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I agree Grover. The East Terminal station walk is at least under roof through the garage. If you park and fly at the east terminal you would have the same walk almost. Good point(s).

Nah,

As a frequent traveler, during the winter and when flying southwest (East Terminal) and I will try to find another way home rather than waiting for the metro.



When you just miss that train... you will now be waiting 20 mins in the COLD. Screw that. Plus if it is raining hard, you still get wet because there is no roof, just an overhang.

New restaurants in the main terminal are now open. Brioche Dorée is a French bakery cafe and Missouri Vineyards a wine bar featuring selections from local vineyards.









http://www.flystl.com

Stellar. I don't care for Brioche Doree much (there's one in LAX), but I'll check out the vineyard restaurant before my next flight on Monday.

This was posted over at the CA forum on stltoday. (Take it for it's worth) OUCH



"From the horses mouth:



With rising costs of fuel and American undergoing capacity reductions, the remainder of the American hub in St. Louis is likely to close in October when fall/winter cuts are implemented.



From potentially 228 flights a day in 2006 to what I would guess as 30 in 2010. What a shame.



Chicago will also take a substantial hit as well."



http://www.stltoday.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=634859

That wouldn't surprise me, to be honest, but I don't think it will happen.



AA can't handle the volume to all the 2nd and 3rd tier cities that the STL hub services through ORD, as it is already at capacity. DFW could handle a bit more, likely, but routing 90% of their traffic through one hub doesn't seem like a great idea.



If they did, I'd love to see everything consolidate into the C gates. I took a walk to the end of the gates, and was shocked to see how many gates are just completely walled off. That's a very nice section of terminal, too. The A gates could go completely and serve everything through B/C.



I'm amazed at how huge Lambert is for the flights it gets now. I didn't fly when TWA was around, but wish I had...

From potentially 228 flights a day in 2006 to what I would guess as 30 in 2010. What a shame.

Can you substantiate this claim? If not, you are a fear monger.

The Count wrote:

From potentially 228 flights a day in 2006 to what I would guess as 30 in 2010. What a shame.

Can you substantiate this claim? If not, you are a fear monger.

Dude, that's a quote from CA in stltoday.com. I didn't add anything but OUCH.



Lay off.

^ Fair enough, but the person you're quoting states that they're getting the info second-hand. That's a few too many operators to lend it much weight. Just saying that you may want to identify it as a rumor. (I guess you basically did that, but apparently it wasn't clear to all!)

Grover wrote:^ Fair enough, but the person you're quoting states that they're getting the info second-hand. That's a few too many operators to lend it much weight. Just saying that you may want to identify it as a rumor.

So "Take it for it's worth" isn't good for you? And one more question, if this rumor were good news would you be asking this?

sirshankalot wrote:

Grover wrote:^ Fair enough, but the person you're quoting states that they're getting the info second-hand. That's a few too many operators to lend it much weight. Just saying that you may want to identify it as a rumor.

So "Take it for it's worth" isn't good for you? And one more question, if this rumor were good news would you be asking this?

Good enough for me, but maybe not clear enough for an Internet forum. Yes.

The Count wrote:

From potentially 228 flights a day in 2006 to what I would guess as 30 in 2010. What a shame.

Can you substantiate this claim? If not, you are a fear monger.

Count, can you guide us to how many 30 is?



1, muwahahah.

2, muwahahah....





Anyway, on topic, I checked around on Flyertalk and Airliners.net and didn't see any mention of this. I think it's bogus. Yes, airlines are cutting back, no AA couldn't cut back that much without harming their overall route network.



All flights into/out of STL I've taken in the last few months have been completely full, too.

Grover wrote:

I guess you basically did that, but apparently it wasn't clear to all!

Don't worry Grover, it was very clear, not just to you.



But that's not the issue. The issue is that unsubstantiated stories like these are nothing but that: rumors. We've seen before on this forum how people come up with stuff that turns out to be completely false and damaging to the businesses involved.



I don't know what's going to happen with American's schedule in the fall.



What I do know is that Lambert just hired Stifel, Nicolaus & Co, Stern Brothers & Co and Goldman Sachs to handle the sale of $ 125 million in bonds for new renovations at the airport. Lambert is communicating with American and the other airlines since they are going to be paying for part of these upgrades. Therefore, I find it unlikely that such a huge cut would occur.



Does that mean it couldn't happen? No. But let's get the facts first.

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forum ... n/4444627/



The long and short of the St. Louis angle is that AA had previously announced 6.5% of the 7.5% reductions earlier this year. So what remains is a 1% reduction in capacity.

^

Thanks CJ. I've seen these figures and I hope and expect them to reflect the actual situation. However, AA has dropped some very nasty bombs before. 2003, anyone?



The fact that Lambert is going ahead with the bonds sale makes me a little more confident that we're relatively safe this time around.

I'm not sure of the severity, but i'm pretty sure an announcement will be made soon regarding cutbacks. Was there one today? I'm swamped at work and haven't read all the posts.

^ AA announced a cut in 2.6% of its workforce, or 1600 employees. Ref: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... DkaopjQ_4I



Fitch Downgrades St. Louis, MO Lambert-St. Louis Intl. Airport Revs to 'BBB'; Outlook to Negative. Ref: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Fitch-Dow ... 03150.html

At the same time Standard & Poor's raised Lambert's debt rating from BBB+ to A- with a stable outlook.



http://stlouis.bizjournals.com/stlouis/ ... ily10.html



Maybe there are some financial wizards here that could explain.

Grover wrote:^ Fair enough, but the person you're quoting states that they're getting the info second-hand. That's a few too many operators to lend it much weight. Just saying that you may want to identify it as a rumor. (I guess you basically did that, but apparently it wasn't clear to all!)

I readily admit that it's a rumor, and I hope it's not true. But I've heard the same rumour about a week ago from two friends in the news business. It may be nothing more than newsroom gossip, but it is making the rounds.

Let's keep HEARSAY off of these boards.



The Post Disgrace Forums are just that. Anyone can post anything.

It is NOT "news".

From what I've seen on an airline enthusiast's website, AA will be cutting 18 flights this fall - 8 mainline, 10 regional.



STL will lose non-stop service to Las Vegas and San Diego. Boston flights will be cut from 3 to 1.



Greg

^ YIKES! I fly to Boston at least once a month. There are currently three direct flights a day: 6:30am, 2:00pm and 6:00pm. I have been on each at least once in the past six months and though they're never full they're far from empty. My job just got worse.

Here's the officially announced AA mainline cutback per Nov 19:



St. Louis - Boston From 3 to 1 Daily

St. Louis - Chicago From 10 to 9 Daily

St. Louis - Dallas From 9 to 8 Daily

St. Louis - Las Vegas CANCELLED

St. Louis - Los Angeles From 4 to 3 Daily

St. Louis - San Diego CANCELLED

St. Louis - Seattle From 2 to 1 Daily

Las Vegas daily outbound access: [total: 8 nonstops/direct]

Southwest offers 9 flights daily outbound - 4 nonstop, 4 w/one stop (no connection in one other city - 1 w/ connection in Denver



Dallas daily outbound access: [total: 15 nonstops]

8 American (after Nov 19) nonstops, 7 Southwest nonstops



Chicago daily outbound access: [total: 29 nonstops]

9 American nonstops, 10 Southwest nonstops, 10 United nonstops



Boston and Seattle will take biggest hits with 1 less nonstop each day on American. Boston is most surprising - but it will be interesting to see if another carrier p/u's service.



San Diego is a loss. Southwest provides service direct but not nonstop.

This service is always full on American and flown on big planes - so it is very interesting.



Philadelphia is also being cut. However there are 8 nonstops on USairways and Southwest daily.





http://www.usatoday.com/travel/flights/ ... cuts_N.htm



http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/stor ... ily12.html