http://www.kmox.com/Downtown-loft-resid ... -t/7499381

A coworker lives next to this building and is looking to move out to the county because of this club.
There have been a lot of unreported violence associated with these clubs. He'd like to get involved in this process.

Anyone know of a resident association or better yet, Wash ave resident Earl Westfall.

thanks

Sounds like they're on Kraiberg's sh*t list. They're done.

As far as I know, Lure has been the only problem. Is that true? I've had no issues with any of the other clubs.

Lure was a problem before it was Lure. I forget the other name, but they drew a trash crowd too.

And somewhere in there, it was also named "Lucky's". Whatever the name, though, one thing has remained the same: idiots.

In guessing the other two night clubs that're up for review, I'd give a quick guess that the other two are Solace/Sugar and Europe. Over the last few months, it has become a much larger club scene, not like the old Velvet or Galaxy were. I'd make a guess and say the difference lies in the horrible mixture of popped collars, bling worship, and coke, and with a sizeable gap where common sense should be.

Sitting outside Hair of the Dog a month ago gave me my first impression of Thursday nights at Lure, with the clientele wrapping down the street near our seats on the sidewalk. Included: skin-tight pants on really, really, really fat girls; white t's; jean shorts with the cheeks hanging out; shouting matching; shoving; threats. Some dudes were even giving hand signals. By the end of the night, three different people were passed out on the sidewalk, and a whole lot of others stood around, pointing and laughing.

It's embarrasing. Shut'em down.

Side note: HOTD, their neighbor bar, doesn't put up with any of that scene. For those looking to put together a united coalition, I bet you'd find an ally there.

You guys are a bunch of undercover racists. Isn't this the third thread we've had on this same topic? If you have a problem with Hip Hop nights then move to a City that doesn't have African American residents. The number of places downtown in our City which cater to African American clientèle is already limited. Should African Americans simply stay in North City and County? Would that make you happier?

No wonder we have issues with race relations. Whites move downtown but have no room for anyone else who dresses or acts different. I don't see you guys calling for the closure of South Side Hoosier dives which have just as if not worse behavior? And I don't see those stories being reported by the Post Dispatch either. Moreover, since when did we try to ban an entire group of people from an area because a few of them get drunk and fight? People have been getting drunk and fighting for thousands of years. It happens.

Don't like their cars? GOING TO BAN PICKUP TRUCKS WITH LIFTS AND CONFEDERATE FLAGS FROM DIVING DOWN WASHINGTON? What! Talk about racial profiling! Don't like their clothes? Since when did we decide the 1st Amendment isn't allowed on Washington Avenue?

Go move to Cherokee Street and join the failed Shirley Wallace coalition. Or better yet don't because the new leadership on that street seems to understand multiculturalism!

You want to ban bars entirely then do so at your own detriment. But banning bars based upon the type of clientèle, especially racially based, sounds like the Jim Crow South at worst and Chesterfield racism at best.

BTW, the bartenders at Hair of the Dog also don't like gays either so yes a coalition against "the other" would probably find an ally in them!

So Hip Hop night brings people with guns to Washington Avenue? I've been to several rap battles and no one pulled any guns?

The answer to the problem isn't marginalizing an entire group of City residents or banning a type of club from one area while allowing it to exist freely in another. If Hip Hop Clubs are a danger to public safety then why don't you go organize North Side residents to ban them? Or wait people would probably have the same criticism of this position as I have.

Gun violence is an American problem not related to Hip Hop. I suppose you would also blame the Columbine shootings on Marilyn Manson and video games rather than the failure of gun control laws insofar as the ability of teens to acquire assault weapons? But it's so much easier to provide NIMBY answers like these!

I would love to see City statistics that correlate violence to Lil' John and the East-side Boys. I wonder if we also collect that on dive bars and punk rock? How about Lynard Skynard, choppers, and Milwaukee's Best? If we don't I would love to start collecting survey data.

Banning a type of car or clothing style on public streets and sidewalks happens to be racist and contradictory to the 1st Amendment. Should mullets and pickups be next? I say yes if we're starting down this road. They bother me far more than an African American woman with a generous buttocks wearing a skirt which is too short and tight. But that's only my personal preference and we really shouldn't legislate any into policy.

Downtown residents seem to like multiculturalism insofar as those of a different color dress like a white businessman.

Sorry, by then I'll be living in one of the most diverse cities on the planet, Toronto, where people don't walk around videotaping black people waiting for them to pull out their guns and attack each other.

Dave says "Club Lure owners and its promoters are responsible for bringing chaos to our neighborhoods on Thursday nights." However, I don't think they're going around the City telling people to bring their guns to the club. Did this even happen in the club? No, it happened in a parking lot. The responsible offenders should be caught and arrested, but this has nothing to do with the club owners or Hip Hop night. If you want to find blame then how about the amount of guns we have on our streets? But no, you won't because this chaos somewhere else is a more convenient solution. If it's above Delmar then who gives a sh*t? This kind of crap happens all the time in other areas of the City. I don't see any solutions in this thread except move it somewhere else away from our tax abated lofts.

This town is so messed up. Last weekend I was walking with my girlfriend in the Loop. A group of black men were drinking some soda talking on the sidewalk in front of Coldstone about whatever and the police told them to move on as they were "blocking the sidewalk." Yet a group of older and nicer dressed white people were on the sidewalk near Chipolte for more than 10 minutes. Two police were no more than 20 feet from them and did nothing, even though they were also "blocking the sidewalk." They were given an exception probably because they weren't dressed like a "gangster" or "hip hop." And all Arabs are obviously terrorists.

southsidepride wrote:Something tells me if it were a country music club that had some sort of melee out front Doug would have no problem with trying to shut the place down and trying to keep like minded clubs from opening in the area.

Yes, we also need to ban country music and "wrapping down the sidewalk" (horribly offensive behavior GoneCorporate observed sitting outside Hair of the Dog), which I've seen Central West End yuppies get upset over a kid doing during a Saturday afternoon on McPherson. Apparently "urban culture" isn't appreciated outside "higher culture" art galleries either?

Downtown2007 wrote:I dont think they belong anywhere if they cant behave. We obviously are not going to ever see eye to eye over this.

You guys could have said that instead of your racially-charged language which sounds a lot like stltoday.com commenter's from St. Charles County. You guys attack the "Thug Superhighway" guy (who commented on the City to River story), but you essentially say that we should racially profile and pull over "G-Rides?" Yes, please lets do that and also implement it on Cherokee Street! Arizona would envy us! While we're at it why don't you hire Israeli contractors to build a wall on Delmar? But I am sure Boeing locally could do it as they won the contract for the 2000 mile Mexican Border fence. Though since sometimes we can't tell which African Americans are "safe" (even middle class ones sometimes dress "thug" or "use slang," and some might even "wrap") maybe we can administer a test to figure it out and make those good ones wear some sort of identifying mark like a badge? That way the bad ones are beyond the fence and we know the others are safe and like us. Either way we have options available.

Doug wrote:You guys are a bunch of undercover racists. Isn't this the third thread we've had on this same topic? If you have a problem with Hip Hop nights then move to a City that doesn't have African American residents. The number of places downtown in our City which cater to African American clientèle is already limited. Should African Americans simply stay in North City and County? Would that make you happier?

No wonder we have issues with race relations. Whites move downtown but have no room for anyone else who dresses or acts different. I don't see you guys calling for the closure of South Side Hoosier dives which have just as if not worse behavior? And I don't see those stories being reported by the Post Dispatch either. Moreover, since when did we try to ban an entire group of people from an area because a few of them get drunk and fight? People have been getting drunk and fighting for thousands of years. It happens.

Don't like their cars? GOING TO BAN PICKUP TRUCKS WITH LIFTS AND CONFEDERATE FLAGS FROM DIVING DOWN WASHINGTON? What! Talk about racial profiling! Don't like their clothes? Since when did we decide the 1st Amendment isn't allowed on Washington Avenue?

Go move to Cherokee Street and join the failed Shirley Wallace coalition. Or better yet don't because the new leadership on that street seems to understand multiculturalism!

You want to ban bars entirely then do so at your own detriment. But banning bars based upon the type of clientèle, especially racially based, sounds like the Jim Crow South at worst and Chesterfield racism at best.

BTW, the bartenders at Hair of the Dog also don't like gays either so yes a coalition against "the other" would probably find an ally in them!

Wow. Idiotic on so many levels.

Let me ask you this - should blacks be allowed to shoot guns at hip hop nights?