I think what has been built around the signature hall over time is what really diminishes the Main Terminal. From the addhoc approach to concourses (Please tear down D and give up on the narrow little hallway as a security checkpoint for B). metrolink station add on, to airport offices all over the place, and a parking garage that limits access unless you park there. With an over capacity of gates and willingness to invest in the future you could make some significant changes while maintaining the jewel of the ticketing hall and a functioning terminal at the same time.
^ Exactly. There is no reason to take down the main ticking level, it is the rest of the building (such as the baggage claim area, gates, etc) that need to be demolished or gutted.
Framer wrote:If you guys want to tear down the East Terminal, that's fine with me. But hands off the Main Terminal.
The concourses areas need to complement the main terminal. Once you have your ticket in hand, you leave a magnificent space to go down into a claustrophobic mess. The ticketing level evokes ideas of the days when people would get dressed up to get on a plane. The concourses evoke ideas of everything that sucks about air travel.
I wish there was a way that C/D could be torn down, and then make the entrance to the concourse be from the east end of the ticketing level, rather than directing people down into the lover level of the main terminal building.
Noticed that they have their new baggage claim M6 up and running this evening. Sorry, I don't have a camera phone. Certainly bigger then the existing ones and quieter. It seems like all the baggage came wheels up (just odd)
Monday, February 2, 2009, 1:50pm EST
USA3000 expands to St. Petersburg-Clearwater International
Tampa Bay Business Journal
On May 1, USA3000 will resume service to St. Petersburg-Clearwater International Airport from Cleveland Hopkins International Airport and St. Louis Lambert International Airport. USA3000 ceased service from these destinations last August when fuel costs reached record levels.
Its Chicago route, which it resumed last December, will continue through April.
High customer demand for these routes was a key factor in the company’s decision to resume service, a release said.
full article:
http://www.bizjournals.com/tampabay/sto ... ily12.html
USA3000 expands to St. Petersburg-Clearwater International
Tampa Bay Business Journal
On May 1, USA3000 will resume service to St. Petersburg-Clearwater International Airport from Cleveland Hopkins International Airport and St. Louis Lambert International Airport. USA3000 ceased service from these destinations last August when fuel costs reached record levels.
Its Chicago route, which it resumed last December, will continue through April.
High customer demand for these routes was a key factor in the company’s decision to resume service, a release said.
full article:
http://www.bizjournals.com/tampabay/sto ... ily12.html
Airtran adding flights to Milwaukee (2 daily) from STL....
http://www.jsonline.com/business/393704 ... titialskip
AirTran to add nonstop flights to St. Louis, Minneapolis, Denver, Branson, Mo.
By Tom Daykin of the Journal Sentinel
Posted: Feb. 10, 2009 10:33 a.m.
AirTran Airways will add St. Louis, Minneapolis, Denver and Branson, Mo., to its list of nonstop destinations from Milwaukee as part of its local service expansion, the carrier announced today.
Orlando, Fla.-based AirTran has never flown to those cities from Mitchell International Airport and will begin service to those destinations in May.
Airlines typically add flights and destinations during peak summer travel periods. AirTran said it will maintain service to St. Louis, Minneapolis and Branson year-round, but it will end seasonal service to Denver on Sept. 8.
In addition to the new routes, AirTran will convert three destinations that are now seasonal - Los Angeles, Boston and Tampa, Fla. - to year-round service. Flights to Los Angeles will return April 14, service to Boston will return May 21, and winter seasonal service to Tampa will be maintained year-round.
In addition, summer seasonal service to San Francisco and Seattle will be extended to Oct. 30 and could be added to the roster of year-round flights in the future.
As a result, AirTran will offer 30 daily departures from Milwaukee this summer, up from 21 departures in summer 2008. The number of seats available per week on departing flights will grow 39% year over year. The airline will offer nonstop service to 18 destinations from Milwaukee, an increase from 14 destinations last summer.
AirTran's current schedule has 19 daily departures from Milwaukee to nine cities.
AirTran considers Milwaukee one of its strongest potential growth markets, in part because of the 40% national schedule cutback by Oak Creek-based Midwest Airlines Inc. last fall. Midwest made deep schedule cuts and outsourced much of its operations to save money as fuel prices spiked in 2008 and the recession later sapped demand for travel.
In December, Midwest's market share at Mitchell, which for several years was at or above 50%, stood at 38%, according to airport data. AirTran's market share was about 18% in December. Delta Air Lines Inc. (DAL), through its recent purchase of Northwest Airlines Corp., had market share of around 24%.
AirTran's corporate parent, AirTran Holdings Inc. (AAI), mounted a hostile take over attempt of Midwest that failed in 2007 when AirTran was outbid by TPG Capital and Northwest Airlines.
http://www.jsonline.com/business/393704 ... titialskip
AirTran to add nonstop flights to St. Louis, Minneapolis, Denver, Branson, Mo.
By Tom Daykin of the Journal Sentinel
Posted: Feb. 10, 2009 10:33 a.m.
AirTran Airways will add St. Louis, Minneapolis, Denver and Branson, Mo., to its list of nonstop destinations from Milwaukee as part of its local service expansion, the carrier announced today.
Orlando, Fla.-based AirTran has never flown to those cities from Mitchell International Airport and will begin service to those destinations in May.
Airlines typically add flights and destinations during peak summer travel periods. AirTran said it will maintain service to St. Louis, Minneapolis and Branson year-round, but it will end seasonal service to Denver on Sept. 8.
In addition to the new routes, AirTran will convert three destinations that are now seasonal - Los Angeles, Boston and Tampa, Fla. - to year-round service. Flights to Los Angeles will return April 14, service to Boston will return May 21, and winter seasonal service to Tampa will be maintained year-round.
In addition, summer seasonal service to San Francisco and Seattle will be extended to Oct. 30 and could be added to the roster of year-round flights in the future.
As a result, AirTran will offer 30 daily departures from Milwaukee this summer, up from 21 departures in summer 2008. The number of seats available per week on departing flights will grow 39% year over year. The airline will offer nonstop service to 18 destinations from Milwaukee, an increase from 14 destinations last summer.
AirTran's current schedule has 19 daily departures from Milwaukee to nine cities.
AirTran considers Milwaukee one of its strongest potential growth markets, in part because of the 40% national schedule cutback by Oak Creek-based Midwest Airlines Inc. last fall. Midwest made deep schedule cuts and outsourced much of its operations to save money as fuel prices spiked in 2008 and the recession later sapped demand for travel.
In December, Midwest's market share at Mitchell, which for several years was at or above 50%, stood at 38%, according to airport data. AirTran's market share was about 18% in December. Delta Air Lines Inc. (DAL), through its recent purchase of Northwest Airlines Corp., had market share of around 24%.
AirTran's corporate parent, AirTran Holdings Inc. (AAI), mounted a hostile take over attempt of Midwest that failed in 2007 when AirTran was outbid by TPG Capital and Northwest Airlines.
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Well that's good news. Think they'll utilize more unused gates in the B terminal or just stick to the 2 they currently use? My guess would be that they stick to the 2 they still use since they are only addition 2 more additional flights.
AirTran adding new service to Milwaukee
AirTran Airways has announced it is expanding operations at Lambert-St. Louis International Airport with new service to Milwaukee's General Mitchell International Airport. AirTran will operate two daily non-stop flights to Milwaukee starting May 21, 2009.
St. Louis passengers already have non-stop service on AirTran Airways to Atlanta and Orlando. AirTran currently operates three daily flights to those destinations from Concourse B. Passengers can now connect to another 15 destinations through MIlwaukee including Seattle, San Francisco, San Diego, Minneapolis and Boston.
AirTran Airways is offering introductory one-way fares to Milwaukee from STL for as low as $59.
FROM Lambert STL International website.
AirTran Airways has announced it is expanding operations at Lambert-St. Louis International Airport with new service to Milwaukee's General Mitchell International Airport. AirTran will operate two daily non-stop flights to Milwaukee starting May 21, 2009.
St. Louis passengers already have non-stop service on AirTran Airways to Atlanta and Orlando. AirTran currently operates three daily flights to those destinations from Concourse B. Passengers can now connect to another 15 destinations through MIlwaukee including Seattle, San Francisco, San Diego, Minneapolis and Boston.
AirTran Airways is offering introductory one-way fares to Milwaukee from STL for as low as $59.
FROM Lambert STL International website.
More flights added.
USA3000, Delta adding more flights
By Ken Leiser
St. Louis Post-Dispatch
USA3000 Airlines and Delta Air Lines have added one flight each out of Lambert-St. Louis International Airport.
USA3000 will resume service from St. Louis to St. Petersburg-Clearwater on May 1. The airline had previously ceased service amid high fuel prices, said Lambert spokesman Jeff Lea. But the airline returned the service largely in response to customer demand.
Delta will add one daily round-trip between Lambert and Salt Lake City. The airline already has two daily non-stop flights to Salt Lake. Lambert officials said the added flight will begin in June.
USA3000, Delta adding more flights
By Ken Leiser
St. Louis Post-Dispatch
USA3000 Airlines and Delta Air Lines have added one flight each out of Lambert-St. Louis International Airport.
USA3000 will resume service from St. Louis to St. Petersburg-Clearwater on May 1. The airline had previously ceased service amid high fuel prices, said Lambert spokesman Jeff Lea. But the airline returned the service largely in response to customer demand.
Delta will add one daily round-trip between Lambert and Salt Lake City. The airline already has two daily non-stop flights to Salt Lake. Lambert officials said the added flight will begin in June.
Good story about a great airport in PD. Unfortunately, not our airport.
HOK turns airport into a showcase
By Christopher Boyce
ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH
03/06/2009
Check out the special touches at Indianapolis International Airport today and you'll see tight security tempered with a calming atmosphere where travelers and visitors can gather.
There are plentiful check-in counters. Before the security gate there's a spacious plaza, with shops and restaurants, for travelers and those dropping them off or picking them up.
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/busine ... enDocument
Maybe we can get HOK to give us tips. Heck, maybe drop that marketing consultant and keep the money closer to home.
HOK turns airport into a showcase
By Christopher Boyce
ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH
03/06/2009
Check out the special touches at Indianapolis International Airport today and you'll see tight security tempered with a calming atmosphere where travelers and visitors can gather.
There are plentiful check-in counters. Before the security gate there's a spacious plaza, with shops and restaurants, for travelers and those dropping them off or picking them up.
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/busine ... enDocument
Maybe we can get HOK to give us tips. Heck, maybe drop that marketing consultant and keep the money closer to home.
I believe the City of St. Louis voters passed a $1-billion bond issue - unrelated to W1W - for Lambert early this decade. The city, based on my understanding, is holding tight on it. There is a master plan in process for the entire airport.Gary Kreie wrote:How did they pay for it? Can we use the same formula?
Thoughts, while traveling today: I would kill for food at Lambert that won't kill me back.
I'm on a layover at O'Hare right now and came across a little boutique shop that had food like hummus and noodles, and an array of bottled drinks that were at least a little bit better for you than a Mountain Dew.
It seems like your only options for food at Lambert are either stuff that's swimming in grease or are soggy grab-n-go sandwiches that were probably made yesterday.
I'm on a layover at O'Hare right now and came across a little boutique shop that had food like hummus and noodles, and an array of bottled drinks that were at least a little bit better for you than a Mountain Dew.
It seems like your only options for food at Lambert are either stuff that's swimming in grease or are soggy grab-n-go sandwiches that were probably made yesterday.
^ You mean there are no healthy options at Jodi Maroni's Sausage Kingdom?
ben1040 wrote:Thoughts, while traveling today: I would kill for food at Lambert that won't kill me back.
I'm on a layover at O'Hare right now and came across a little boutique shop that had food like hummus and noodles, and an array of bottled drinks that were at least a little bit better for you than a Mountain Dew.
It seems like your only options for food at Lambert are either stuff that's swimming in grease or are soggy grab-n-go sandwiches that were probably made yesterday.
There is apparently something new opening up on the A concourse. I saw the sign last week, but no indication of what it will be. I agree with the above sentiments, and the quality of the fresh food stands in O'Hare (specifically the one between Terminal 1 & 2). The best option at O'Hare is the Berghoff Cafe for fresh real turkey & such.
The best options at STL are, well, not at the airport. I hate eating there, especially in Terminal A.
JMStokes wrote:ben1040 wrote:Thoughts, while traveling today: I would kill for food at Lambert that won't kill me back.
I'm on a layover at O'Hare right now and came across a little boutique shop that had food like hummus and noodles, and an array of bottled drinks that were at least a little bit better for you than a Mountain Dew.
It seems like your only options for food at Lambert are either stuff that's swimming in grease or are soggy grab-n-go sandwiches that were probably made yesterday.
There is apparently something new opening up on the A concourse. I saw the sign last week, but no indication of what it will be. I agree with the above sentiments, and the quality of the fresh food stands in O'Hare (specifically the one between Terminal 1 & 2). The best option at O'Hare is the Berghoff Cafe for fresh real turkey & such.
The best options at STL are, well, not at the airport. I hate eating there, especially in Terminal A.
When I was in A concourse last week, they had a sign at that old NWA gate saying a new concession was coming. It got my hopes up until I flew out of A yesterday, when they had a new sign up saying it was a Starbucks.
Whatever became of the Mosaic and Imo's that were supposed to come in? 2 years ago when the concessionaire got their contract renewed they were supposedly going to bring in some local flavor. Granted, I'm not saying either are healthy, but at least are something other than a Starbucks or Wolfgang Pucks.
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Postponed until the economy picks up again, same thing that impacted the spa company going in.ben1040 wrote:Whatever became of the Mosaic and Imo's that were supposed to come in? 2 years ago when the concessionaire got their contract renewed they were supposedly going to bring in some local flavor. Granted, I'm not saying either are healthy, but at least are something other than a Starbucks or Wolfgang Pucks.
um, why is the city even charging rent. the restaurants should just pay for their operating expenses. Man, i wish City Hall wasn't in charge of the airport. what a joke.
JCity wrote:um, why is the city even charging rent. the restaurants should just pay for their operating expenses. Man, i wish City Hall wasn't in charge of the airport. what a joke.
Then there wouldn't be any incentive to inject corruption into the lucrative shoe-shine business at STL.
Jcity, I would disagree. The airport is self supporting and doesn't use taxes to pay for operations. Instead they rely on rents, gate fees and ticket fees. They can't give space away for free and charging airlines or passengers higher fees will only drive business down in the long run. People are travelling based on pricing, availability and options. Good restaraunt/eatery selections is desired but is far from a priority in my mind.
I think the biggest problem the city has is the number of gates and configuration is from a past gone TWA era. I would love to see two concourses coming off the main terminal with a centrally located food court. Right now it is a mess. Wishfull thinking
I think the biggest problem the city has is the number of gates and configuration is from a past gone TWA era. I would love to see two concourses coming off the main terminal with a centrally located food court. Right now it is a mess. Wishfull thinking
Cmon now, what airport doesn't charge rent for its facilities?JCity wrote:um, why is the city even charging rent. the restaurants should just pay for their operating expenses. Man, i wish City Hall wasn't in charge of the airport. what a joke.
The new luggage carousels are really nice. The open form of them makes it much easier for you to see your bag coming up from the basement and jockey for a position to grab it while hip-checking everyone else waiting around the carousel.
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Glad to hear progress is being made.ben1040 wrote:The new luggage carousels are really nice. The open form of them makes it much easier for you to see your bag coming up from the basement and jockey for a position to grab it while hip-checking everyone else waiting around the carousel.
To anyone who works with the StL Blues organization:
Ever consider an advertising campaign based around people "hip-checking" each other around the carousel? This could be a good ad and site for branding on the actual carousels.
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We flew back from Orlando on Continental a couple of weeks ago, and were initially not impressed with the new carosel when only one of our 3 bags popped out promptly. The other two never did. Then we discovered they had beaten us to St. Louis via a previous flight and were waiting at the luggage claim office.
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just got back from Miami the bags beat us to the carosel. I HATE checking bags, but this experience is making me reconsider. Wait, I paid $15/bag.