Is the silo about to get painted?
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^ No, at least not that I’m aware. Definitely not part of this project. Just rendering filler.
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A weird filler for them to color in considering everything outside of the project is black and whitesc4mayor wrote:^ No, at least not that I’m aware. Definitely not part of this project. Just rendering filler.
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They way some people are driving these days, I find myself wishing all City streets were one lane each way. Embrace the congestion and safety/traffic calming that comes with it.
There were fake high-rises downtown in the early MLS renderings. A concept for a new terminal at Lambert had the Las Vegas skyline in the middle ground. Renderings are just renderings.SeattleNative wrote: ↑Jul 14, 2021A weird filler for them to color in considering everything outside of the project is black and whitesc4mayor wrote:^ No, at least not that I’m aware. Definitely not part of this project. Just rendering filler.
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There have long been ideas to paint or somehow animate the grain silo. There are also renderings of a painted silo in the Brickline project of which the TG Connector is considered a “partner project” (though they are still separate). I don’t think it’s weird that some features from that would end up in a rendering.
The grain silo will not be painted as part of this project. The Sarah Street portion has been nixed to a phase II anyway.
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Update from Trailnet:
As we move into summer, the Tower Grove Connector design and engineering is advancing according to schedule. The project team continues to engage property owners, utility providers, residents, businesses, and institutions adjacent to the route to coordinate efforts and plan for the forthcoming improvements. Final plans are scheduled to be delivered in early 2023 with construction beginning later that year. Project completion is scheduled for 2024.
We are excited to share that the Sarah Street segment of the Tower Grove Connector between Vandeventer and Forest Park Parkway ("Phase 2") received a recommendation from the East-West Gateway Transportation Committee for a $3.42M CMAQ grant. Final approval of this funding is expected by the East-West Gateway Board in August. If funding is approved, community engagement and design for Phase 2 will begin in 2023. This extension would complete an important connection between the Grove Business District and the Cortex MetroLink Station as well as the forthcoming network of Brickline Greenway routes throughout the city.
The glacial pace at which a project that basically just involves redoing the street paint is something to behold.
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^ 4 years ago next month i met with Trailnet to talk about Tucker improvements, its adding a simple cycle track and the project wont start until next year....so at best case it will be 5 years from idea to complete project
^^ To be fair, this appears to be way more than just street paint. Looks like a lot of new concrete, landscaping, etc.
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It is certainly more than just paint. All of the cycle lanes that are just restriped streets are typically deemed as fake bike lanes by most cyclists I speak with and they at times avoid them such as Olive for calmer roads like locust. Restriped with no buffer or added landscape become a passing or parking lane.PeterXCV wrote:The glacial pace at which a project that basically just involves redoing the street paint is something to behold.
Maybe it will be fancier like the renderings show but I think the one on Chestnut works well and is pretty simple:LArchitecture wrote: ↑Jun 22, 2022It is certainly more than just paint. All of the cycle lanes that are just restriped streets are typically deemed as fake bike lanes by most cyclists I speak with and they at times avoid them such as Olive for calmer roads like locust. Restriped with no buffer or added landscape become a passing or parking lane.PeterXCV wrote:The glacial pace at which a project that basically just involves redoing the street paint is something to behold.
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^ that doesn't even work anymore. Ameren did a project in the bike lane and than never repaved it back
People are always parking in the bike lane on Chestnut where the flimsy white poles cordoning off the lane have been knocked down. That said it could quickly be improved by installing more robust barriers like these along Union north of Forest Park and by moving the meters/spot number poles (whatever those are called) to the strip between the bike lane and parking so it doesn't look like cars should be parking along the curb.PeterXCV wrote: ↑Jun 22, 2022Maybe it will be fancier like the renderings show but I think the one on Chestnut works well and is pretty simple: Screen Shot 2022-06-22 at 10.28.55 AM.pngLArchitecture wrote: ↑Jun 22, 2022It is certainly more than just paint. All of the cycle lanes that are just restriped streets are typically deemed as fake bike lanes by most cyclists I speak with and they at times avoid them such as Olive for calmer roads like locust. Restriped with no buffer or added landscape become a passing or parking lane.PeterXCV wrote:The glacial pace at which a project that basically just involves redoing the street paint is something to behold.
If it's not people parking in the lane itself, it's people using the entire buffer area as parking.
An aside, but it impacts pedestrian safety: The meter maids are nearly useless beyond just meter enforcement. Entire businesses can park anywhere with apparently no pushback.
Loading zones, bike lane buffer zones, the entire block around the city courts building, parking on grass lots, etc. All completely ignored by the parking division.
An aside, but it impacts pedestrian safety: The meter maids are nearly useless beyond just meter enforcement. Entire businesses can park anywhere with apparently no pushback.
Loading zones, bike lane buffer zones, the entire block around the city courts building, parking on grass lots, etc. All completely ignored by the parking division.
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Has anyone heard any updates about this? I was under the impression that construction was supposed to start this year.
I love how proud Scott Ogilvie is of the 3 bike lanes St. Louis will build over a 10 year period.
BB62 has money for Phase 2 (Sarah Street from Vandeventer Avenue to Forest Park Avenue)
Federal: $3,424,000.00 Congestion Mitigation Air Quality (CMAQ)
Local Match: $1,476,000.00 Greater St. Louis, Inc.
https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/government/c ... BBId=15274
Federal: $3,424,000.00 Congestion Mitigation Air Quality (CMAQ)
Local Match: $1,476,000.00 Greater St. Louis, Inc.
https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/government/c ... BBId=15274
An update presented at the FPSE NA meeting in July. There's a timeline shown.
I guess I'm glad this project is going to happen but damn I hope someone with power will figure out a way for St. Louis to add bicycle infrastructure more quickly. It should not take over a year to make a design of a bike path for a 0.4 mile stretch of Sarah St.
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From experience, it’s the vicious cycle of review and commenting that is difficult here in STL. I’ve had more projects start and finish in other metros and states then I have a cycle track in this city.PeterXCV wrote:I guess I'm glad this project is going to happen but damn I hope someone with power will figure out a way for St. Louis to add bicycle infrastructure more quickly. It should not take over a year to make a design of a bike path for a 0.4 mile stretch of Sarah St.
That’s before factoring in costs and VE.
How exactly does this happen in practice? Is it like if some input is negative, they need to make new plans and then ask for input again until nobody complains?LArchitecture wrote:From experience, it’s the vicious cycle of review and commenting that is difficult here in STL. I’ve had more projects start and finish in other metros and states then I have a cycle track in this city.PeterXCV wrote:I guess I'm glad this project is going to happen but damn I hope someone with power will figure out a way for St. Louis to add bicycle infrastructure more quickly. It should not take over a year to make a design of a bike path for a 0.4 mile stretch of Sarah St.
That’s before factoring in costs and VE.
I think everyone agrees that Saint Louis moves too slow. Hopefully all the focus the YIMBY movement puts on bureaucracy and unreasonable community input can lead to some massive streamlining here
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It’s government review not the public. You submit for permits they give comments you adjust you resubmit etc endlessly till the government entity you are working with gives you the permit or approves the work.dtgwvc wrote:How exactly does this happen in practice? Is it like if some input is negative, they need to make new plans and then ask for input again until nobody complains?LArchitecture wrote:From experience, it’s the vicious cycle of review and commenting that is difficult here in STL. I’ve had more projects start and finish in other metros and states then I have a cycle track in this city.PeterXCV wrote:I guess I'm glad this project is going to happen but damn I hope someone with power will figure out a way for St. Louis to add bicycle infrastructure more quickly. It should not take over a year to make a design of a bike path for a 0.4 mile stretch of Sarah St.
That’s before factoring in costs and VE.
I think everyone agrees that Saint Louis moves too slow. Hopefully all the focus the YIMBY movement puts on bureaucracy and unreasonable community input can lead to some massive streamlining here
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Looking at the Tower Grove and Magnolia intersection there is no actual green addition to the road, just shifting the bike lanes. The change is definitely for the better but more can be done. The corner bump outs will make intersections a lot easier to cross for pedestrians.quincunx wrote: ↑Aug 24, 2023An update presented at the FPSE NA meeting in July. There's a timeline shown.
I really think that BotGardens need a parking garage. That way they could remove on street parking on one side of Tower Grove Ave and Magnolia and widen side walks. Magnolia doesn't even have a side walk on one side for a good stretch.
Re-sharing what was presented June of 2021 at the FPSENA meeting. After their presentation at our July 2023 meeting, they referenced the designs for Tower Grove and Vandeventer, implying these are Phase 1 plans.
Presentation: Tower Grove Connector | June 15, 2021
Trailnet will be at our community event in Chouteau Park on September 9 at 5:30pm, if anybody is interested in talking to them about the project there.
Presentation: Tower Grove Connector | June 15, 2021
Trailnet will be at our community event in Chouteau Park on September 9 at 5:30pm, if anybody is interested in talking to them about the project there.
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Been about 5+ years now on this. They keep saying its happening soon. what are the chances it actually happens this year?
My favorite part is the first post of this saying this would be done in 2022/2023. Boy we really need to learn how to speed things up in terms of infrastructure projects.
My favorite part is the first post of this saying this would be done in 2022/2023. Boy we really need to learn how to speed things up in terms of infrastructure projects.