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PostAug 08, 2008#676

shihchi wrote:To set the record straight about the Lambert Expansion:



The project was developed and approved by the airport and the FAA, not the design and construction firms that later participated in the project.



The project did not involve public money. If you flew, you paid for it. If you didn’t fly, you didn’t pay for it.



Some pilots were for it; some were against it. Opponents said that aircraft taxiing to the far end of the new runway would make it inefficient, failing to mention that virtually no aircraft would be required to taxi to that end of the runway. Reality since the new runway has opened verifies the latter point; aircraft depart to the west and land from the west, so they taxi to and from the end nearest to the terminal.



Like all airports, Lambert has an obligation to provide an efficient airfield to airlines, so they can efficiently serve passengers. In the 1990s, TWA was Lambert’s major carrier, thus the airport had an obligation to provide TWA with an efficient airfield. The new runway would do that, so the airport built it. Delays because of weather in St. Louis have, in fact, decreased since the new runway opened, which was what it was designed for.



The factors that did in TWA and have thrown commercial aviation into its chaotic status were unprecedented, and no one predicted them in the 1990s. The predictions that were made by opponents in the 1990s have not occurred.


The runway was designed primarily for landings to the west parallel with landings on the north runway. Planes landing on the new runway would, in fact, have significant time and distance factors as far as taxiing. The only way the whole thing could make anything resembling sense is for an airside complex to be built between the new runway and the strip in front of the terminals.



In light of what has happened in the airline industry here, air traffic has dropped so much due to TWA's demise and AA's significant drop in the number of flights that delays are pretty much a non-issue.

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PostAug 08, 2008#677

Dating back to prior to the beginning of construction, the plan was for aircraft to arrive from the west and depart to the west on the new runway, thus taxiing to the end nearest the terminal. Obviously, runways are designed so aircraft can arrive and depart from either end. But going back at least seven years, there was no intention for aircraft to taxi to or from the west end of the runway, except in certain weather conditions that occur less than 1% of the time.



Yes, as the number of flights at Lambert dropped, so, too, did the quantity of those delayed by local weather. But the percent of flights delayed has dropped. This is only important for passengers flying in poor weather conditions. For those passengers, their travel is no longer delayed as it would have been had the new runway not been built.

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PostAug 08, 2008#678

The location of the runway was the best option for the airport. It needed another runway, but had no land to build it. Is the location of the runway perfect? Of course it isn't, but Lambert was locked in and the location of the runway was the best option for the situation. There are probably dozens of things wrong about the runway that you can think of, but when it was planned and designed it needed to be built. The pros to the development far out weighed to cons at the time, and I believe that they still do. Having the new runway makes lambert more attractive for airlines and cargo. All we need is some aggressive lobbying to build the usage of the runways back up.

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PostAug 09, 2008#679

We welcome the representatives of the RCGA and the airport commission to our forum.



On the subject of weather delays, total boardings at Lambert right now are approximately one-half of what they were in 2000. Thus any comparison of percentage of flights delayed by weather is moot, since you have both twice as much runway and half as many flights.



On the subject of Lambert expansion and Lambert being "attractive," I don't think there's any rational basis for expecting this to happen.

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PostAug 09, 2008#680

Yes, the magnitude of weather delays is less because the volume is less. The reduction in weather delays probably isn't moot, however, if you're a traveler sitting on a flight in poor weather (I was in that situation recently). Odds are better you'll take off on time now than they used to be. Discussing whether the runway should have been built, as has been pointed out, is moot at this point. At the same time, it's important for the public record that facts are accurately portrayed, which was the reason for my initial posting. Because domestic commercial aviation is in such an unprecedented upheaval, Lambert and other commercial airports are in uncharted waters.

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PostSep 11, 2008#681

USA TODAY:

Airport Check-in: Added NYC, Vegas links; new way to board



"ST. LOUIS: Rocking chairs rock, so Lambert to add more



A year after introducing 70 rocking chairs throughout its gate seating areas, St. Louis Lambert says it will add 60 more. Rocking chairs are becoming more common at airports throughout the country, as terminals are trying to add more passenger-friendly amenities. St. Louis says the chairs have been so popular that it's often difficult for fliers to find a vacant one. "











READ FULL ARTICLE:

http://www.usatoday.com/travel/flights/ ... ckin_N.htm

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PostSep 11, 2008#682

"SOUTHAMPTON: Deck chairs please passengers, so Titanic to add more



A year after introducing 70 deck chairs throughout its deck promenade areas, White Star Lines says it will add 60 more. Deck chairs are becoming more common on passenger vessels throughout the world, as ocean liners are trying to add more passenger-friendly amenities. White Star says the chairs have been so popular that it's often difficult for passengers to find a vacant one."

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PostSep 11, 2008#683

Can someone clarify to me how the gate agreements/leases work between an airport and the airlines. I find it very convenient in my business travels that Southwest gates seem to have a lot more plug ins as well as work stations, standup as well as the new comfort chairs, available at their gates. Southwest must be footing the bill.



Their is certainly some cons for business travel on Southwest. But it seems like they comprehend what I'm looking for in my travels. The ability to get some work done comfortably before and after my flight without having to worry about my laptop battery with simple cost effective gate changes.

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PostSep 12, 2008#684

Dredger wrote:Can someone clarify to me how the gate agreements/leases work between an airport and the airlines. I find it very convenient in my business travels that Southwest gates seem to have a lot more plug ins as well as work stations, standup as well as the new comfort chairs, available at their gates. Southwest must be footing the bill.


They're rolling out those gate areas everywhere. They've got them at HOU, DAL, and MDW (the three I've been two in the past couple weeks). Love it.

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PostOct 05, 2008#685

Looks like KCI and Midway have been hit really hard with route cuts. Lambert isn't in the top 10, at least.







Source

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PostOct 06, 2008#686

A few of those are surprising (Cincy, KC, PR), but the rest of them make perfect sense. We're talking about high population boom-towns that made lots of money and had high growth during the housing boom, now the credit crunch is killing those same people's ability to fly. Vegas makes sense cause no one can afford to gamble now!



I'll be coming back to STL for Turkey day, it'll be interesting to see how Lambert copes with the holiday rush (if there is one this year?)

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PostOct 06, 2008#687

San Juan is [was] American's gateway into the Caribbean. A direct result of cutting leisure traffic as with the bulk of that list. Most of the list is over-served (Raleigh, KC), cuts in leisure routes, or airports with a glut of competition (SNA, SJC, MDW)



Other than trimming the fat, STL didn't have much to lose. We're not over-served, risky and questionable routes have been eliminated and the leisure routes we're left with are decent performers.

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PostOct 06, 2008#688

migueltejada wrote:A few of those are surprising (Cincy, KC, PR), but the rest of them make perfect sense. We're talking about high population boom-towns that made lots of money and had high growth during the housing boom, now the credit crunch is killing those same people's ability to fly. Vegas makes sense cause no one can afford to gamble now!



I'll be coming back to STL for Turkey day, it'll be interesting to see how Lambert copes with the holiday rush (if there is one this year?)


I was at John Wayne Orange County airport a few weeks ago, and the place was dead. I'm not surprised that they are on this list.

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PostOct 08, 2008#689

Gary Kreie wrote:
I was at John Wayne Orange County airport a few weeks ago, and the place was dead. I'm not surprised that they are on this list.


It's what, 30 miles from LAX? Other than a very few "rich" people in Orange County who would rather fly from there, why bother with an airport so close? It doesn't even really serve different markets than LAS, like MDW does for ORD.



I did once fly a trip ORD - SNA - LAX. It was $400 cheaper than directly to SNA or LAX. It was also completely stupid. The flight was about 10 minutes long.

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PostOct 08, 2008#690

Because going 30 miles from LAX takes 2-3 hours.



I've used it everytime I've gone into LA. Usually fares are cheaper and its easier to navigate.

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PostOct 08, 2008#691

TheWayoftheArch wrote:Because going 30 miles from LAX takes 2-3 hours.



I've used it everytime I've gone into LA. Usually fares are cheaper and its easier to navigate.


John Wayne is probably the cleanest airport I've ever experienced.

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PostOct 08, 2008#692

rencelas wrote:
Gary Kreie wrote:
I was at John Wayne Orange County airport a few weeks ago, and the place was dead. I'm not surprised that they are on this list.


It's what, 30 miles from LAX? Other than a very few "rich" people in Orange County who would rather fly from there, why bother with an airport so close? It doesn't even really serve different markets than LAS, like MDW does for ORD.



I did once fly a trip ORD - SNA - LAX. It was $400 cheaper than directly to SNA or LAX. It was also completely stupid. The flight was about 10 minutes long.


I makes tons of sense to use airports other than LAX when flying into the LA metro. Just because you are flying to the metro area doesn't mean LAX is anywhere close to your destination. Just like many other major cities, LA uses a series of airports to serve the entire region. LAX is simply the largest and most prominent. If you are flying to reach somewhere like Disneyland, SNA makes more sense. If you are visiting family in Riverside, then Ontario Airport is far more convenient. This is really do different than flying into Newark Airport because you are doing business in Jersey City or Newark rather than JFK. Same concept.

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PostOct 08, 2008#693

Would leasing the East Terminal be a viable option for Lambert? Just a thought as I went through Midway this week and read about Chicago's latest efforts.



Why not eliminate concourse D and have a single Metrolink airport station in its place with an automated tram between the terminals? Why not use the funds to rebuild the main terminal? Why not use the funds to encourage green investment (plenty of usable space for solar or wind power generation)? Why not relocate AA's maintenance hanger or even rebuild the air guard base (it might take it off the BRAC list if we obligate new infrastructure).

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PostNov 05, 2008#694

Southwest adds a daily non-stop flight to SWFIA - SW Florida / Ft. Myers.



This is a new non-stop destination for Southwest from STL.



Southwest joins American and USA3000 for non-stop service daily to Ft. Myers, Florida.



I am flying on USA3000 to Ft. Myers on Florida - and only paid 94.00 one way. Must be a high volume non-stop destination from STL International for three airlines flying non-syop there daily.



http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2008/nov ... t-louis-s/

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PostNov 05, 2008#695

^Yup, I'm on that flight tomorrow actually.

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PostNov 10, 2008#696

In Grassy Key in the Fl. Keys right now - a little R&R - and the flight down to Ft. Myers on USA3000 was wonderful! I am definately flying USA3000 again. We flew out on an A320 - nice big plane. Drink service - free headphones for a variety of onboard radio stations and they places several sitcoms and Discover Channel series on the flat TV screens. You don't get that on national domestic flights anymore! I am definately flying international from STL on USA3000 now too!



Very impressed.

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PostNov 10, 2008#697

I flew USA3000 to Cancun. I like the check-in procedure; no computers, just a box of file cards with passengers listed. Unless you book a seat online (for an extra charge) they just pull your info, grab an index card corresponding to a seat, and that's it. The lady asked "Would you like an exit row" and...not being used to getting the option...I said.."uh..sure!". The flight to Cancun is only about 2.5 hours. It must have been cool when we had non-stops all around the world from Lambert. I flew one of the last American flights to London. There's a lot to be said for non-stop. I'll definitely do USA3000 again too.

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PostNov 18, 2008#698

East Terminal new carpet by Thanksgiving

Monday, November 17, 2008 - 4:16 PM CST

ST. LOUIS BUSINESS JOURNAL



http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/stor ... ily14.html





They were working hard at it when I flew in last night on USA3000. Looks nice.

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PostNov 28, 2008#699

My sister and I came in for thanksgiving at 9:30 and 11:30 at night on the Wednesday before. The place was EMPTY. I know it's a bad economy and all, but seriously, the place was vacant, especially at 11:30. I mean, really, one flight at that time? On the day before thanksgiving? I know because there were no other luggage carousels at the Main Terminal operating, save ours.



I figure Southwest may have had a flight or too as well, but that's not good news if the MT has only 1 flight on one of the busiest travel days of the year.

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PostNov 28, 2008#700

^... not many flights land that late at ANY airport. Especially on a holiday before, who wants to land THAT late? I was there at 6pm that same Wednesday...(Yesterday) hated it, too crowded, and because of that the police/traffic guards were bastards.

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