The Bottle District

MattnSTL · PostSep 30, 2005#3012005-09-30T13:53+00:00

I think all four will be successful. They kept talking about everything involved, especially the condo towers, so they definately want to make it happen. I think there is enough demand for the condo units to make it happen. BTW, I have confirmed through multiple outlets that the tallest height is indeed 630'. So we will match the Arch finally. Maybe they will make it taller if enough demand is present.

Edit- Post #1000. Yahoo. Never though I would make it to 1000 in less than a year. Thanks for all of you making this such a lively place.

bastiat · PostSep 30, 2005#3022005-09-30T14:45+00:00

Ummmm...why the heck is there a MILLER LITE tent on the site? That is sacreligious

fountboy · PostSep 30, 2005#3032005-09-30T17:22+00:00

I thought the same thing.

mhbtbd · PostSep 30, 2005#3042005-09-30T21:18+00:00

Miller Lite is doing a sponsorship with KSHE for the Rams games and asked Cabo Wabo to join them. The tent was still up in case it rained during the groundbreaking.

framer · PostOct 01, 2005#3052005-10-01T04:13+00:00

Ah, but Miller and Busch are arch-enemies. Likewise, The Bottle District and Ballpark Village will be battling for tenants. I guess we know whose side Busch is on!

But seriously, I just don't see well-to-do condo buyers chosing the Bottle District over Ballpark Village. The BD may do well for a while as an entertainment district, but I believe all of the residential action will be in the Village. Once they release some new renderings and get the Ballpark Village publicity going, I think the momentum will shift South.

And don't be fooled by a few shovelfulls of dirt...the Bottle District doesn't even have financing in place for the first phase yet, much less for a 630' tall condo tower.

matt drops the h · PostOct 01, 2005#3062005-10-01T06:01+00:00

I'd imagine it would be extremely difficult to fill a residential-only 630' tower without having very large, luxurious units or without designing the building to be very slim or to have lots of open interior space.

mhbtbd · PostOct 05, 2005#3072005-10-05T14:34+00:00

Great editorial in the Post today about The Bottle District & downtown in general.

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/s ... enDocument

arch city · PostOct 05, 2005#3082005-10-05T21:43+00:00

An article from..........

Skyscrapers have to look up to Arch - real rule or urban myth?

By Kara Krekeler

Posted Wednesday, October 5, 2005

The skyscraper shown in this artist?s rendering of the Bottle District, planned for the northern edge of downtown, is almost the same height as the Gateway Arch

While it?s often said that the sky?s the limit, for builders in St. Louis it?s long been said that the Gateway Arch is the limit. But that isn?t necessarily the case. Like the rumors of alligators in the sewers of New York City, the idea that new constructions can?t be any taller than the 630-foot Gateway Arch is pure urban myth.

?We haven?t found anything in the city of St. Louis? saying that you can?t build higher than the Arch, said Bill Olbrich, a librarian in the St. Louis Information Center for the St. Louis Public Library. ?It?s not in the codes, ordinances, resolutions, anything. Everybody?s heard of it, but nobody can find it.?

Olbrich said that such an ordinance wouldn?t be without precedent. In Washington, D.C., it is illegal to build higher than the Washington Monument and several universities have rules that new buildings can?t be taller than a signature building. But in the case of the Gateway Arch, it?s just not true, Olbrich said.

>>>> continued<<<<

trent · PostOct 05, 2005#3092005-10-05T21:49+00:00

I just can't wait to see this rise from the ground. Exciting.

xing · PostOct 06, 2005#3102005-10-06T00:57+00:00

I think I'm actually interested in a residential unit. However, this depends on my situation at the time of completion. I may remain in Chicago. I may not.

metzgda · PostOct 06, 2005#3112005-10-06T12:33+00:00

I found this tidbit from the article above particularly interesting...

Part of the second phase of construction, a 250-unit tower, is slated to be 630 feet tall, although Bottle District Marketing Director Matt Bernsen said the size of the tower would be determined by the interest in a 150-unit tower that will be constructed as part of the first construction phase, which broke ground Sept. 27. In all, 700 condos are planned for the development.

But given the fact that Bernsen said he has received 125 inquiries into buying the condos ? without advertising ? the second tower will likely match the Arch on the St. Louis skyline.

I definately think downtown STL can support new towers of this size - new condo development is overdue - I see a lot of empty nesters buying here.

Expat · PostOct 06, 2005#3122005-10-06T15:45+00:00

^Interesting article in the West End Word.

They say these condos will sell in the medium price range. If that is true, they will sell like hotcakes.

MattnSTL · PostOct 06, 2005#3132005-10-06T17:00+00:00

I am very interested too, but I think a morgtage requires a real job, and that's about 4 years off. Oh well. Maybe I can convince my parents to buy one as an investment.

debaliviere · PostOct 06, 2005#3142005-10-06T17:29+00:00

^

Work out a "rent to own" deal with them!

MattnSTL · PostOct 06, 2005#3152005-10-06T17:30+00:00

I think my dad would go for it, just to say he owned a condo there.

matt drops the h · PostOct 06, 2005#3162005-10-06T19:18+00:00

I would love to live in the Bottle District. I'm aching to be a part of all the redevelopment I'm always telling everyone about. Unfortunately, like the Matt above me, I'm just not financially ready--at all, at this point.

MattnSTL · PostOct 06, 2005#3172005-10-06T19:38+00:00

Looking for a roommate Matt?

matt drops the h · PostOct 06, 2005#3182005-10-06T20:00+00:00

I would need about...10...but, hey, if you're offering, that's one down!

MattnSTL · PostOct 06, 2005#3192005-10-06T20:18+00:00

We could buy a condo for all the Urban Affairs majors. That would be about 10, right.

matt drops the h · PostOct 20, 2005#3202005-10-20T21:13+00:00

Better yet, the entire College of Public Service could move to the Bottle District.

As sad as it would be to move from the beautiful McGannon Hall...

...I think we'd get over it.

debaliviere · PostOct 20, 2005#3212005-10-20T21:32+00:00

You guys actually have class in McGannon? Ugh. That's one building that could benefit from an appointment with the wrecking ball. Replace it with a new/old building like the Cook Hall addition.

matt drops the h · PostOct 20, 2005#3222005-10-20T22:27+00:00

I don't have a class in it this semester, but the GIS lab is located inside that building. A better piece of work is its neighbor, the Humanities Building. It really puts the "ug" in ugly. I mean, that building was meant to be ugly, as it was developed in an architectural style known as "brutalism." That's pretty damn accurate. Brutal is a perfect description. By comparison, McGannon Hall is merely "plain" or "unattractive."

Anyway, back to the Bottle District, (all kidding aside), it would be nice if area universities could create urban campuses on these pedestrian-oriented projects. If SLU moved any one of its "Colleges" to the Bottle District, it could be a small contribution towards a 24-hour atmosphere.

MattnSTL · PostOct 20, 2005#3232005-10-20T22:47+00:00

^I actually have 2 classes in McGannon. I just came from there in fact. It's not as bad on the inside due to good renovations, but the outside is horrible. Ok, now back to the Bottle District.

debaliviere · PostOct 21, 2005#3242005-10-21T02:43+00:00

That humanities building was owned by the Salvation Army when I was in school. All my classes were in Xavier Hall, and you should have seen it then, before it was renovated - not pretty.

Anyway, back to the Bottle District.

trent · PostOct 21, 2005#3252005-10-21T17:46+00:00

I've never taken any classes at SLU, but I've been to West Pine Gym and the Rec Center. I like West Pine because it's so old school and barely sits 10 people.

Anyway, back to the Bottle District.

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