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PostOct 31, 2007#276

zink wrote:If I am paying 9 bucks for a movie, I want to have the "experiance" of being at the movies. Plus paying 9 dollars to sit in NON-Theater seats to have some 5'4 girl block view.... unacceptable.



So we gladly drive the 20 plus minute drive to see a movie.


The Chase does a better job of keeping the riff-raff out.

PostOct 31, 2007#277

Matt Drops The H wrote:Wow. I love the Chase, the Moolah, Tivoli, and Frontenac. I go almost no where else. The suburban megaplex is like vacationing to Mars for me--I feel like I've entered a different country with a different culture.


Same here - that's pretty much it for me. I'll occasionally go to Des Peres or West Olive, but that's rare.

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PostOct 31, 2007#278

DeBaliviere wrote:
zink wrote:If I am paying 9 bucks for a movie, I want to have the "experiance" of being at the movies. Plus paying 9 dollars to sit in NON-Theater seats to have some 5'4 girl block view.... unacceptable.



So we gladly drive the 20 plus minute drive to see a movie.


The Chase does a better job of keeping the riff-raff out.


I've probably heard more cell phones at the Chase than anywhere else.



I think it depends when you go. I only go to Ronnie's on Sat or Sun afternoons for matinees. I would never go there at night.



Come to think of it, I mostly only go to the other places for matinees too.

PostOct 31, 2007#279

DeBaliviere wrote:
Matt Drops The H wrote:Wow. I love the Chase, the Moolah, Tivoli, and Frontenac. I go almost no where else. The suburban megaplex is like vacationing to Mars for me--I feel like I've entered a different country with a different culture.


Same here - that's pretty much it for me. I'll occasionally go to Des Peres or West Olive, but that's rare.


I think the Moolah is in a seperate class than the other three. I would see all my movies there, if I could.



The only time I ever go to Plaza Frontenac is when they are the only ones to have a movie. But usually, the films they have will have already played at the Tivoli or Hi-Pointe.

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PostOct 31, 2007#280

I go to the Chase, but would probably go to a Cine-Plex 18 if I could walk to one.

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PostOct 31, 2007#281

The Central Scrutinizer wrote:
DeBaliviere wrote:
zink wrote:If I am paying 9 bucks for a movie, I want to have the "experiance" of being at the movies. Plus paying 9 dollars to sit in NON-Theater seats to have some 5'4 girl block view.... unacceptable.



So we gladly drive the 20 plus minute drive to see a movie.


The Chase does a better job of keeping the riff-raff out.


I've probably heard more cell phones at the Chase than anywhere else.



I think it depends when you go. I only go to Ronnie's on Sat or Sun afternoons for matinees. I would never go there at night.



Come to think of it, I mostly only go to the other places for matinees too.


I do like Ronnies since they added the digital projection in some of the theaters. Though on the weekend that place is a teeny-bopper madhouse.

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PostOct 31, 2007#282

In Benton (IL), we had a 2 screen as our only option. People wouldn't go there because



A) Too many skanks

B) Sticky floors

C) Roaches

D) Anything in Benton is duplicated 20 miles away, but done much better.

PostOct 31, 2007#283

zink wrote:It is easy to get their via the 40 and has everything I need (So i think) It will be very hard for MX to compete against Galleria. However, I think they could attract all the Illionios Residents as I know a lot of them travel to the Galleria.


I would take St. Clair Square over the Galleria or STL Mills any day. I would definitely come downtown to shop if it was convenient to the metro, or the parking was convenient (and not $10). If nothing else, I would come to shop DT just for the experience of shopping downtown.

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PostOct 31, 2007#284

The Chase is also one of the more affordable theaters in town. The main screen is stadium seating. They serve booze.

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PostOct 31, 2007#285

ronnies serves booze too...



I like the Creve Coeur 14 the best... west olive is has more teens..



Ronnies is nice because they have digital, imax, and 3d...



Imax tix are 13.50

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PostOct 31, 2007#286

dweebe wrote:
The Central Scrutinizer wrote:
DeBaliviere wrote:

The Chase does a better job of keeping the riff-raff out.


I've probably heard more cell phones at the Chase than anywhere else.



I think it depends when you go. I only go to Ronnie's on Sat or Sun afternoons for matinees. I would never go there at night.



Come to think of it, I mostly only go to the other places for matinees too.


I do like Ronnies since they added the digital projection in some of the theaters. Though on the weekend that place is a teeny-bopper madhouse.


Much more so at night. During the day they are there too, but they generally don't see the same movies I do. :)

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PostOct 31, 2007#287

They're building a 6-screen cinema at the Jefferson Arms building downtown. You guys and gals know about that, right? Look for it circa 2009. Ref: http://tinyurl.com/2e7jal

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PostOct 31, 2007#288

Is this thread supposed to be a discussion of the Mercantile Exchange or movie theaters?

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PostOct 31, 2007#289

vollum wrote:Is this thread supposed to be a discussion of the Mercantile Exchange or movie theaters?


Maybe there will be movie theatres as part of MX.

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PostOct 31, 2007#290

dweebe wrote:Though on the weekend that place is a teeny-bopper madhouse.


The girls who frequent Ronnie's can be refered to as prostetots.

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PostNov 01, 2007#291

In my view it was fair to compare St. Louis Centre to the Galleria, but MX is more comparable to a place like Boulevard St. Louis. And that is why I think the MX will succeed where STL Centre failed. STL Centre was essentially a rip-off of a suburban mall. The Boulevard is a rip-off of an urban street. Many people will be happy with the rip-off, but a significant minority will want to experience something authentic. MX marks a return of this area -- almost -- to its original purpose. Here's hoping it works.

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PostNov 01, 2007#292

To some people on this forum that comparison is blasphemy. :wink:

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PostNov 01, 2007#293

Is the parking garage just east of the st. louis center part of MX? I walk by weekly and can't help but dream of an ivy covered facade. The parking structure is so hideous that if the owner would just install a crapload of ivy filled planters along the face of wall, in a few years the whole structure would be "green" and pretty to look at!



http://www.robink.ca/blog/wp-content/up ... 06/ivy.jpg

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PostNov 01, 2007#294

LouLou wrote:MX is more comparable to a place like Boulevard St. Louis


I'm not seeing the comparison - Boulevard St. Louis isn't accessible for pedestrians and there aren't thousands that work within a few blocks. It also doesn't have any residential density near it at all.

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PostNov 01, 2007#295

My question to all of the naysayers: what do you suggest Pyramid do?



Are you against them redeveloping the St. Louis Center with the stores facing outward and redoing the Mercantile Exchange to allow for new retail?



Is redoing the streetscape a bad thing?



Are you against outdoor eating areas in this section of town?



Is giving Macy's a reason to improve their downtown store a bad thing?



Is trying to provide a strong link from Kiener Plaza north to the Dome and Washington Avenue a bad thing?



Are you against them actually bringing in stores that people want to shop in to downtown?



Do you not understand the concept that this will be done in phases over 5 years? Do you believe that Pyramid and General Growth will be too dumb to see how things work out as the plan unfolds?



Answer those questions for me.



I don't get it, people are always getting a boner about this or that national retailer going in downtown, but when a developer hires a company that can actually bring some of those stores downtown, they throw a temper tantrum.



This is not going to have a "Grand Opening", it will come online bit by bit. If the market is not there for the retailers, they will not sign the leases. If national retailers do not want the spaces, then they will be leased to more local retailers. If a certain number of storefronts go vacant, it does not mean people do not walk down 6th street or Olive anymore. If the district "fails" they do not close off the streets in the area and there are no glaring reminders. Worst case scenario: we have nicer looking storefronts and streets that are as empty as they were before they were redone. Not to mention a major eyesore redeveloped in an architectural interesting fashion.



This district has as much chance of "failing" as Washington Avenue. It's possible, but it will only be due to people not wanting to eat, drink, shop and hangout downtown, not because this is "the same as St. Louis Center". The MX is the same as Washington Avenue except that it will be managed by one company.



Even this guy can understand the difference:




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PostNov 01, 2007#296

Baby Ruth!?!?!?

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PostNov 01, 2007#297

Rocky road!?!?!?

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PostNov 01, 2007#298

LouLou wrote:In my view it was fair to compare St. Louis Centre to the Galleria, but MX is more comparable to a place like Boulevard St. Louis. And that is why I think the MX will succeed where STL Centre failed. STL Centre was essentially a rip-off of a suburban mall. The Boulevard is a rip-off of an urban street. Many people will be happy with the rip-off, but a significant minority will want to experience something authentic. MX marks a return of this area -- almost -- to its original purpose. Here's hoping it works.
Umm, yeah, and The Boulevard is doing so well too. :roll: You might want to rethink that comparison.

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PostNov 01, 2007#299

I think it‘s vital that these stores in MX are unique, and not found anywhere else in the St Louis metro. If it is, then it should be an outlet store, or a larger or urban-themed store. For instance, if they’re going to put an Old Navy, how about have one with 2 floors, and urban clothing. People from the suburbs wont come downtown, unless they have a unique selection, or a greater one.



The exceptions would be necessity stores ; office supplies, groceries, drug stores, book stores. These things will cater to the office community, or residence, and don’t need the suburban community to survive, so long as the number of downtown residence and workers are adequate .

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PostNov 01, 2007#300

^ Why are we so focused on luring suburbanites downtown? Why wouldn't it be better for there to be retail that simply serves those who live and work downtown?

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