Annexing Kinloch? I haven't heard about this. Is Berkeley swallowing the entire city or just a part of it?
Way to not be parochial. (And I believe a city resident is the one trying to sow fear to begin with...)Ebsy wrote:Scared white people from the County always make me chuckle.bprop wrote:As opposed to them going to sh*t sooner? I'm OK with that. BTW I'm not in unincorporated St Louis County. Residents pay directly for police, fire, public works, parks, etc., directly.urban_dilettante wrote:^^ STL county is losing population too. I hope you're still cool with the parochialism in another decade or two when your services go to sh*t.
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Anyone else notice how today Chief Dotson was asked by a reporter how important it was to have a transparent, detailed press conference immediately after the shooting, and Dotson replied "That's how WE typically do investigations here in the City of St. Louis," as if making a dig at Ferguson and the County's handling of Mike Brown?
Notice also the twitter feeds of Slay, his staff, and various aldermen.
It's interesting and amusing, to say the least.
Notice also the twitter feeds of Slay, his staff, and various aldermen.
It's interesting and amusing, to say the least.
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If I am not mistaken the City handled an officer shooting much better than Ferguson. I think it's time to question who has their house in better order.bprop wrote:As opposed to them going to sh*t sooner? I'm OK with that. BTW I'm not in unincorporated St Louis County. Residents pay directly for police, fire, public works, parks, etc., directly.urban_dilettante wrote:^^ STL county is losing population too. I hope you're still cool with the parochialism in another decade or two when your services go to sh*t.
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^ The Saint Louis City shooting led off NBC and CBS evening news.... one of them showed Dotson talking to the crowd and basically said this is how its supposed to be done. Remember, down on Canfield Ferguson and County police chiefs brought out police dogs and militarization that very first night.
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The whole city.survivor147 wrote:Annexing Kinloch? I haven't heard about this. Is Berkeley swallowing the entire city or just a part of it?
The Boundary Commission is accepting Plans of Intent through July 1, 2016...after that there is a 9 month review and final approval.
the next time slot is 2021...
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Nice! Glad to see one less area on the map become another. Hopefully some good progess will occur that way. Any other land grabs that you're aware of?
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I believe Berkeley was formed either from the original Kinloch Park or as a segregationist response. Whichever the case, I guess it's nice they're finally back together.
And maybe some little mergers will make big mergers easier later...
And maybe some little mergers will make big mergers easier later...
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not that i know, but there is still nearly 2 years to fill plans....maybe this whole Ferguson mess will get people movingsurvivor147 wrote:Nice! Glad to see one less area on the map become another. Hopefully some good progess will occur that way. Any other land grabs that you're aware of?
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Its hard to imagine how the mess in Ferguson will affect people's perceptions. I don't know that there was anything structurally that would have prevented the Brown tragedy but it does seem to bring the notion to the forefront. Its unclear to me whether it has moved the needle toward or away from consolidation.not that i know, but there is still nearly 2 years to fill plans....maybe this whole Ferguson mess will get people moving
That said it's nice to imagine a full merger of Ferguson and Berkeley as well as absorbing Kinloch, Cool Valley and Calverton Park. Making it a town of 32K people and home to 2 Fortune 500 Companies (Emerson Electric), Express Scripts, as well as a division of a DOW30 company Boeing, a major local community college, and a portion of an International Airport.
BTW the charter of the boundary commision is pretty interesting and worth a read.
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The seeming incompetence of the Ferguson PD has been a revelation. Then again, the StL County force didn't look much better.STLEnginerd wrote: Its hard to imagine how the mess in Ferguson will affect people's perceptions. I don't know that there was anything structurally that would have prevented the Brown tragedy but it does seem to bring the notion to the forefront. Its unclear to me whether it has moved the needle toward or away from consolidation.
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I'd like a consolidated city/county with boroughs. That would make a fine Florissant or St. Ferdinand borough.dbInSouthCity wrote:Here is what i want
However, I suppose there's something to be said for a name like Champ as well!
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I don't know if people will agree with me on this or not....
But long after this Ferguson mess is over, if I were living there (and I do not) I would personally want to change the name of my city. I mean perception is everything. I agree with merging all of those Kinloch/Berkeley/Ferguson etc posts, however I think it should take on a new name in hopes that people don't avoid that area like the plague.
But long after this Ferguson mess is over, if I were living there (and I do not) I would personally want to change the name of my city. I mean perception is everything. I agree with merging all of those Kinloch/Berkeley/Ferguson etc posts, however I think it should take on a new name in hopes that people don't avoid that area like the plague.
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I'm not a big fan of changing names of cities in a "re-branding effort" to change the perception of you. Ferguson is one of the oldest cities in North county. Ferguson train station was built in 1855 and was incorporated in 1894. By comparison Berkeley was incorporated in 1937 as a result of racial segregation in Kinloch. Jennings incorporated in 1946. The only city I can think of with a longer and more compelling history in North county is Florissant which has an amazingly long history, having been founded in 1785.But long after this Ferguson mess is over, if I were living there (and I do not) I would personally want to change the name of my city. I mean perception is everything. I agree with merging all of those Kinloch/Berkeley/Ferguson etc posts, however I think it should take on a new name in hopes that people don't avoid that area like the plague.
Perception is not everything. History is at least as important.
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Would larger munis, as a result of consolidation, garner more power in the St. County?
Great Article:
http://www.govexec.com/state-local/2014 ... oref=river
http://www.govexec.com/state-local/2014 ... oref=river
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^ Yep. Unfortunately, the comments demonstrate precisely why St. Louis is in this mess. It's all black people's fault… ugh.matguy70 wrote:Great Article:
http://www.govexec.com/state-local/2014 ... oref=river
It should not be overlooked that the municipal elections in Ferguson take place in April. I would imagine the April electorate is largely white, which is why there is a white republican mayor and a largely white city council.
That's a total "keep the current power structure in place" move.Ebsy wrote:It should not be overlooked that the municipal elections in Ferguson take place in April. I would imagine the April electorate is largely white, which is why there is a white republican mayor and a largely white city council.
The Daily Beast - Ferguson Feeds Off the Poor: Three Warrants a Year Per Household
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... ehold.html
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... ehold.html
Governing - Skyrocketing Court Fines Are Major Revenue Generator for Ferguson
http://www.governing.com/topics/public- ... udget.htmlFerguson's budget relies heavily on public safety and court fines that have skyrocketed in recent years. A review of Ferguson’s financial statements indicates that court fine collections now account for one-fifth of total operating revenue. The St. Louis suburb of about 21,000 residents took in more than $2.5 million in municipal court revenue last fiscal year, representing an 80 percent increase from only two years prior, when fines netted about $1.4 million.
Yep. The sales pitch for most municipalities is representation (on issues that are all but trivial) and safety (from a muni police that is most often I'll equipped to handle major issues). It's beyond me that the large majority of people that continually vote for and support these small munis don't understand their tax dollars could be far better spent. Even more of an irony is this is the same constituency that bags on federal tax waste.quincunx wrote:Governing - Skyrocketing Court Fines Are Major Revenue Generator for Ferguson
http://www.governing.com/topics/public- ... udget.htmlFerguson's budget relies heavily on public safety and court fines that have skyrocketed in recent years. A review of Ferguson’s financial statements indicates that court fine collections now account for one-fifth of total operating revenue. The St. Louis suburb of about 21,000 residents took in more than $2.5 million in municipal court revenue last fiscal year, representing an 80 percent increase from only two years prior, when fines netted about $1.4 million.