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^ I wouldn't discount downtown at all, either, especially if BPV moves forward. Jefferson-Arms would skew younger I think than BPV, but if those two indeed get done things are going to be pretty exciting. I also think places like KC and STL have a lot of upside compared to the coasts where just in general the rediscovery of "city living" is a relatively recent phenomena... moving just a skosh of the suburban population can have a big impact on a place like downtown.

STLrainbow wrote: I also think places like KC and STL have a lot of upside compared to the coasts where just in general the rediscovery of "city living" is a relatively recent phenomena

I agree on this quote. St. Louis and KC's construction in Residential will be higher than the rest of the nation soon because of where we stand in coming out of the 2008 collapse in the market. So as people rediscover Cities as the place where it is fun to live, we will continue to grow with the need for more Residential and soon, Office Space.

I heard somewhere that Streetcar ridership numbers have been way down these last two months. Any reason why?

^ winter. I suspect January and February will continue to drop in the monthly trend before picking back up again in March. And even though ridership has been dropping the past few months it still is performing above projections on a monthly basis.

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Jan 09, 2017

I heard somewhere that Streetcar ridership numbers have been way down these last two months. Any reason why?

from http://kcstreetcar.org/ridership/

Total Ridership for 2016 1,399,153
Total Ridership for December 2016 128,155
Total Ridership for November 2016 135,107
Total Ridership for October 2016 166,412
Total Ridership for September 2016 180,022
Total Ridership for August 2016 204,251
Total Ridership for July 2016 233,683
Total Ridership for June 2016 182,248
Total Ridership for May 2016 169,275

Yep, it got cold finally. Ridership in the last two months has ticked down slightly. December still averaged 4134 rides per day, well above the estimated 2700 per day. I'm sure ridership will rise with the temperature and as the daylight hours increase. Two more vehicles have been ordered as well, so they can run 4 to 5 at a time instead of only 3 (with one backup) during peak times.

Yea those are still impressive numbers during the winter.

^ yup. also, I'm glad that our trolley is opening in Spring (crossing fingers) like KC rather than in fall like Cincy... better chance for getting favorable ridership numbers out the gate.

^ I don't know about increased sales per existing biz, but property owners have been delighted and new biz development is pretty impressive along/near the line.

I'd imagine it works well for tourism. We visited last August and used it numerous times. Visited places all along the route due to it as well

^ I think both KC & Cincy have found that visitors are using it a lot more than expected with higher than projected weekend ridership, etc.

^ Through increased sales and property taxes within the district. Great way to go if the financials work out like they seem to... there's enough extra revenue in the budget to order some more cars and fund a study for a riverfront expansion.

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Jan 12, 2017

How the hell does KC's system sustain itself if it's free? That seems pretty silly to me.

Also, when the streetcar authority was studying the issue they determined that the cost of fare collection and enforcement compared to the revenue it would generate would essentially be a wash and only serve as a barrier to ridership. Smart move, and they claim to have no plans to change it.

The Wyandotte National Burying Ground (Eliza Burton Conley Burial Site) in Kansas City
https://www.doi.gov/pressreleases/inter ... -landmarks

downtown KC continues to march along... this one with no tax incentives:

KC Council approves apartments near Kauffman Center for the Performing Arts



The building would replace an old Faultless Starch industrial structure with a 228-unit apartment building atop a 209-space parking garage,

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/news/politics ... rylink=cpy

I have not been to the KC airport in years, other than it seemed to be placed in no mans land does it need to be replaced?
Among the projects could be a new terminal for the Kansas City airport
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politic ... 92164.html

Another new Rendering showing the Hyatt Convention Center Hotel has been released. The building keeps getting shorter it appears and the bridge is cool looking.

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Feb 05, 2017

Another new Rendering showing the Hyatt Convention Center Hotel has been released. The building keeps getting shorter it appears and the bridge is cool looking.

A close family friend of ours is an underwriter for the contractor for this project. They said this project was originally planned to be the tallest building in Missouri, clocking in a 640+. She says now this project does not appear this project will ever get off the ground.

I think once the Convention Center Hotel gets underway, it will spark development of the twisty tower near the Power and Light District as well as kickstart 3 and 4 Light Towers. Once this happens, Kansas City's Downtown will be on fire with Development


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chriss752 wrote:I think once the Convention Center Hotel gets underway, it will spark development of the twisty tower near the Power and Light District as well as kickstart 3 and 4 Light Towers. Once this happens, Kansas City's Downtown will be on fire with Development


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Unlikely with the latter. Many KC insiders feel the downtown core could be overbuilt. Most growth will continue south of
I-70.


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