do you know when metro is starting the security gates? am worried that will impact downtown traffic - is it justified?dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑4:52 PM - Feb 20Month away
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Day __ of waiting for the Bob Clark and business mogul big investment downtown now that Tishaura is out of their way
St. Louis is not the only downtown that's struggling.... tough times for downtown Baltimore too.
[url=https://www.youtube.com/shorts/2oWX3NijjYA]A troubling trend in downtown Baltimore[/url]
[url=https://www.youtube.com/shorts/2oWX3NijjYA]A troubling trend in downtown Baltimore[/url]
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we aren't even struggling like that, all of our businesses in downtown like restaurants and places like Union Station, City Museum, BPV are all had their best year in 2025
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We already lost all of our options for shopping downtown 15 years ago
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True.GoHarvOrGoHome wrote: ↑3:09 PM - Feb 27We already lost all of our options for shopping downtown 15 years ago
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Yea, it’s actually pretty mind blowing the lack of shopping downtown. Small town main streets have more. You would think we can at least support a couple more things? I’m also always shocked by the small number of coffee shops we have downtown despite the big craft and chain coffee shop boom that has happened the last 10 years everywhere else (including everywhere else in our own region)GoHarvOrGoHome wrote: ↑3:09 PM - Feb 27We already lost all of our options for shopping downtown 15 years ago
But people should support the shops that are down there and trying!
-Whip it Goods
-Levins
-Waxed Out Candles
-Baseballism
-Missouri Threads (our one tourist shop)
I will add to support Cobblestone on the Landing and the new Ozzy’s Market. Great places trying to make downtown more vibrant
The actual Corish-run portion of BPV did not have their best year. Not even close.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑9:24 PM - Feb 25we aren't even struggling like that, all of our businesses in downtown like restaurants and places like Union Station, City Museum, BPV are all had their best year in 2025
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It was running 27% better in taxable sales through Q3 (q4 will be out in the next few weeks)
Denis - nobody knows downtown better than you. What do you attribute this significant revenue climb to? Cardinal attendance down. No change (maybe even slight downturn?) in downtown St Louis dynamics with the office/residential population.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑8:34 PM - Feb 27It was running 27% better in taxable sales through Q3 (q4 will be out in the next few weeks)
That’s a significant increase.
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BPV has significantly increased its events/concerts and invested in night life/club with Ava Garden. 2025 was also a huge convention year. That will slow down in 2026 somewhat but they’re still betting heavily on bringing people in for events/concertskbshapiro wrote: ↑8:58 PM - Feb 27Denis - nobody knows downtown better than you. What do you attribute this significant revenue climb to? Cardinal attendance down. No change (maybe even slight downturn?) in downtown St Louis dynamics with the office/residential population.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑8:34 PM - Feb 27It was running 27% better in taxable sales through Q3 (q4 will be out in the next few weeks)
That’s a significant increase.
This shows the entire complex. Hotel and spots run by other entities. Core Cordish establishments were way down.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑9:13 PM - Feb 27BPV has significantly increased its events/concerts and invested in night life/club with Ava Garden. 2025 was also a huge convention year. That will slow down in 2026 somewhat but they’re still betting heavily on bringing people in for events/concertskbshapiro wrote: ↑8:58 PM - Feb 27Denis - nobody knows downtown better than you. What do you attribute this significant revenue climb to? Cardinal attendance down. No change (maybe even slight downturn?) in downtown St Louis dynamics with the office/residential population.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑8:34 PM - Feb 27It was running 27% better in taxable sales through Q3 (q4 will be out in the next few weeks)
That’s a significant increase.
Got it. Thank youdbInSouthCity wrote: ↑9:13 PM - Feb 27BPV has significantly increased its events/concerts and invested in night life/club with Ava Garden. 2025 was also a huge convention year. That will slow down in 2026 somewhat but they’re still betting heavily on bringing people in for events/concertskbshapiro wrote: ↑8:58 PM - Feb 27Denis - nobody knows downtown better than you. What do you attribute this significant revenue climb to? Cardinal attendance down. No change (maybe even slight downturn?) in downtown St Louis dynamics with the office/residential population.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑8:34 PM - Feb 27It was running 27% better in taxable sales through Q3 (q4 will be out in the next few weeks)
That’s a significant increase.
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https://ded.mo.gov/media/pdf/modesa-program-summary
There is a bill that revive this and I suspect it’s only for BPV/Millenium. The program stopped taking new applications in 2013
https://house.mo.gov/BillMobile.aspx?ye ... ill=HB3395
There is a bill that revive this and I suspect it’s only for BPV/Millenium. The program stopped taking new applications in 2013
https://house.mo.gov/BillMobile.aspx?ye ... ill=HB3395
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It's not true that all attractions are doing better than ever, the City Museum reports attendance in 2025 is down 25% over 2019. Sales tax figures alone can be misleading because of inflation.
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New Park Pacific owner is also in the hunt for Leather Traders (may have or should close soon) and another very prominent building or 2.
Something that the wife has been working for a while, downtown can’t just be NIMBYs trying to shut down food vendors. It’s time to more people to get involved and take downtown back. This is event one and more details Wednesday on event 2; breakfast at park pacific lobby with att developer, new park pacific owner to discuss their future downtown plans. Website will launch shortly were you can sign up for that
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Get those printing presses going, people will be able to get these with a donation to the effort.
This number seemed surprisingly high to me, what's driving so much vacancy?
"Multifamily vacancy in the downtown central business district submarket rose to 25.7% in the fourth quarter of 2025, up from 17.1% a year prior"
https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... -sale.html
"Multifamily vacancy in the downtown central business district submarket rose to 25.7% in the fourth quarter of 2025, up from 17.1% a year prior"
https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... -sale.html
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My assumption is some owners are letting units go vacant in order to renovate.PeterXCV wrote: ↑2:55 PM - Mar 05This number seemed surprisingly high to me, what's driving so much vacancy?
"Multifamily vacancy in the downtown central business district submarket rose to 25.7% in the fourth quarter of 2025, up from 17.1% a year prior"
https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... -sale.html
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Nothing makes sense about their data
Total units
Q3: 3899
Q4: 4319
420 units added in Q4 but we know for a fact that many didnt got added. I think Luke may have accidentally pulled the wrong file that included mansion house again. And the other 20 was added on the landing
Total units
Q3: 3899
Q4: 4319
420 units added in Q4 but we know for a fact that many didnt got added. I think Luke may have accidentally pulled the wrong file that included mansion house again. And the other 20 was added on the landing
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Where did the 420 units come from? Do you know how many units were occupied in 4Q25 vs 4Q24? I remember you were tracking data but only for some specific unitsdbInSouthCity wrote: ↑3:32 PM - Mar 05Nothing makes sense about their data
Total units
Q3: 3899
Q4: 4319
420 units added in Q4 but we know for a fact that many didnt got added. I think Luke may have accidentally pulled the wrong file that included mansion house again. And the other 20 was added on the landing
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Didnt come from anywhere, i think Cushman accidently pulled the file that included Mansion House