It looks like there is going to be 45 degree parking on both sides of the street from 18th all the way down to 20th on Wash Ave. Looks great!
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ChrisInDownTown wrote:It looks like there is going to be 45 degree parking on both sides of the street from 18th all the way down to 20th on Wash Ave. Looks great!
I noticed that this morning.
45 degree parking eh? I'm not so sure. It seems so small town-ish. I don't recall seeing that anywhere so close to a major city's CBD.
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I'm not a huge fan of angled parking regardless of where it is. Sure you can fit more cars in, but it increases the likelihood of collisions as cars back out.
There is angled parking in front of Llewellyn's in Soulard, but that's not on a major street.
There is angled parking in front of Llewellyn's in Soulard, but that's not on a major street.
I noticed that Tuesday night. I also immediately noticed the Bike St. Louis street marker running right through parking stripes. The street lights looks excellent as well.
Don't see what the problem is with angled parking--we get more spaces!
If you want to turn your nose up at something "small townish" in the City, how about those damned new traffic signals along Chouteau and Manchester. Now that's disgusting.
If you want to turn your nose up at something "small townish" in the City, how about those damned new traffic signals along Chouteau and Manchester. Now that's disgusting.
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This isn't a very well traveled part of Wash Avenue at this time. It certainly creates many mroe spots which will be key for those businesses to succeed in the Tudor Building.
Didn't see the Bike St. louis deal as it was dark when I was driving. Not sure about that.
Didn't see the Bike St. louis deal as it was dark when I was driving. Not sure about that.
jlblues wrote:45 degree parking eh? I'm not so sure. It seems so small town-ish. I don't recall seeing that anywhere so close to a major city's CBD.
Guess St. Louis either isn't a major City or the region's CBD. Go check out Chestnut Street near the Solider's Memorial.
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Angled parking is great for inexpensive road diets that maintain the curb in its existing location. Just imagine how wide the streets bordering Lafayette Park would be without it.
And if you're worried about conflicts with cyclists, St. Louis should follow Charlotte, Boulder, and others by using reverse-angled parking instead.
And if you're worried about conflicts with cyclists, St. Louis should follow Charlotte, Boulder, and others by using reverse-angled parking instead.
No, the bike marker is literally right in the middle of the parking. It needs to be moved. There's a stripe going through it.
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What do the new street lights look like? Anyone have pictures?
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There is angled parking in this location because:
1 They want to squueze in as many spots as possible for retailers
2. Because the two corner storfronts are earmarked for restaurants with sidewalk seating and the want a barrier to make the eating enviornment "relaxing".
3. They want traffic to slow down through here because all buildings on this block are being redone for new retail and they want a pedestrian friendly walkable "distict" so to speak. This will encourge development is the surrounding areas of Washington as well
4. No need for two lanes, not much traffic here anyways, If you're in that big of a hurry, use Locust, Olive, or Delmar.
Angled parking is the cheapest and most effective way to achieve these goals.
1 They want to squueze in as many spots as possible for retailers
2. Because the two corner storfronts are earmarked for restaurants with sidewalk seating and the want a barrier to make the eating enviornment "relaxing".
3. They want traffic to slow down through here because all buildings on this block are being redone for new retail and they want a pedestrian friendly walkable "distict" so to speak. This will encourge development is the surrounding areas of Washington as well
4. No need for two lanes, not much traffic here anyways, If you're in that big of a hurry, use Locust, Olive, or Delmar.
Angled parking is the cheapest and most effective way to achieve these goals.
JMedwick wrote:jlblues wrote:45 degree parking eh? I'm not so sure. It seems so small town-ish. I don't recall seeing that anywhere so close to a major city's CBD.
Guess St. Louis either isn't a major City or the region's CBD. Go check out Chestnut Street near the Solider's Memorial.
Or Maryland in the CWE.
dweebe wrote:JMedwick wrote:jlblues wrote:45 degree parking eh? I'm not so sure. It seems so small town-ish. I don't recall seeing that anywhere so close to a major city's CBD.
Guess St. Louis either isn't a major City or the region's CBD. Go check out Chestnut Street near the Solider's Memorial.
Or Maryland in the CWE.
I don't think there is any in "downtown Clayton." Guess that means...
Downtown Houston, which is about two or three sizes larger than downtown St. Louis has loads of angled parking - particularly on the northern edge.jlblues wrote:45 degree parking eh? I'm not so sure. It seems so small town-ish. I don't recall seeing that anywhere so close to a major city's CBD.
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45 degree parking is simply a function of the curb to curb distance and the need for lanes vs. parking. True small towns tend to have angled parking but that goes back to the width of the ROW they had to work with as more and more cars hit the roads. It is about picking the right solution for the given circumstances.
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Glad to see you're feeling better man. We need you back on the streets!Urban Review St. Louis wrote:45 degree parking is simply a function of the curb to curb distance and the need for lanes vs. parking. True small towns tend to have angled parking but that goes back to the width of the ROW they had to work with as more and more cars hit the roads. It is about picking the right solution for the given circumstances.
45 degree parking eh? I'm not so sure. It seems so small town-ish.
Downtown used to have 45 degree parking on a number of streets. I remember seeing it specifically in front of the old post office in a scene from the 1920's.
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Urban Elitist wrote:Glad to see you're feeling better man. We need you back on the streets!
This is off topic so my apologies --- ever since I woke up after ICU I have felt fine --- I'm just getting use of my left leg allowing me to walk limited distances with a cane. Steps? no I cannot raise my left arm. 41 years as a leftie I am learning to become right handed -- including writing.
Yes, they had it in front of the Statler Hotel too, but you'll also notice mule-drawn carriages in those same photos; should we bring those back as well?JCity wrote:Downtown used to have 45 degree parking on a number of streets. I remember seeing it specifically in front of the old post office in a scene from the 1920's.
Houston huh? I rest my case.Arch City wrote:Downtown Houston, which is about two or three sizes larger than downtown St. Louis has loads of angled parking - particularly on the northern edge.
There is not one thing about that city that I would like to see St. Louis try to replicate.1. There is far more than enough parking in this area.Urban Elitist wrote:There is angled parking in this location because:
1 They want to squueze in as many spots as possible for retailers
2. Because the two corner storfronts are earmarked for restaurants with sidewalk seating and the want a barrier to make the eating enviornment "relaxing".
3. They want traffic to slow down through here because all buildings on this block are being redone for new retail and they want a pedestrian friendly walkable "distict" so to speak. This will encourge development is the surrounding areas of Washington as well
4. No need for two lanes, not much traffic here anyways, If you're in that big of a hurry, use Locust, Olive, or Delmar.
Angled parking is the cheapest and most effective way to achieve these goals.
2. There are many ways to create an effective barrier for sidewalk dining that do not include 45-degree parking.
3. How does angled parking slow down traffic??? More likely is that studies have simply looked at areas with 45-degree parking that have many actual traffic-calming measures in place.
4. You could have said the same thing about all of Washington Avenue five years ago.
Angled parking is simply yet another anachronistic affectation in the toolbag of urban-fabric-hating developers everywhere. Think clock towers, fountains, public squares, pedestrian malls, etc., etc. Basically, the developers want to try to recreate a section of some small town square, but it will simply end up looking like a strip mall in an existing building.
I don't really understand what your whole problem is with the angled parking. Seems like you are making this into a much bigger deal than it is.