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Downtown Crestwood would be great, but unless the municipality bought the land I would think the best you could hope for is Westport: Crestwood.

They should replace the mall with an urban style neighborhood

http://www.stltoday.com/business/column ... 025a6.html

Direct quote from the article.

“There is a lot of other retail nearby, and nobody is building regional shopping centers anymore,” Ward said. “Its future is something other than retail, such as multi-family housing. I think building more density is the best thing they can do.”

Wake up St. Louis, your over retailed. St. Louis County should focus on redeveloping for density. Its a completely built out county and the only way I see it from declining is to mature as an urban county.

You're definitely right our region is completely over retailed specially with all these malls its ridiculous. we're just feeding the same companies and residents for the same overall retail experience.No more Malls

So met some friends today at the S-Bucks across from Crestwood - They live around the corner and have heard no definite plans but they did say that there were survey crews out out there a few weeks ago -

For what it's worth, a somewhat argumentative commenter over on NextSTL submitted this cryptic remark (near the bottom of the page) concerning the Crestwood site:

Glad to know there are others that know about the Kraftig secret and what Billy Busch has instore for us! Good things come to those (town) that wait!

http://nextstl.com/2015/03/do-the-math-crestwood-mo/

Urban Street hints at whats coming -

Mixed use, residential, offices, movie theater

Will tear down the entire mall and raise the site

http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/ ... 5b627.html

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Multifamily rentals...

uh, oh. that's not going to go over well with the NIMBY constituent.

beer city wrote:Urban Street hints at whats coming -

Mixed use, residential, offices, movie theater

Will tear down the entire mall and raise the site

http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/ ... 5b627.html

A movie theater would be stupid. They're already putting on in at the new Walmart in Shrewsbury.

shadrach wrote:Ha!
They should tear down 70% of everything along Watson.
What a depressing, depserate, desolate drive that is from the City limits to 270.

I totally agree. Once you get past Mackenzie Point, you can't help but shudder at the desolate suburban wasteland stretching all the way to Sunset Hills. I have to ride past it twice every day and it sometimes makes me sick to my stomach.

How dare you speak ill of King Edwards?! And I'm no kid anymore but that Pole Position place looks like a fun time. The area around Sappington and the mall is pretty dead though. Yorkshire's not so bad. They even have decent bus service. But if they try to do to the Wayside what they did to Coral Court, you can expect hell to be raised!

Hope they can pull off some of what their planning. Crestwood needs more productive land uses and a great place for citizens to gather. The mall used to be that.

What Should Be: A Downtown Crestwood
http://nextstl.com/2014/01/what-should- ... crestwood/

http://nextstl.com/2015/03/do-the-math-crestwood-mo/
http://nextstl.com/2015/03/do-the-math-crestwood-mo/

Isn't the problem with the Crestwood area that the population aged in place so the need for retail collapsed as a result? It is that plus retail moving to Kirkwood and to a lesser extent Gravois Bluffs sealed its fate. (also a number of retailers were of chains that struggled nationally to start) Its especially troubling when you think about the root causes of both of those developments being started in the first place.

^ think so. Its retail success was dependent on people driving in from other munis. Now they are driving elsewhere. The auto-oriented development pattern is fragile. And it's synergizing with fragmentation.

I didn't understand this comment from the article:

Clearly we have (an) extremely low property tax because in the past the sales-tax revenue was completely relied on and wasn't properly saved or planned with ... Money wasn't probably used as wisely it should have been. I think this is a valid discussion that has to happen.

Was he saying they should've socked the sales tax revenue away in a $50mil savings account so they could perpetually draw from it in the event the mall closed? I don't get it.

imperialmog wrote:Isn't the problem with the Crestwood area that the population aged in place so the need for retail collapsed as a result? It is that plus retail moving to Kirkwood and to a lesser extent Gravois Bluffs sealed its fate. (also a number of retailers were of chains that struggled nationally to start) Its especially troubling when you think about the root causes of both of those developments being started in the first place.

Don't forget the 'luxury mall' that the city was backing literally just around the corner from Crestwood plaza. Once houses started getting bought out for that pretty much any retailers still hanging on at the old mall jumped ship.

-RBB

I see there is only 1 narrative welcome here

Was there an announcement regarding Kraftig and the mall site?

I wouldn't think Billy Busch will commit to anything, until he knows officially, that he is out of the running for Grant's Farm. As far as I know, he is still very much in the running, since the Zoo plan involves public funding/new sales tax.

Friendsofbeer wrote:Guess it's not so cryptic now is it? NEXTSTL far from holds the monopoly on inside knowledge of what's really going on in this region. The sad part is the article's author and regular contributors have ego issues and are not able to realize that they may in fact just not know it all.

speaking of ego issues, why are you so combative? Alex and the other contributors over at NextSTL seem to have no problem admitting when they've misreported or misjudged a development as far as I can tell. if you have information to share, why not just share it instead being cryptic and getting all riled up about other people's speculations?