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PostOct 29, 2021#376

Target shoppers are pretty loyal (at least I am, lol). People will be shopping at that store simply because it's closer for them than the Brentwood or Hampton locations. I don't think there's a need to have other retailers nearby in order for business to be successful. Although, it would be great if there was more development.

This is a big win for the central corridor. Where else in the area can you buy shampoo, toilet paper, laundry detergent, greeting cards, a phone charger, and some socks in one go?

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PostOct 29, 2021#377

I agree, if anything the Target will act as the anchor for other businesses to pop in. I would love to see this area filled with semi-urban suburban stores. Best Buy, Ulta, Marshall's, TJMaxx, Trader Joe's, etc...

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PostOct 29, 2021#378

If Pier Property is in the chat… PLEASE initiate a TDD (sales tax) to fund a Millennium Bridge over tracks at Theresa! Talk about a statement piece and neighborhood visual anchor!



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PostOct 29, 2021#379

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If Pier Property is in the chat… PLEASE initiate a TDD (sales tax) to fund a Millennium Bridge over tracks at Theresa! Talk about a statement piece and neighborhood visual anchor!


This plus a N/S greenway connection across 64 and through SLU all the way up to Lindell (and beyond)

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PostOct 29, 2021#380

I'd also like a bridge over the viaduct at Spring, please. Thanks.

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PostOct 29, 2021#381

^ I think that’s already happening.

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Ever been to the Target in Brentwood on a Saturday? I'm not exaggerating they'll bring those airport shuttle type buses they run, unload and fill back up to the point where students can't get on and have to wait for the next one.

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PostOct 29, 2021#383

^ to piggyback on Dweebe's comments.  I see this as one more reason why the following needs to happen for the Grand Ave corridor.  Of course it would help if City, SLU & SSM would share the same vision along with a little help from Feds if Dems can ever get there infrastructure bills passed

- Grand Ave BRT
- I64 Grand Ave ramps need overhaul
- Grand Ave/Forest Park Parkway converted to an at grade intersection (along w grander plan to redo Market & FPP mess)

Indirectly, I assume the progress that Steelcote developers are making in some ways make it just a little bit easier for Foundry and Armory to keep things moving forward.   Hopefully, Armory will be able to announce groundbreaking for its next phase considering that Foundry seems to be slowly moving towards groundbreaking on its next phase w FAA applications on crane & buidlings.

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PostOct 30, 2021#385

"We see a lot of demand for housing that has not been supplied"
Wish SLU had seen that re Pevely.
Wish SLU had seen that re QT on Grand.

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PostOct 30, 2021#386

Target to be part of $60 million development in Midtown
Work is expected to start on the project by the end of next month with first residents moving in summer 2023
https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/local/midtown-target-luxury-apartments-grand-st-louis-development/63-86f15169-396f-49f5-ad41-528e4d90a693

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$40M building permit application submitted Oct 27

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PostNov 13, 2021#389

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$40M building permit application submitted Oct 27
Is that for the Target phase/project? 

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PostNov 13, 2021#390

wabash wrote:
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quincunx wrote:
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$40M building permit application submitted Oct 27
Is that for the Target phase/project? 
Yes

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Why the new Midtown Target store is a 'game changer' for retail inside St. Louis city limits
https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... n94Os-xwig
Even before Target signed on the dotted line, Heimburger and retail brokers saw a turning point for Midtown with the $300 million mixed-use City Foundry STL development, which opened St. Louis’ first food hall in August. Prior to the Nov. 10 opening in City Foundry of a new flagship grocery store for Fresh Thyme Market, Midtown had no grocery stores.  Developers plan to bring even more entertainment choices to Midtown as part of 180,000-square-foot The Armory development and the ongoing buildout of City Foundry, where construction has started on the two anchor tenants, mini golf restaurant Puttshack and dine-in cinema Alamo Drafthouse. 

Patrick Willett, a broker with Pace Properties who is working to bring unique or new-to-St. Louis retailers to City Foundry, said it can be difficult to convince national retailers to be trailblazers in the central corridor. Ikea and City Foundry started to overpower those concerns, but Willett said an “iconic” retail brand like Target will serve as a beacon for other retailers looking to locate in St. Louis for the first time.  “Once they get to town and feel the momentum, it becomes a whole lot easier, but you’ve got to get over the hurdles,” Willett said. “When we brought Ikea into Missouri and into the city limits, that was the beginning of credible retail happening in the Midtown area. And now you have Target and Fresh Thyme and Puttshack and Alamo Drafthouse — we’re really starting to build some incredible momentum.”

Spector is on a similar hunt for the retailers that will surround the new Target or future developments around The Edwin. That search got much easier by signing Target, which he called “every retailer’s best co-tenant.” He also credits the new $550 million SSM Health Saint Louis University Hospital, Pier’s existing new apartments already built in Steelcote Square, and the boutique retail experience in the Central West End as key lures for the Target.  A second St. Louis-area Topgolf location could also be coming to SLU-owned land at the northwest corner of South Compton and Chouteau avenues , just a few blocks east of The Edwin. 

“There’s a lot of things that got Target to this point, but Target is going to help us get to that next step after that,” Spector said. “What this can do to an area is so much greater than what people realize. This will be very, very good for the area and the retail market in general.”
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Heimburger said the university is in talks with several large national developers about “transformational opportunities” that could open near campus, though he declined to provide details at this time.

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PostNov 25, 2021#392

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Why the new Midtown Target store is a 'game changer' for retail inside St. Louis city limits
https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... n94Os-xwig
Heimburger said the university is in talks with several large national developers about “transformational opportunities” that could open near campus, though he declined to provide details at this time.
Like, uh, gas stations?   

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PostNov 25, 2021#393

This area is going to be crazy when built out. Hopefully they can keep it somewhat urban with thoughtful pedestrian connections. It would be nice to have a retail center with even half the presence of Brentwood in the central corridor.

The Target and Fresh Thyme are huge and will steal shoppers that would otherwise leave the city limits. Throw in a Trader Joe’s and an Ulta or Sephora and suddenly it’s a rich white girl’s paradise.

Would like to see Best Buy, Bed Bath and Beyond, and Marshall’s/TJMaxx. Apple store might be a pipe dream but I could see it working inside the Foundry.

Either way I can’t help but feel like once the ball gets rolling the area is going to change fast.

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PostNov 25, 2021#394

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Why the new Midtown Target store is a 'game changer' for retail inside St. Louis city limits
https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... n94Os-xwig
Heimburger said the university is in talks with several large national developers about “transformational opportunities” that could open near campus, though he declined to provide details at this time.
Like, uh, gas stations?   
Iron Hill is certainly one of them. I imagine the parcels south of Chouteau are in play as well. Develop Steelcote, Iron Hill and those parcels and you have a hub of activity south of Chouteau, the likes of which has never existed. 

P.S: Another phase is in the works at Steelcote.

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PostNov 26, 2021#395

I'm just curious where the likes of Pier Group and or Lux Living is getting all there capital?  Is at one backer w deep pockets? or multiple investors and banks at this point?  Obviously, signing Target helped big time but it is obvious or at  least to me that some developers are really capable of pushing forward with their proposed projects while at same time pushing more into the pipeline.   As per Chris comments, another steelcote phase in the works and you got Lux Living going on all in with revised Optimists proposal and now Engineers club on top of their Kingshighway.   At same time, OPUS seems to put some projects out there but really waiting to see them break ground whether it is Spruce Street downtown and or Skinker.  

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PostNov 26, 2021#396

Pier has Fireside Financial.

https://firesidefinancial.com/portfolio

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PostNov 26, 2021#397

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I'm just curious where the likes of Pier Group and or Lux Living is getting all there capital?  Is at one backer w deep pockets? or multiple investors and banks at this point?  Obviously, signing Target helped big time but it is obvious or at  least to me that some developers are really capable of pushing forward with their proposed projects while at same time pushing more into the pipeline.   As per Chris comments, another steelcote phase in the works and you got Lux Living going on all in with revised Optimists proposal and now Engineers club on top of their Kingshighway.   At same time, OPUS seems to put some projects out there but really waiting to see them break ground whether it is Spruce Street downtown and or Skinker.  
I don't know how it really works, but I'd say both Pier and Lux having high occupancy rates in their buildings helps when seeking additional dollars for future buildings. Neighborhood occupancy might play a role too. 

Steelcote Lofts and Crossing, while only 48 units, are 100% full. The Flats (phase 3) will open in the Spring, and we'll see how those do. Considering you have Target coming to the area, I imagine Flats and Edwin will fill up (but we'll see).

In the case on Lux, all of their buildings seem to fill up with relative ease, so they have a model that works and seems to be successful no matter where its adopted. In a way, Pier has a model, but it's different from Lux by a lot. Pier is still relatively young and learning as time goes on, so it's hard to specify a firm model.

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PostNov 26, 2021#398

^ & ^^ thanks

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PostNov 26, 2021#399

dredger wrote:
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I'm just curious where the likes of Pier Group and or Lux Living is getting all there capital?  Is at one backer w deep pockets? or multiple investors and banks at this point?  Obviously, signing Target helped big time but it is obvious or at  least to me that some developers are really capable of pushing forward with their proposed projects while at same time pushing more into the pipeline.   As per Chris comments, another steelcote phase in the works and you got Lux Living going on all in with revised Optimists proposal and now Engineers club on top of their Kingshighway.   At same time, OPUS seems to put some projects out there but really waiting to see them break ground whether it is Spruce Street downtown and or Skinker.  
I've also been curious about Lux's financing. Since Tribeca's completion in 2018, only one other building has been sold and two others have opened. Who is helping them finance the 10 other projects?

Tribeca (complete/sold)
Steelyard (complete/sold)
Bordeaux (complete)
Chelsea (complete)
SoHo (construction)
McKenzie (construction)
Hudson (construction)
(KC) Wonderland (construction)
(KC) Katz (planned)
(DEN) Huntley (?)
Optimist (proposed)
Kingshighway (proposed)
(KC) Berkley Riverfront (negotiating) 
Engineer's Club (proposed)

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PostNov 26, 2021#400

Lux put 17 of their buildings on the market earlier this year. Most them older rehabs. Over 800 total units. Not sure if a sale ever came out of it though:
https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... ridor.html

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