What they need to do is past out a year of free rent.
- Gives a chance for a business to be succesful.
- Doesnt make the place look like a FAIL.
- Gives a chance for a business to be succesful.
- Doesnt make the place look like a FAIL.
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As we know, some businesses downtown have artificially low rent. It may be needed to get a foothold and offer amenities for residents, but offering free rent would really distort the market. There would have to be a lot of rules - serious business plans, no duplication of services, etc.
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I don't think it is a problem that the amtrak/greyhound station are to the east, provided spruce and clark are worth walking along.
There's no reason why Union Station couldn't be a major bus interchange. Density aside, Singapore has a mall on top of every subway station, like our metrolink station at Union Station. The difference is that they also have a massive bus interchange, and all sorts of anchor's, like a public library and such.
http://stlelsewhere.blogspot.com/2009/0 ... o-kio.html
How many buses corral at the Amtrak Station?
related to retail, did you guys see this post from a new addition to our blogosphere?
http://stlenergized.blogspot.com/2010/0 ... ional.html
I think his arcade proposal should be weighed in light of what currently exists at Union Station. I don't see much difference between the two.
There's no reason why Union Station couldn't be a major bus interchange. Density aside, Singapore has a mall on top of every subway station, like our metrolink station at Union Station. The difference is that they also have a massive bus interchange, and all sorts of anchor's, like a public library and such.
http://stlelsewhere.blogspot.com/2009/0 ... o-kio.html
How many buses corral at the Amtrak Station?
related to retail, did you guys see this post from a new addition to our blogosphere?
http://stlenergized.blogspot.com/2010/0 ... ional.html
I think his arcade proposal should be weighed in light of what currently exists at Union Station. I don't see much difference between the two.
Did you guys see this KETC video about ArtSpace?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYu94IxY ... tube_gdata
"There's so much parking available. It's really easy just to park, get on the escalator, and come on up. The theater's right here."
Can we do this at Union Station please?
Also, has anyone been paying attention to the consolidation of public agency offices in Union Station in Kansas City?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYu94IxY ... tube_gdata
"There's so much parking available. It's really easy just to park, get on the escalator, and come on up. The theater's right here."
Can we do this at Union Station please?
Also, has anyone been paying attention to the consolidation of public agency offices in Union Station in Kansas City?
Union Station has:
Plenty of parking
A movie theater
It's too bad it got a reputation as both a 'ghetto mall' and a 'tourist mall.' It's screwed.
Plenty of parking
A movie theater
It's too bad it got a reputation as both a 'ghetto mall' and a 'tourist mall.' It's screwed.
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has? had.jmstokes wrote:Union Station has:
Plenty of parking
A movie theater
It's too bad it got a reputation as both a 'ghetto mall' and a 'tourist mall.' It's screwed.
Well, it still exists, it's just not used. I assume the seats and such are still inside.
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It's only "screwed" to people who are stuck in St. Louis circa 2000. My friends and family who visit still find themselves at Union Station, for whatever reason. It has a natural draw and it can be popular again.jmstokes wrote:Union Station has:
Plenty of parking
A movie theater
It's too bad it got a reputation as both a 'ghetto mall' and a 'tourist mall.' It's screwed.
Obviously, the hotel has a different of Union Station as they are putting money back into their facility and expanding the meeting spaces. The Opera house, continued improvement of gateway mall and the conitnuous flow of college sports tournaments will make sure that their is a future at Union Station. Add the possiblity of new office development with a new 22nd street interchange and having a ready made home for a NBA team next door. I think the prospects only get better.
Union Station as a mall failed, St. Louis Centre as a mall failed. However, look and you will realize that they are not malls anymore. St. Louis Centre will finally get street level parking that better caters to its surroundings and Union Station is becoming a magnet for event crowds and will make for ideal business meeting space.
Union Station as a mall failed, St. Louis Centre as a mall failed. However, look and you will realize that they are not malls anymore. St. Louis Centre will finally get street level parking that better caters to its surroundings and Union Station is becoming a magnet for event crowds and will make for ideal business meeting space.
interior malls across the country are pretty much failing... that is why you see malls turining store inside out. Malls in smaller towns = dead. In STL alone: STLCentre, Jamestown, Crestwood, Northwest Plaza to just name a few.
The National Democratic Meeting will be in St. Louis this summer and at Union Station. I would think that the city (vieing forthe DEM Convention in 2012) will be putting some efforts into Union Station and the complex's management/ownerships.
The National Democratic Meeting will be in St. Louis this summer and at Union Station. I would think that the city (vieing forthe DEM Convention in 2012) will be putting some efforts into Union Station and the complex's management/ownerships.
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ideal business meeting space. Again I'll ask,
Does anybody know much about the recent consolidation of public agencies into shared office spaces in Kansas City's Union Station? The way I hear it, they plan to plan for the region together and actually communicate between different departments. Different hands of government actually communicating!
We've got some hotels in Union Station, but do we have much convention space there?
Does anybody know much about the recent consolidation of public agencies into shared office spaces in Kansas City's Union Station? The way I hear it, they plan to plan for the region together and actually communicate between different departments. Different hands of government actually communicating!
We've got some hotels in Union Station, but do we have much convention space there?
The Marriott is expanding significantly into one of the wings of the former mall, including more meeting space. I am excited about the efforts Marriott is putting into it - they're a good chain with a lot of nice facilities.DaronDierkes wrote: We've got some hotels in Union Station, but do we have much convention space there?
I didn't mean to come across as negative as it sounded, above. I love Union Station. Like, seriously love it. It's my metro stop, so I head in there often for something to drink and to gawk. I'd love to see some more shops move in, and maybe a restaurant or two, but I think drastic changes need to happen first. Sadly, I've no idea what those are.
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I must admit I haven't been to Union Station in awhile, but it seems to have at least some life left in it as a food court. Those of you that visit more frequently can fill me in on what's there and what has left, but if Sbarro has redone their space, obviously there is still a need being fulfilled, i.e., inexpensive and informal places to eat for those that work in the area or stay in the nearby hotels.
I think the south wing of the mall can survive with the existing food court and some specialized retailers. Places that offer services might be a big plus since nearby workers and tourists still rely on the place. A quality newsstand, a florist, and a nice jewelry store are some of the types of businesses that I think could thrive at Union Station with the right business model.
That said, I still think that parking under the shed needs to be validated everyday for those that spend any money in the building- not just for special events. Although it's obviously nowhere near Union Station, Macy's has also seriously limited its potential by not doing the same. Culinaria offers free parking with a $10 purchase, so why can't Macy's, and why can't Union Station?
I think the south wing of the mall can survive with the existing food court and some specialized retailers. Places that offer services might be a big plus since nearby workers and tourists still rely on the place. A quality newsstand, a florist, and a nice jewelry store are some of the types of businesses that I think could thrive at Union Station with the right business model.
That said, I still think that parking under the shed needs to be validated everyday for those that spend any money in the building- not just for special events. Although it's obviously nowhere near Union Station, Macy's has also seriously limited its potential by not doing the same. Culinaria offers free parking with a $10 purchase, so why can't Macy's, and why can't Union Station?
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I haven't been following it very well, but every month or so I hear of a new development in KC's Union Station. Most recently the Greater Kansas City Chamber of Commerce moved in. The Kansas City Area Development Council is moving in too. I've heard of at least one or two other major non-profits mentioned as well. The idea is to consolidate the civic leadership in the same place. It also bolsters the retail and restaurants to have all those office workers there. Add a musuem and a major train station, and KC's Union Station is pretty awesome.
It's great that stl's union station has hotels, maybe conference space, and a metrolink station, but if all our downtown nonprofits set up shop inside, the food court would surely become a place of dynamic conversations. Granted, that'd take away from the CBD and other buildings, but it's interesting to think about.
It's great that stl's union station has hotels, maybe conference space, and a metrolink station, but if all our downtown nonprofits set up shop inside, the food court would surely become a place of dynamic conversations. Granted, that'd take away from the CBD and other buildings, but it's interesting to think about.
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^ That is an interesting idea.
Has anyone been to Union Station lately? I am curious about the progress of the renovation and expansion of the Marriott, as I think shrinking the amount of space devoted to retail and expanding the hotel may give the place a new lease on life assuming some new (and appropriate) tenants are courted as well.
Has anyone been to Union Station lately? I am curious about the progress of the renovation and expansion of the Marriott, as I think shrinking the amount of space devoted to retail and expanding the hotel may give the place a new lease on life assuming some new (and appropriate) tenants are courted as well.
According to an article in the Post-Dispatch, work hasn't even started due to a lawsuit by the a contractor against Union Station.threeonefour wrote:^ That is an interesting idea.
Has anyone been to Union Station lately? I am curious about the progress of the renovation and expansion of the Marriott, as I think shrinking the amount of space devoted to retail and expanding the hotel may give the place a new lease on life assuming some new (and appropriate) tenants are courted as well.
Read more here: http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/ ... mode=story
Einstein Bros closed sometime recently. Not sure when.
The whole place is so sad it's not even funny. Seeing out of town visitors there makes me embarrassed.
The whole place is so sad it's not even funny. Seeing out of town visitors there makes me embarrassed.
The demolition is moving along at a pretty good clip. They're taking a lot of stuff out and pretty much every day they're going through a construction dumpster or two.
If you want to see what's going on you can get a good view from above from the windows of the Station Grille
If you want to see what's going on you can get a good view from above from the windows of the Station Grille