For those interested... A project recommended by Trailnet in 2018 is coming together “quickly”. Trailnet funding, ward funds, and private contributions have gotten it to this point. The City will be applying to EastWestGateway for federal funding in February with decision announcement in August.

http://www.forestparksoutheast.com/wp-c ... 1-2020.pdf


Not included are the upcoming changes to Sarah and parts of Vandeventer by Green Street and Koman.






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I find that park space perplexing on the NE corner. Who would maintain that? Otherwise, looks great with planted median, crosswalks, bike lanes, street trees. 

^Are they taking out the western end of Central Industrial Drive?

^It sure looks like it from the rendering, doesn't it? That would be kind of short sighted, I think. First, I don't think it would do any favors to the industry that's there right now, since access from the east is an uncontrolled intersection on a bridge with a pretty tight and winding ramp on a steep grade. I can't imagine that thing is a whole lot of fun with a load. At least at the west end it's a little less nasty and you have a signal. Second, as the things grow together between the park and the Grove all of that land could end up redeveloped, but that will be harder if it's even more isolated than it already is.

In general I like the plan. A road diet isn't a bad idea. The landscaping looks nice. (Though I do have to wonder how well trees will do in planters in the middle of a bridge.) And it's linking two growing areas together, which is always a bonus. Just not sure about closing off the west end of Central Industrial.

chaifetz10 wrote: ↑

Feb 11, 2020

Cleaning up and rehabbing the intersection of Tower Grove and Vandeventer will do wonders for this entire area. If it comes anything close to the rendering I’ll be ecstatic.

The angles at which the streets intersect make crossings so long. Not a great pedestrian experience. This looks much better. 
Getting rid of central industrial drive at the intersection will help as well. Maybe they will just have it come out directly on Vandeventer. 

^Also, if you read the comments on the survey sheets . . . not a lot of love for Drury there. I wonder if letting properties sit and decay has negatively impacted their perception locally?

Great to see how passionate FPSE neighbors are about the pedestrian bridge. When we build spaces for people, people use them.

symphonicpoet wrote: ↑

Feb 11, 2020

^It sure looks like it from the rendering, doesn't it? That would be kind of short sighted, I think. First, I don't think it would do any favors to the industry that's there right now, since access from the east is an uncontrolled intersection on a bridge with a pretty tight and winding ramp on a steep grade. I can't imagine that thing is a whole lot of fun with a load. At least at the west end it's a little less nasty and you have a signal. Second, as the things grow together between the park and the Grove all of that land could end up redeveloped, but that will be harder if it's even more isolated than it already is.

In general I like the plan. A road diet isn't a bad idea. The landscaping looks nice. (Though I do have to wonder how well trees will do in planters in the middle of a bridge.) And it's linking two growing areas together, which is always a bonus. Just not sure about closing off the west end of Central Industrial.

If you look close you can see a road just north east of the bridge, after the park, that looks to lead down. I think they are looking to simply the intersection. People coming from there would only be able to make a right onto Vandeventer. 

Please please please! That intersection is part of my usual running route, from Soulard to Forest Park, and this is the hardest intersection to deal with as a pedestrian (on par with Gravois-Jefferson-Sidney)

^ I used to cut through Central Industrial to get from I-44 to Downtown West early in the morning because it let me skip several stop lights on my route.

MarkGroth2020 wrote: ↑

Feb 11, 2020

I find that park space perplexing on the NE corner. Who would maintain that? Otherwise, looks great with planted median, crosswalks, bike lanes, street trees. 

Would that be new? There is already a triangle of grass and trees there, with a FPSE sign on it as well. I don't know who maintains it, I assumed the city but have no evidence for that. Right now it is accessible from Vandeventer but not Tower Grove or Race Course. The rendering makes it look like it would be leveled out to be accessible from those streets as well, and possibly enlarged (though the rendering is hard to interpret).

flipz wrote: ↑

Feb 11, 2020

symphonicpoet wrote: ↑

Feb 11, 2020

^It sure looks like it from the rendering, doesn't it? That would be kind of short sighted, I think. First, I don't think it would do any favors to the industry that's there right now, since access from the east is an uncontrolled intersection on a bridge with a pretty tight and winding ramp on a steep grade. I can't imagine that thing is a whole lot of fun with a load. At least at the west end it's a little less nasty and you have a signal. Second, as the things grow together between the park and the Grove all of that land could end up redeveloped, but that will be harder if it's even more isolated than it already is.

In general I like the plan. A road diet isn't a bad idea. The landscaping looks nice. (Though I do have to wonder how well trees will do in planters in the middle of a bridge.) And it's linking two growing areas together, which is always a bonus. Just not sure about closing off the west end of Central Industrial.

If you look close you can see a road just north east of the bridge, after the park, that looks to lead down. I think they are looking to simply the intersection. People coming from there would only be able to make a right onto Vandeventer. 

It's hard to tell for sure from the renderings, but I'm sure you're right. But I also expect nine times out of ten heavy vehicles coming up off Central Industrial want to turn left on Vandeventer to get to 44. Doesn't mean that leaving the left is the right thing to do, but it's useful to look at it from all perspectives.

symphonicpoet wrote: ↑

Feb 11, 2020

flipz wrote: ↑

Feb 11, 2020

symphonicpoet wrote: ↑

Feb 11, 2020

^It sure looks like it from the rendering, doesn't it? That would be kind of short sighted, I think. First, I don't think it would do any favors to the industry that's there right now, since access from the east is an uncontrolled intersection on a bridge with a pretty tight and winding ramp on a steep grade. I can't imagine that thing is a whole lot of fun with a load. At least at the west end it's a little less nasty and you have a signal. Second, as the things grow together between the park and the Grove all of that land could end up redeveloped, but that will be harder if it's even more isolated than it already is.

In general I like the plan. A road diet isn't a bad idea. The landscaping looks nice. (Though I do have to wonder how well trees will do in planters in the middle of a bridge.) And it's linking two growing areas together, which is always a bonus. Just not sure about closing off the west end of Central Industrial.

If you look close you can see a road just north east of the bridge, after the park, that looks to lead down. I think they are looking to simply the intersection. People coming from there would only be able to make a right onto Vandeventer. 

It's hard to tell for sure from the renderings, but I'm sure you're right. But I also expect nine times out of ten heavy vehicles coming up off Central Industrial want to turn left on Vandeventer to get to 44. Doesn't mean that leaving the left is the right thing to do, but it's useful to look at it from all perspectives.

Yeah it would make things more difficult for the businesses there but I think it is necessary for the sake of connecting the Grove to Shaw. From google it appears that it's school buses and city refuse trucks that use the area.  Since there is a connection on the other end I am not worried about it.

What Federal Fiscal year money is available at EWG? i'm guessing STP or enhancement monies?