St. Louis Union Station retail and restaurants

matt · PostMar 07, 2007#2512007-03-07T15:45+00:00

I think it was originally one of the Rouse company's festival marketplaces. Many of these hit a big low in the 1990s but have since rebounded. I haven't been to the Baltimore Inner Harbour recently but have heard that it is going strong again.

US needs visionary management with a plan.

the central scrutinizer · PostMar 07, 2007#2522007-03-07T16:05+00:00

Matt wrote:I think it was originally one of the Rouse company's festival marketplaces. Many of these hit a big low in the 1990s but have since rebounded. I haven't been to the Baltimore Inner Harbour recently but have heard that it is going strong again.

US needs visionary management with a plan.

As I said earlier in this thread(?), I haven't been there since they stopped having the free concerts on the lake stage and/or parking lot. And I know those brought in a LOT of people. It was a mistake to stop them, no matter what the reason.

On a personal note, The Iguanas were a regular there, performing every summer for several years in a row. I saw them in Portland about 2 years ago, and they had fond memories of performing on the lake stage. They said it was always one of their favorite places to play. Then they asked if they still did that, and I had to break the news. But they did say it explained why they hadn't been invited back!

debaliviere · PostMar 07, 2007#2532007-03-07T16:13+00:00

Did they have to get rid of the old stage when Landry's was built?

the central scrutinizer · PostMar 07, 2007#2542007-03-07T16:37+00:00

DeBaliviere wrote:Did they have to get rid of the old stage when Landry's was built?

No. It is (was?) on the opposite side of the lake. Next to Houlihan's (is that still there?).

debaliviere · PostMar 07, 2007#2552007-03-07T16:43+00:00

The Central Scrutinizer wrote:
DeBaliviere wrote:Did they have to get rid of the old stage when Landry's was built?

No. It is (was?) on the opposite side of the lake. Next to Houlihan's (is that still there?).

As far as I know, it's still there. The ones at the Galleria and Crestwood have both closed.

dweebe · PostMar 07, 2007#2562007-03-07T16:59+00:00

DeBaliviere wrote:
The Central Scrutinizer wrote:
DeBaliviere wrote:Did they have to get rid of the old stage when Landry's was built?

No. It is (was?) on the opposite side of the lake. Next to Houlihan's (is that still there?).

As far as I know, it's still there. The ones at the Galleria and Crestwood have both closed.

Galleria moved to Hanley Rd across from WalMart. Apparently (as a company) Houlihans are moving out of malls to free-standing locations

southslider · PostMar 07, 2007#2572007-03-07T17:08+00:00

I wouldn't be surprised if Houlihan's moves to Ballpark Village from Union Station.

Alex Ihnen · PostMar 07, 2007#2582007-03-07T17:17+00:00

Hmm - anyone else think that BPV may be the death of Union Station? It seems that the station is at/nearing a critical point. The hotel seems successful, but other retail is dwindling. What others use could it serve?

The Union Station in Indianapolis enjoyed a lot of success as a market/retail destination from the early 80's until it closed in 1997. Now it houses a hotel, some offices and the Consulate of Mexico, Indiana Museum of African American History, Japan-America Society of America. What's next for the StL US?

dweebe · PostMar 07, 2007#2592007-03-07T17:34+00:00

Grover wrote:Hmm - anyone else think that BPV may be the death of Union Station? It seems that the station is at/nearing a critical point. The hotel seems successful, but other retail is dwindling. What others use could it serve?

The Union Station in Indianapolis enjoyed a lot of success as a market/retail destination from the early 80's until it closed in 1997. Now it houses a hotel, some offices and the Consulate of Mexico, Indiana Museum of African American History, Japan-America Society of America. What's next for the StL US?

-Expansion of the hotel.

-Office space. (lots of Federal offices in the area: DEA, FBI, Post Office, USDA. I'm sure there's more branches that could move to the US area)

-Residential condos.

threeonefour · PostMar 07, 2007#2602007-03-07T17:47+00:00

southslider wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if Houlihan's moves to Ballpark Village from Union Station.

Or at least to another location downtown. IIRC, there was once a Houlihan's in St. Louis Centre as well.

dweebe · PostMar 07, 2007#2612007-03-07T17:48+00:00

ThreeOneFour wrote:
southslider wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if Houlihan's moves to Ballpark Village from Union Station.

Or at least to another location downtown. IIRC, there was once a Houlihan's in St. Louis Centre as well.

Wasn't it just a Houlihan's bar at the center of the food court?

matt · PostMar 07, 2007#2622007-03-07T17:51+00:00

How about a Casino on the lake?

Places like this seem to be saying, "I'd rather fight than switch," or "If you want this old business model, you'll have to pry it from my cold, dead hand."

It's been said before...get residential and get a connection to potential customers that surround you.

the central scrutinizer · PostMar 07, 2007#2632007-03-07T18:15+00:00

dweebe wrote:
ThreeOneFour wrote:
southslider wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if Houlihan's moves to Ballpark Village from Union Station.

Or at least to another location downtown. IIRC, there was once a Houlihan's in St. Louis Centre as well.

Wasn't it just a Houlihan's bar at the center of the food court?

Yes, I believe you are correct. Wow, that is a loooooooong time ago!

debaliviere · PostMar 07, 2007#2642007-03-07T18:23+00:00

The Missouri Valley Conference should move its headquarters offices there.

tge-atw · PostMar 07, 2007#2652007-03-07T18:38+00:00

Grover wrote:Hmm - anyone else think that BPV may be the death of Union Station? It seems that the station is at/nearing a critical point. The hotel seems successful, but other retail is dwindling. What others use could it serve?

What's next for the StL US?

Once again, I propose the example of Reading Terminal in Philly. Old train station converted into an amazingly successful food market, like soulard, but with more prepared foods, cheese, meat, lunch places etc. And open every day. It is essentially a giant food court where you can shop for groceries as well. With the growth of downtown, a market like this could become viable some day. especially with the metrolink station. But, once again, it would need a critical mass of people living and working nearby to support it.

the central scrutinizer · PostMar 07, 2007#2662007-03-07T18:45+00:00

DeBaliviere wrote:The Missouri Valley Conference should move its headquarters offices there.

Aren't they building a free standing building soon? Or is that not a done deal yet?

matt · PostMar 07, 2007#2672007-03-07T19:03+00:00

Oh yea! The Reading Terminal in Philly is amazing.

Rollin Stanley has said, "Give me density or give me death."

People have to love being around other people. I'm not convinced that there's all that many St. Louisans that really like urban environments. Too many bunnies and not enough bulls.

debaliviere · PostMar 07, 2007#2682007-03-07T19:14+00:00

The Central Scrutinizer wrote:
DeBaliviere wrote:The Missouri Valley Conference should move its headquarters offices there.

Aren't they building a free standing building soon? Or is that not a done deal yet?

They were talking of building one on the city-owned parking lot just south of the Scottrade Center.

bonwich · PostMar 07, 2007#2692007-03-07T19:20+00:00

The Houlihan's in St. Louis Centre was Mike Houlihan's Bar, which had no relation to the then-Gilbert-Robinson Houlihan's other than Mike Houlihan's won a trademark fight (and $$$) over use of the name.

the central scrutinizer · PostMar 07, 2007#2702007-03-07T19:30+00:00

bonwich wrote:The Houlihan's in St. Louis Centre was Mike Houlihan's Bar, which had no relation to the then-Gilbert-Robinson Houlihan's other than Mike Houlihan's won a trademark fight (and $$$) over use of the name.

Wow, I did not know that! Thanks!

dweebe · PostMar 07, 2007#2712007-03-07T19:35+00:00

DeBaliviere wrote:
The Central Scrutinizer wrote:
DeBaliviere wrote:The Missouri Valley Conference should move its headquarters offices there.

Aren't they building a free standing building soon? Or is that not a done deal yet?

They were talking of building one on the city-owned parking lot just south of the Scottrade Center.

On a related note, that lot will be used as a beer garden during the "Frozen Four" NCAA hockey championship next month. Since that event is an official NCAA event they can't sell beer inside the arena. So to get around it they'll have a tent on that lot for drinkers.

Brett Hull Way (Clark Ave) in front of Scottrade will not be a pretty sight. Wear your bad shoes.

(The MVC championship had liquor because it's not on a campus and it's not run by the NCAA. Same thing for SLU games.)

PostMar 24, 2007#2722007-03-24T15:35+00:00

Looks like the old Route 66 Microbrewery spot will get something new. The sign facing Market on the outside of the mall has been taken down and a kinda cheesey/cheap looking neon sign saying TKO Sports Grill has been put up. I'll have to check it out this week and see what's going on.

matguy70 · PostApr 04, 2007#2732007-04-04T14:52+00:00

Union Station Events:

mophipsi · PostApr 04, 2007#2742007-04-04T15:00+00:00

The last palce I want our visitors going is Union Station...something has to be done with this palce quick...its bleeding badly

dweebe · PostApr 04, 2007#2752007-04-04T15:11+00:00

mophipsi wrote:The last palce I want our visitors going is Union Station...something has to be done with this palce quick...its bleeding badly

Exactly.

The Teddy Bear Shop (not to be confused with the Build-a-Bear place at the Galleria) closed up shop this last weekend. Another empty storefront to great visitors.

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