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For those of us not on Twitter, could someone fill me in on who "The Predictor" is, and why his opinion means anything?

framer wrote:For those of us not on Twitter, could someone fill me in on who "The Predictor" is, and why his opinion means anything?

It's Geoff from NextStl and Wholou

I have a hard time listening to Geoff after he reportedly had documents about a CityTarget at Cortex, as I'm sure we all remember how that turned out.

I question this prediction because of the Shake Shack lease. That's a huge win for the developer, and they're going to want to move ahead pretty quickly to deliver on it. Between that, the steady growth of BJC, the Whole Foods opening across the street and the strong track-record of Koman, I have trouble seeing the project experiencing significant delays. Time will tell.

The assertion that the Koman project is "postponed" is totally FALSE. Continued construction activity and confirmation was provided at a neighborhood meeting that the tweet was false.

I wasn't able to take a picture, but a crane went up on Saturday.

It's daintier than the ones I'm used to seeing.

One of those sissy Euro-cranes.

Website is up: http://www.theeuclidstl.com/

Can "- The Euclid" be added to the end of the title of this thread?

wabash wrote:

hey, that Whole Foods is a crane sandwich!

^ Corner of FPP and N. Euclid looks ripe for another tear down, mixed use project

stlgasm wrote:

dredger wrote:^ Corner of FPP and N. Euclid looks ripe for another tear down, mixed use project

Why not just build upon the parking lot and leave Tom's alone?

Great spot for a sliver building.

Other then the southern corners of Lindell & Euclid - the Pickle's Deli / Great Frame Up building seems like the best bet for the continued Euclid building boom. The footprint of the building with its large back portion could make for a more economical development - more like a 9 North Euclid than The Euclid.

stlgasm wrote:

dredger wrote:^ Corner of FPP and N. Euclid looks ripe for another tear down, mixed use project

Why not just build upon the parking lot and leave Tom's alone?

I'm speculating that the surface lot wouldn't be big enough to justify the economics if your talking mixed use/residential is still throw in some parking spots, underground, that the market would demand. Or if you would you have enough space for some street facing retail on Euclid and some inside ground parking spaces in the rear for a couple of stories of residential on a smaller scale.

framer wrote:

stlgasm wrote:

dredger wrote:^ Corner of FPP and N. Euclid looks ripe for another tear down, mixed use project

Why not just build upon the parking lot and leave Tom's alone?

Great spot for a sliver building.

I'd like something to replace the lot, but I think the key here is to get the street-level presence right as opposed to focusing on height, etc.... I'd be more than happy with a well-designed two or three story with street-level retail and maybe office space above. And I want to see Tom's building around as long as possible.... Euclid is a terrific street with terrific character anchored by these types of buildings. While the newer, taller projects have added density, they have been hit-and-miss on the sense-of-place side.

I think more appropriate sites for tear-down would be the 22 Euclid commercial space and the Subway/Community Walgreen's one-story building across from Whole Foods.... that site could be particularly interesting in conjunction with redevelopment of the large surface lot just behind it; I imagine infill fronting West Pine and a tear-down/taller replacement of the Subway building with a parking deck serving both projects and accessed via the alley. Of course infill of the huge Kindred lot at the SW corner of Lindell intersection presents a tremendous opportunity, too.

The Assessor appraises the land and building for Tom's at $261,600. Unbelievable.

Assessed land: $59,400.00
Assessed improvements: $24,300.00
Assessed total: $83,700.00
Appraised total: $261,600.00

^ I'm sure we can expect a couple more tear downs and more density along Euclid in the coming years. The CWE still has a lot of holes, but I suspect that it will be the first neighborhood to be fully "built out" in years.

Wow. 1 floor from ground level. Very much looking forward to seeing this intersection develop once this one starts going vertical.

Thanks for the update!