The schedule, which begins in March, includes an expansion to daily service from single-day, Saturday service from STL to Cancun (CUN). The CUN service was just announced in May with the weekly non-stop flight scheduled to begin November 11.
“To see an expansion of service before the very first flight shows that ticket sales are strong for Cancun,” said Rhonda Hamm-Niebruegge. “We also know that St. Louis will become a great connection point for other Southwest markets for this new international service to Mexico.”
The March 2018 schedule for Southwest will bring a total of 114 daily departures to 43 destinations from STL. That’s seven flights or frequencies more than this past spring schedule.
In June, Southwest expanded in Terminal 2 with the addition of three new gates – E34, E36 and E38. That comes a year after it opened gates E31 and E33. Southwest now has a capacity to operate 17 gates at STL in Terminal 2.
https://www.flystl.com/newsroom/stl-new ... ext-spring
Southwest Airlines has released its spring 2018 schedule which includes a major boost in flights for St. Louis Lambert International Airport (STL). The schedule, which begins in March, includes an expansion to daily service from single-day, Saturday service from STL to Cancun (CUN). The CUN service was just announced in May with the weekly non-stop flight scheduled to begin November 11.
“To see an expansion of service before the very first flight shows that ticket sales are strong for Cancun,” said Rhonda Hamm-Niebruegge. “We also know that St. Louis will become a great connection point for other Southwest markets for this new international service to Mexico.”
The March 2018 schedule for Southwest will bring a total of 114 daily departures to 43 destinations from STL. That’s seven flights or frequencies more than this past spring schedule.
In June, Southwest expanded in Terminal 2 with the addition of three new gates – E34, E36 and E38. That comes a year after it opened gates E31 and E33. Southwest now has a capacity to operate 17 gates at STL in Terminal 2.
Here is the updated spreadsheet from Southwest. Just has new routes not frequency changes. I was pretty sure PBI was new but this says it is returning. Did it run last year?
https://www.southwestaircommunity.com/h ... ummary.pdf
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Wow! Did not expect that much of a jump. Awesome! 114! WOW.
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Also, Mayor Lydia Krewson says in her 100 Days Report that she believes STL will land a Europe flight in the next 6 months.
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I also was pleasantly surprised it was higher than this years summer numbers already.
Is there a link to her report?
Is there a link to her report?
Chalupas54 wrote: ↑Jul 27, 2017Also, Mayor Lydia Krewson says in her 100 Days Report that she believes STL will land a Europe flight in the next 6 months.
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I found it. Optimistic that they may land. That seems pretty open ended but it at least has a timeline, I guess. They also have had nonstops to Cancun for a long time so it doesn't inspire a lot of confidence that she wasn't aware of that. She is even on the board.Chalupas54 wrote: ↑Jul 27, 2017Also, Mayor Lydia Krewson says in her 100 Days Report that she believes STL will land a Europe flight in the next 6 months.
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Continued to push for international flights at St. Louis Lambert International Airport – and recently were awarded its first nonstop flight to Cancun. We continue to advocate for a nonstop flight to Europe and are optimistic that we may land this in the next 6 to 12 months, due to collaboration with and marketing funding from the St. Louis Economic Development Partnership.
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https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/government/d ... -40-pm.pdf
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Not going to exaggeate, I had long been nervous that Southwest may slash a bunch of routes of STL and move them to Nashville. Thankfully, this recent expansion only moves us up even higher than them.
Once they started adding gates last year I wasn't all that worried. Nashville is about out of room anyways now. They are starting to do some renovations but I am not all the concerned. They also have more competition from Delta moving in their more aggressively. Plus, they already have JetBlue. I think they will be more of a Southeast focus city (ATL also kind of is) picking up CHS, JAX, etc and we be the Midwest/Plains one DSM, ICT, TUL, LIT, etc with Chicago overflow.Chalupas54 wrote: ↑Jul 28, 2017Not going to exaggeate, I had long been nervous that Southwest may slash a bunch of routes of STL and move them to Nashville. Thankfully, this recent expansion only moves us up even higher than them.
Looks like Quincy changed their mind and are going to Skywest/Chicago only also. Again, not a huge loss but wanted to note it.
http://www.whig.com/20170727/aeronautic ... er-airline
http://www.whig.com/20170727/aeronautic ... er-airline
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Also Nashville could be used as an alternative for Baltimore for NE to Florida routes without much detour and better winter weather. Something that here would be too out of the way for. I'm guessing too the operations are rather banked at times like they are here which is not done by them in Atlanta. And likely any added flights needed from SE markets might be to add St. Louis while any adds needed for smaller Midwest/Plains cities is Nashville than say another flight to the nearest focus.jshank83 wrote: ↑Jul 28, 2017Once they started adding gates last year I wasn't all that worried. Nashville is about out of room anyways now. They are starting to do some renovations but I am not all the concerned. They also have more competition from Delta moving in their more aggressively. Plus, they already have JetBlue. I think they will be more of a Southeast focus city (ATL also kind of is) picking up CHS, JAX, etc and we be the Midwest/Plains one DSM, ICT, TUL, LIT, etc with Chicago overflow.Chalupas54 wrote: ↑Jul 28, 2017Not going to exaggeate, I had long been nervous that Southwest may slash a bunch of routes of STL and move them to Nashville. Thankfully, this recent expansion only moves us up even higher than them.
As for competitive pressures, it does seem there Southwest does have some more in Nashville but it does seem here they are getting some from Alaska due to here being the limit of e175 range so both parties moves on the west coast and California in particular could have more impact here. (since there is already nice Pacific Northwest competition now due to this dynamic)
Speaking of Alaska. They announced Wednesday they are looking to add 30 new city pairs (which they call markets) by 2018. For us, I guess SFO/SJC would be about the only logical option left, if we get any. Like you said the E175 could make it. I don't think they would do LAX because of AA on the route already and they have some partner agreements.imperialmog wrote: ↑Jul 28, 2017
As for competitive pressures, it does seem there Southwest does have some more in Nashville but it does seem here they are getting some from Alaska due to here being the limit of e175 range so both parties moves on the west coast and California in particular could have more impact here. (since there is already nice Pacific Northwest competition now due to this dynamic)
https://skift.com/2017/07/27/alaska-air ... i=54680695
jshank83 wrote: ↑Jul 27, 2017114 daily in March.
https://www.flystl.com/newsroom/stl-new ... ext-spring
Southwest Airlines has released its spring 2018 schedule which includes a major boost in flights for St. Louis Lambert International Airport (STL). The schedule, which begins in March, includes an expansion to daily service from single-day, Saturday service from STL to Cancun (CUN). The CUN service was just announced in May with the weekly non-stop flight scheduled to begin November 11.
“To see an expansion of service before the very first flight shows that ticket sales are strong for Cancun,” said Rhonda Hamm-Niebruegge. “We also know that St. Louis will become a great connection point for other Southwest markets for this new international service to Mexico.”
The March 2018 schedule for Southwest will bring a total of 114 daily departures to 43 destinations from STL. That’s seven flights or frequencies more than this past spring schedule.
In June, Southwest expanded in Terminal 2 with the addition of three new gates – E34, E36 and E38. That comes a year after it opened gates E31 and E33. Southwest now has a capacity to operate 17 gates at STL in Terminal 2.
STL is up to 114. I see on Southwest's website they list their top 10 cities by departure. Atlanta is number 10 with 125. Are we number 11? Are there many cities between us and Atlanta?
At the time they made that list March 2017. Oakland was at 120. Nashville was at 95. We were at 104. San Diego was at 100. I know STL/SAN both are at 110 right now. So I think we are 12. I don't think there is anyone else in the area.
This link has everyone as of March 2017 but you have to click on each individual one. I just checked ones I knew we were in the area of.
https://www.swamedia.com/channels/Corpo ... heet#top10
So I just compared Southwest at STL/MDW/BNA.jshank83 wrote: ↑Jul 28, 2017At the time they made that list March 2017. Oakland was at 120. Nashville was at 95. We were at 104. San Diego was at 100. I know STL/SAN both are at 110 right now. So I think we are 12. I don't think there is anyone else in the area.
This link has everyone as of March 2017 but you have to click on each individual one. I just checked ones I knew we were in the area of.
https://www.swamedia.com/channels/Corpo ... heet#top10
Nashville has 2 destinations not found at Lambert: Charlotte and Jacksonville.
Midway has another 25: Albany, Albuquerque, Birmingham (AL), Buffalo, Cincinnati, Flint, Grand Rapids, Hartford, Indianapolis, Louisville, Manchester (NH), Memphis, Montego Bay, Norfolk, Ontario, Orange County, Pensacola, Pittsburgh, Providence, Punta Cana, Sacramento, Salt Lake City, San Jose (CA), San Juan, Tucson
American flys Charlotte. Delta flys Cincinnati and Salt Lake.
What are the most likely routes that Southwest is to add? Birmingham, Grand Rapids, Indy, Louisville, Memphis, Pittsburgh seem to make the most sense to me.
Southwest has STL-PIT (year round) and STL-Pensacola (seasonal)RuskiSTL wrote: ↑Jul 28, 2017
So I just compared Southwest at STL/MDW/BNA.
Nashville has 2 destinations not found at Lambert: Charlotte and Jacksonville.
Midway has another 25: Albany, Albuquerque, Birmingham (AL), Buffalo, Cincinnati, Flint, Grand Rapids, Hartford, Indianapolis, Louisville, Manchester (NH), Memphis, Montego Bay, Norfolk, Ontario, Orange County, Pensacola, Pittsburgh, Providence, Punta Cana, Sacramento, Salt Lake City, San Jose (CA), San Juan, Tucson
American flys Charlotte. Delta flys Cincinnati and Salt Lake.
What are the most likely routes that Southwest is to add? Birmingham, Grand Rapids, Indy, Louisville, Memphis, Pittsburgh seem to make the most sense to me.
We are to the point now where I can't even venture a guess anymore. Orange County we had but it went away when Southwest got a bunch of its capacity taken away there. They cut a bunch of other markets also. Chicago is only seasonal there now. ABQ, Grand Rapids, Louisville, Birmingham we have all had semi recently so I don't know if they would come back this soon or not. The 5 I will throw out are Cincy, Jacksonville, Sac, Hartford, and Norfolk/Richmond as most likely. But that is just a throw away guess. I wouldn't be surprised if they added an international route before those though. Cincy is about the only one I think would happen for sure in the next couple years as they expand out of it.
Any reason one would be more likely between Punta Cana vs San Juan?jshank83 wrote: ↑Jul 28, 2017Southwest has STL-PIT (year round) and STL-Pensacola (seasonal)RuskiSTL wrote: ↑Jul 28, 2017
So I just compared Southwest at STL/MDW/BNA.
Nashville has 2 destinations not found at Lambert: Charlotte and Jacksonville.
Midway has another 25: Albany, Albuquerque, Birmingham (AL), Buffalo, Cincinnati, Flint, Grand Rapids, Hartford, Indianapolis, Louisville, Manchester (NH), Memphis, Montego Bay, Norfolk, Ontario, Orange County, Pensacola, Pittsburgh, Providence, Punta Cana, Sacramento, Salt Lake City, San Jose (CA), San Juan, Tucson
American flys Charlotte. Delta flys Cincinnati and Salt Lake.
What are the most likely routes that Southwest is to add? Birmingham, Grand Rapids, Indy, Louisville, Memphis, Pittsburgh seem to make the most sense to me.
We are to the point now where I can't even venture a guess anymore. Orange County we had but it went away when Southwest got a bunch of its capacity taken away there. They cut a bunch of other markets also. Chicago is only seasonal there now. ABQ, Grand Rapids, Louisville, Birmingham we have all had semi recently so I don't know if they would come back this soon or not. The 5 I will throw out are Cincy, Jacksonville, Sac, Hartford, and Norfolk/Richmond as most likely. But that is just a throw away guess. I wouldn't be surprised if they added an international route before those though. Cincy is about the only one I think would happen for sure in the next couple years as they expand out of it.
FYI - Frontier has loaded their schedules for November onward, but with (I believe) some frequency reductions:
DEN 1x/daily
LAS 1x/daily
MCO 11x/weekly
CUN 1x/daily
RSW 3x/weekly
DEN 1x/daily
LAS 1x/daily
MCO 11x/weekly
CUN 1x/daily
RSW 3x/weekly
TPA is also 4x weekly starting in November. I think it should be about the same as last winter except for TPA subbed for PHX. I don't know how many times RSW ran last year though. It could be down a little.
As much as I really don't have any interest in Spirit Airlines, I wonder if this will end up with them entering the market.
GoJet has entered into a Pilot Pathway Program with Airbus operator Spirit Airlines that will guarantee GoJet pilots a First Officer position at Spirit in as little as two years. GoJet pilots who are accepted into the Pathway Program will be eligible to transition to Spirit after two years of service.
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases ... 96893.html
GoJet has entered into a Pilot Pathway Program with Airbus operator Spirit Airlines that will guarantee GoJet pilots a First Officer position at Spirit in as little as two years. GoJet pilots who are accepted into the Pathway Program will be eligible to transition to Spirit after two years of service.
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases ... 96893.html
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So I was wondering: at what point does the airport consider reopening the entirety of D, at least to allow the terminal connection? It'd seem that if Southwest needed more gates a few years down the line, they'd probably just absorb all the D gates down to D20, which would be roughly half of D, so probably still feasible from T2 only (though quite the walk, even with the people movers). If and when they need D18+, though, is that when they'd pull the *literal* plug and reopen the T1 side of D? If they did that, would they leave the still unused parts of D without a remodel?
Also happened upon the story of the one drunk guy that stole a golf cart in D and then hid in a trash compactor, whereupon he met his unfortunate end after it automatically activated. It wasn't something I'd heard of, and it's quite the interesting read.
Also happened upon the story of the one drunk guy that stole a golf cart in D and then hid in a trash compactor, whereupon he met his unfortunate end after it automatically activated. It wasn't something I'd heard of, and it's quite the interesting read.
It also looks like the local concept restaurant by E33 is back out for bid. They must not have liked the initial bids.
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https://www.upi.com/Archives/1989/04/03 ... 607579200/Trololzilla wrote: Also happened upon the story of the one drunk guy that stole a golf cart in D and then hid in a trash compactor, whereupon he met his unfortunate end after it automatically activated. It wasn't something I'd heard of, and it's quite the interesting read.