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Vertical density/horizontal density? I think there's something to be said there, I just can't figure out what it is! Maybe 'vertical density' isn't really density at all? After all, the tower in the park movement didn't lead to liveable neighborhoods. . .



The project will be great if it fills the streetscape of Euclid and West Pine. I'm not sure about the comparison to the West Pine townhouses, this project seems to be six floors, not 2.5 and will have first floor retail. I understand your point about infill, but I think replacing a building that was half empty (and hopefully building to the street in place of a surface lot) with residential and more retail is very significant for the CWE.

As much as I love towers, I'd rather see 4 vacant lots plugged up than another tower. Once all the vacant land is taken, then towers become a more attractive option for developers. I associate vacant lots with very negative things. Needless to say I see very few vacant lots in Manhattan so maybe I'm just overly sensitive or something.

^I did write "kind of disappointing." In the end, if the new building(s) relates well to the street, I'll like it. Active street walls are more important to me than any number of stories up in the air. Plus, if the loss of a tower here helps the market for another tower on Lindell, then that's better too.

I agree, first level retail and 5 floors of housing is better than vacant lot or hideous underutilized building.

Speaking of underutilized, has anyone been in India's Rasoi on Laclede? I went there recently for the first time in about a decade, and was saddened to see that the decor did not appear changed at all, and isn't aging well. The food and service were still good though.

The latest I've heard is that this may be Bruce Mill's last big project and that he has some envy of other CWE developments - namely the Park East Tower, whatever's going on the old Heart Assoc corner and the ideas being tossed about for Kingshighway/Lindell. So this project has gone from 30 to 6 stories, but may be going back up. Also, that the Euclid streetscape meeting the footprint for the new building showed a "z" or stepped facade for the Euclid side. Don't know if this was conjecture or based on initial planning. Along with the Park East Lofts, this part of Euclid is changing FAST.

The new streetscape coming to Euclid should really help fill in retail. it will be a very attractive 4 blocks (and possibly the most dense in the city once the Lofts, Renaissance, and NE & SW corners of Euclid/Lindell are built out).

could someone explain to me the "z" shaped structure. I simply can;t picture that.

like a zig-zag . . .





l l

l l /

l l /

l l /

l l /________

l l_________________



_______________________

l l ^West Pine

l l <Euclid

ok - I get it now. Did take me a while though. I'm spacially challenged

Help, I'm not sure how advangateous that is?



Is it for natural lighting?

Doesn't it interrupt sidewalk traffic flow?

Doesn't it make window shopping or storefronts more difficult?

Will the extra space be bordered by blank walls or some special window or treatment?

they just like the fact that it looks like a Z

^^



?? IMO it adds a plaZa feel and allows more space for outdoor dining. The first level is slated for retail. Sorry, I don't know much else - or if this would be the final plan.



My input at the Euclid streetscape meeting was to concentrate on building a sense of place around the Laclede and West Pine intersections. It seems that everyone's big on gates for neighborhoods (I suppose some landmark is helpful here along FPP because Euclid's relatively easy to miss) but to me a gate or arch or whatever tells someone they're either 'in' or 'out'. Think about Euclid at Maryland - you don't need a big gate at Lindell to tell you there's something down there (again, I think gates often tell us to stay out), you can look down there and see a bustling intersection at Maryland. It looks inviting, it pulls you in. So with south Euclid I hope that some 'landmark' (a huge clock, moving artwork, something) is put on the side of the Park East building and at West Pine, ample outdoor seating on the NE corner would be welcome.

I don't mind gates if they're OPEN.....



and as for the "Z" diagram .... if you look at it long enough and adjust your focus "through the page" you can see the raging face of Patti Tepper - in full 3d - fuming about the z shaped shadows ....

and as for the "Z" diagram .... if you look at it long enough and adjust your focus "through the page" you can see the raging face of Patti Tepper - in full 3d - fuming about the z shaped shadows

LOL! Thanks for the laugh, markofucity

Ironically, the Doctor's Building may be taller than what Mills builds. Sheesh.

True, BUT one story covering the entire property would probably be more dense than its current use.

The latest I've heard is that this may be Bruce Mill's last big project

That might be a good thing.

I'd prefer the tower AND the first floor of retail covering the lot. So, Park East sells out-almost- and the Chase (highrise) is doing well, so, why can't another TOWER work on this site? At LEAST 10 stories tall? Come on, shoot for 30.



Tax Guru, I know you don't want another tower blocking your view from Park East and everything......

tax, your views: off the chain

I am very skeptical that Mills will be able to pull any project off. Look at their resume-- that godforsaken, anti-urban fortress known as West End Terrace at Taylor & Maryland. What else have they done? And what the hell is taking so long? I would rather some other developer like Conrad take over the Doctors Building project.



For what it's worth, I love the Doctors Building. I'd like to see its parking lot built upon, but I think I will actually miss that ugly old building when it's gone. I have a nice view of it from my window. What a relic.