Was looking at historical imagery on Google Earth in Feb/March 2002. Is it just me or do I see an AA Fokker 100 parked at A10? How come its not over at C/D?
Legacy AA operated out of the A concourse. Eventually they combined operations but it didn't happen right after they bought out TWA.Perseus767 wrote: ↑Jul 20, 2020Was looking at historical imagery on Google Earth in Feb/March 2002. Is it just me or do I see an AA Fokker 100 parked at A10? How come its not over at C/D?
AA has cut Miami and LGA for August. Looks like passengers may be back on the downslope. At the very least they have plateaued.
Flying out tonight for my first post Covid Flight.
Last trip was early March. Not much changes, looks like the gate just past C28 has a brand new jet bridge at it.
When taxing past E, every gate but E40 had something parked at it. Very encouraging for STL!
Last trip was early March. Not much changes, looks like the gate just past C28 has a brand new jet bridge at it.
When taxing past E, every gate but E40 had something parked at it. Very encouraging for STL!
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I think some of this is both covid situation in areas combined with the end of the summer tourist season. The question will be what happens when the sunbelt starts getting on the downslope with covid. Demand may not neccesarily pick up again due to time of year effects. It will just depend on how business travel goesjshank83 wrote: ↑Jul 26, 2020AA has cut Miami and LGA for August. Looks like passengers may be back on the downslope. At the very least they have plateaued.
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France 24: IATA: Global air traffic will not return to pre-pandemic levels before 2024
IATA had originally thought 2019 levels could be reached by 2023, but there are too many variables for them to remain that confident, the most significant of which is apparently border reopenings (don't want to fly into countries where the virus is spreading). Also, they anticipate that the 290 airlines that make up their membership will recognize year/year revenues fully cut in half.
Time for the big 4 to start turning all their 767 passenger jets into Amazon freighters.
IATA had originally thought 2019 levels could be reached by 2023, but there are too many variables for them to remain that confident, the most significant of which is apparently border reopenings (don't want to fly into countries where the virus is spreading). Also, they anticipate that the 290 airlines that make up their membership will recognize year/year revenues fully cut in half.
Time for the big 4 to start turning all their 767 passenger jets into Amazon freighters.
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Just curious - what are the 4? United, American, Delta and ?. I assume this refers to the traditional legacy carriers. I know Southwest doesn't have 767's, so I was not sure if we are counting JetBlu or Alaska in the 4?gone corporate wrote: ↑Jul 28, 2020France 24: IATA: Global air traffic will not return to pre-pandemic levels before 2024
IATA had originally thought 2019 levels could be reached by 2023, but there are too many variables for them to remain that confident, the most significant of which is apparently border reopenings (don't want to fly into countries where the virus is spreading). Also, they anticipate that the 290 airlines that make up their membership will recognize year/year revenues fully cut in half.
Time for the big 4 to start turning all their 767 passenger jets into Amazon freighters.
I've been enjoying this podcast, never knew this had happened at a flight departing Lambert back in 1972: http://www.westwoodonepodcasts.com/pods ... of-martin/
JetBlue and Alaska don't have 767s either. AA got rid of their last one in March.STLCityMike wrote: ↑Aug 01, 2020Just curious - what are the 4? United, American, Delta and ?. I assume this refers to the traditional legacy carriers. I know Southwest doesn't have 767's, so I was not sure if we are counting JetBlu or Alaska in the 4?gone corporate wrote: ↑Jul 28, 2020France 24: IATA: Global air traffic will not return to pre-pandemic levels before 2024
IATA had originally thought 2019 levels could be reached by 2023, but there are too many variables for them to remain that confident, the most significant of which is apparently border reopenings (don't want to fly into countries where the virus is spreading). Also, they anticipate that the 290 airlines that make up their membership will recognize year/year revenues fully cut in half.
Time for the big 4 to start turning all their 767 passenger jets into Amazon freighters.
Southwest's STL-Indy flight started today. 1x day outgoing 2x incoming
Frontier's flight to Cancun started back up. I "THINK" today was the first day but not 100% sure. So we are "international" again.
Frontier's flight to Cancun started back up. I "THINK" today was the first day but not 100% sure. So we are "international" again.
UPS expanding KCI operations. I’d expect a similar announcement soon in STL?
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Not St. Louis specific, American Airlines is dropping service to Joplin, MO and Springfield IL. American is the only carrier in Joplin. In all, they cut service to 15 cities (mostly small markets)
Joplin has some other alternatives, but I'd expect a number of thoseSpringfield passengers to wind up at Lambert and MidAmerica.
"The expansion includes a 534,000-square-foot aircraft apron with enough space to simultaneously park five wide-body cargo jets and a complete renovation of the existing 50,000-square-foot sorting facility. New state-of-the-art sorting equipment will increase package handling capacity from 1,500 to 5,000 packages per hour."ldai_phs wrote: ↑Aug 20, 2020UPS expanding KCI operations. I’d expect a similar announcement soon in STL?
Good new for KC - Package Deliveries and Shipping is at an all time high (obviously).
St. Louis International Airport UPS Facility was upgraded and enlarged just recently adding 200,000 square foot aircraft apron extension with an additional 18,000 square foot package handling facility - adding another conveyor system designed to handle and additional 6,000 packages per hour. The new apron added room for a total of 15 UPS wide-body airplanes to be unloaded/loaded at the St. Louis International UPS Air Cargo facility. The entire facility is now close to 1 million square feet.
-Keith La Blaine, Warehouse Director/STL UPS
https://www.interfaceconstruction.com/p ... -facility/
https://www.bnd.com/news/local/article233619772.html
Is that apart of the world cargo hub project? I didn’t think the UPS facility was that big and looking at the map im not sure where they would fit 18 wide bodies.matguy70 wrote:"The expansion includes a 534,000-square-foot aircraft apron with enough space to simultaneously park five wide-body cargo jets and a complete renovation of the existing 50,000-square-foot sorting facility. New state-of-the-art sorting equipment will increase package handling capacity from 1,500 to 5,000 packages per hour."ldai_phs wrote: ↑Aug 20, 2020UPS expanding KCI operations. I’d expect a similar announcement soon in STL?
Good new for KC - Package Deliveries and Shipping is at an all time high (obviously).
St. Louis International Airport UPS Facility was upgraded and enlarged just recently adding 200,000 square foot aircraft apron extension with an additional 18,000 square foot package handling facility - adding another conveyor system designed to handle and additional 6,000 packages per hour. The new apron added room for a total of 15 UPS wide-body airplanes to be unloaded/loaded at the St. Louis International UPS Air Cargo facility. The entire facility is now close to 1 million square feet.
-Keith La Blaine, Warehouse Director/STL UPS
https://www.interfaceconstruction.com/p ... -facility/
https://www.bnd.com/news/local/article233619772.html
One thing to keep in mind with the KC UPS expansion.
We need the additional capacity to continue providing outstanding service to customers in northwest Missouri and northeast Kansas,” UPS Central Plains District President Darren Jones said.
So not that anyone brought it up but it’s a regional driven then and not a hub that could have gone anywhere. Probably had to be KC or Omaha.
We need the additional capacity to continue providing outstanding service to customers in northwest Missouri and northeast Kansas,” UPS Central Plains District President Darren Jones said.
So not that anyone brought it up but it’s a regional driven then and not a hub that could have gone anywhere. Probably had to be KC or Omaha.
Where is the quote about STL? I don’t see it at either of the links but maybe it isn’t liking it on my phone or something. And do you know the date of when it was done.matguy70 wrote: ↑Aug 21, 2020"The expansion includes a 534,000-square-foot aircraft apron with enough space to simultaneously park five wide-body cargo jets and a complete renovation of the existing 50,000-square-foot sorting facility. New state-of-the-art sorting equipment will increase package handling capacity from 1,500 to 5,000 packages per hour."ldai_phs wrote: ↑Aug 20, 2020UPS expanding KCI operations. I’d expect a similar announcement soon in STL?
Good new for KC - Package Deliveries and Shipping is at an all time high (obviously).
St. Louis International Airport UPS Facility was upgraded and enlarged just recently adding 200,000 square foot aircraft apron extension with an additional 18,000 square foot package handling facility - adding another conveyor system designed to handle and additional 6,000 packages per hour. The new apron added room for a total of 15 UPS wide-body airplanes to be unloaded/loaded at the St. Louis International UPS Air Cargo facility. The entire facility is now close to 1 million square feet.
-Keith La Blaine, Warehouse Director/STL UPS
https://www.interfaceconstruction.com/p ... -facility/
https://www.bnd.com/news/local/article233619772.html
I don’t see it either. Looking at Google Earth and Apple Maps, it appears UPS has 2-4 spots and Fedex 3.jshank83 wrote:Where is the quote about STL? I don’t see it at either of the links but maybe it isn’t liking it on my phone or something. And do you know the date of when it was done.matguy70 wrote: ↑Aug 21, 2020"The expansion includes a 534,000-square-foot aircraft apron with enough space to simultaneously park five wide-body cargo jets and a complete renovation of the existing 50,000-square-foot sorting facility. New state-of-the-art sorting equipment will increase package handling capacity from 1,500 to 5,000 packages per hour."ldai_phs wrote: ↑Aug 20, 2020UPS expanding KCI operations. I’d expect a similar announcement soon in STL?
Good new for KC - Package Deliveries and Shipping is at an all time high (obviously).
St. Louis International Airport UPS Facility was upgraded and enlarged just recently adding 200,000 square foot aircraft apron extension with an additional 18,000 square foot package handling facility - adding another conveyor system designed to handle and additional 6,000 packages per hour. The new apron added room for a total of 15 UPS wide-body airplanes to be unloaded/loaded at the St. Louis International UPS Air Cargo facility. The entire facility is now close to 1 million square feet.
-Keith La Blaine, Warehouse Director/STL UPS
https://www.interfaceconstruction.com/p ... -facility/
https://www.bnd.com/news/local/article233619772.html
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Four or maybe five aircraft is the most I've ever seen up there, though there are a few other cargo pads elsewhere around the airport. (I've seen cargo aircraft down on the Juliet pad behind T2 and I wouldn't be surprised if Boeing were capable of loading cargo on one of their pads every now and then. The Charlie Pad, over by the old Air National Guard base might also work if it's sewn back together yet.)
But the absolute most aircraft I could picture up there is ten. UPS looks to be striped for four aircraft, but I think the most I think I've seen is two. Same for Fed-Ex. There's only three spots with nice modern stripes behind Fed-Ex, but there's almost certainly space at the west for a fourth. And there's two more spaces worth behind the building where Foreward Air had their office. I'd guess that's where Amazon is parking their jets. Or the various contractors flying for them, really. Just drove past there tonight, but I wasn't really looking carefully. But I don't think it was particularly busy or I would have noticed. Wasn't anything eye-catching there, anyway. I'll be up there again Saturday. I'll try to look more closely and maybe even grab a picture.
But the absolute most aircraft I could picture up there is ten. UPS looks to be striped for four aircraft, but I think the most I think I've seen is two. Same for Fed-Ex. There's only three spots with nice modern stripes behind Fed-Ex, but there's almost certainly space at the west for a fourth. And there's two more spaces worth behind the building where Foreward Air had their office. I'd guess that's where Amazon is parking their jets. Or the various contractors flying for them, really. Just drove past there tonight, but I wasn't really looking carefully. But I don't think it was particularly busy or I would have noticed. Wasn't anything eye-catching there, anyway. I'll be up there again Saturday. I'll try to look more closely and maybe even grab a picture.
This is entirely political to try to force a second round of airline subsidies from the government.STLCityMike wrote: ↑Aug 20, 2020Not St. Louis specific, American Airlines is dropping service to Joplin, MO and Springfield IL. American is the only carrier in Joplin. In all, they cut service to 15 cities (mostly small markets)
American actually legally can't discontinue service to Joplin in October.
https://viewfromthewing.com/americans-p ... s-illegal/
I suppose it's callous to the people of Joplin, but with Springfield Airport 70 minutes away and Northwest Arkansas Airport 80 minutes away - both with flights by all 3 major carriers - subsidies of a single flight seems a bit unnecessary until air travel recovers more significantly.
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Thanks for the clarification.gregl wrote: ↑Aug 21, 2020This is entirely political to try to force a second round of airline subsidies from the government.STLCityMike wrote: ↑Aug 20, 2020Not St. Louis specific, American Airlines is dropping service to Joplin, MO and Springfield IL. American is the only carrier in Joplin. In all, they cut service to 15 cities (mostly small markets)
American actually legally can't discontinue service to Joplin in October.
https://viewfromthewing.com/americans-p ... s-illegal/
Well building, running an airport, and subsidizing flights is way cheaper (not!) than running a bus service to another airport.wabash wrote: ↑Aug 21, 2020I suppose it's callous to the people of Joplin, but with Springfield Airport 70 minutes away and Northwest Arkansas Airport 80 minutes away - both with flights by all 3 major carriers - subsidies of a single flight seems a bit unnecessary until air travel recovers more significantly.
Tyler TX has a few American flights to/from DFW. How about run a bus service from Tyler to DFW and LUV? Might new some bus only lanes near the metro, all the better.
AA starting Saturday only service to CUN on Dec 19. Currently scheduled thru April 3
On a 737
On a 737
Looks like Lambert got a fair sized federal grant to upgrade, or maybe replace a portion of the taxiway as reported by biz journals. Behind pay wall so don't have details only link
https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... y-faa.html
https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... y-faa.html