Their companies pay to subsidize those flights and make them profitable for AA/DLwarwickland wrote: just sh*tposting here but raleigh-durham RDU has nonstop flights to paris and london...with the bayer announcement, is it worth speculating about better prospects for nonstop service to a euro hub?
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2 Missouri related sightings today
The Southwest Airlines Missouri state flag plane at Corpus Christi (no idea where it came from or where it was going
And as I was departing the gate at DFW for STL, the plane at the next hanger had the TWA paint job
Photos on twitter
The Southwest Airlines Missouri state flag plane at Corpus Christi (no idea where it came from or where it was going
And as I was departing the gate at DFW for STL, the plane at the next hanger had the TWA paint job
Photos on twitter
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^The first time I saw that TWA plane I was standing in the little cemetery out on the west end of the airport. The resulting photograph was absolutely lousy, even by my questionable standards. And it took me months of careful watching before I found it coming through again. (Didn't know I could just "subscribe" on flightaware for updates on particular N number/airport combinations then, so I checked the darn thing daily.) Always a happy-making airframe. Looks good, even at DFW. (Actually, I confess. I do kind of like that transit ramp I think it is behind the plane. Makes for a neat photograph.)
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^ That's a bummer. I can't believe that there were not any takers for incentives besides Wow.
I've really been hoping for a direct flight to somewhere Europe (really anywhere!) soon, but I guess it is just not viable at the moment.
I've really been hoping for a direct flight to somewhere Europe (really anywhere!) soon, but I guess it is just not viable at the moment.
Find it odd that it went through county.STL526 wrote: ^ That's a bummer. I can't believe that there were not any takers for incentives besides Wow.
I've really been hoping for a direct flight to somewhere Europe (really anywhere!) soon, but I guess it is just not viable at the moment.
However, maybe how the incentives are structured going through the port authority and how the Airport and if it can be involved in negotiating such incentive is a factor as well. WOW might have been looking at it in very different terms say a more established carrier when picking and expanding routes.
I think the region continuing to build its business community and those respective ties to the international community will eventually get the desired direct European flight.
The Business Journal has some reporting out that makes this seem the Port Authority wanted to end the program before airlines had a chance to respond.
"Coleman said airlines were to respond to the incentive by August or September, and that the board wanted to act before that could occur."
Other factors mentioned: The business community didn't prebook any seats and perhaps most importantly the new leaders of the Authority and the Partnership don't believe this is a wise use of their funds. Also mentioned, and I believe the PD touched on this, was that other regions that heavily subsidized flights lost said flights as soon as the subsidies ran out.
Honestly this sounds like more changes in the wake of Stenger and Sweeney's issues than anything else.
https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... s_headline
"Coleman said airlines were to respond to the incentive by August or September, and that the board wanted to act before that could occur."
Other factors mentioned: The business community didn't prebook any seats and perhaps most importantly the new leaders of the Authority and the Partnership don't believe this is a wise use of their funds. Also mentioned, and I believe the PD touched on this, was that other regions that heavily subsidized flights lost said flights as soon as the subsidies ran out.
Honestly this sounds like more changes in the wake of Stenger and Sweeney's issues than anything else.
https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... s_headline
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^Add in Bayer's continued expansion here and they may also be figuring one may come subsidy or not. No reason to subsidize if it can happen organically as well. Fingers crossed if that was the thought process, it actually happens.
No one is starting service to Europe without a subsidy. Unless you are a major airport (like NYC/Chicago/LA) it isn't happening without one.newstl2020 wrote: ^Add in Bayer's continued expansion here and they may also be figuring one may come subsidy or not. No reason to subsidize if it can happen organically as well. Fingers crossed if that was the thought process, it actually happens.
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Bayer isn’t adding jobs here, it just got $44,000,000 in tax credits to add 500 jobs, but what they didn’t tell you is that brings their total in St.Louis to 4,900 or 500 less than what Monsanto had when Bayer bought them. Nice magic trick, huh?jshank83 wrote:No one is starting service to Europe without a subsidy. Unless you are a major airport (like NYC/Chicago/LA) it isn't happening without one.newstl2020 wrote: ^Add in Bayer's continued expansion here and they may also be figuring one may come subsidy or not. No reason to subsidize if it can happen organically as well. Fingers crossed if that was the thought process, it actually happens.
^ According to reporting in the PD, Monsanto claimed when the merger was announced in 2016 they employed 4,100 in St. Louis. In 2018 that number had jumped to 5,400. I find it hard to believe that after a merger was announced Monsanto added an additional 1,300 jobs here. But I suppose it's possible.
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There's some new rules with Abatement and some other incentive programs, and I wonder if it extends into this sector, where they only get a percentage of the incentive if they don't deliver. I mean the city/state knows how many people work for these companies... right? I mean...
Maybe we move this convo over to the bayer thread. It is getting pretty far away from airport related talk.pattimagee wrote: There's some new rules with Abatement and some other incentive programs, and I wonder if it extends into this sector, where they only get a percentage of the incentive if they don't deliver. I mean the city/state knows how many people work for these companies... right? I mean...
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I saw they were adding a new jetbridge at C30 at this time. Is it known who may be using it in the near future? Since it is rather out of character for the airport to do something before it is needed.
Curious if the MAX grounding might delay Southwest getting the new D gates that has been talked about. Or if that is more tied to getting the baggage system expanded anyway.
Curious if the MAX grounding might delay Southwest getting the new D gates that has been talked about. Or if that is more tied to getting the baggage system expanded anyway.
Southwest is pulling out of Newark airport on Nov 3rd. STL has 2 flights a day there on Southwest. They are consolidating to LGA. Hopefully they find a way to add slots and we get an extra flight there to make of up for. Maybe, but doubtful, United will fly some bigger planes to make up for it also.
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Dang that's horrible news. Newark was the easiest airport of the 3 to fly in and out of.jshank83 wrote: Southwest is pulling out of Newark airport on Nov 3rd. STL has 2 flights a day there on Southwest. They are consolidating to LGA. Hopefully they find a way to add slots and we get an extra flight there to make of up for. Maybe, but doubtful, United will fly some bigger planes to make up for it also.
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Will be curious to see how all this could impact the overall STL-NYC service. Maybe see some United upgauges and/or frequency adds to EWR. Also watch what happens with Southwest, American, and Delta LGA flights from STL. Big wild card could be maybe this would be an opportunistic time for JetBlue to enter the market from JFK or Delta to start JFK, and could have added benefit of starting Boston to finally get a 2nd carrier on that route.
KCs passenger growth streak has ended.
https://www.flykci.com/media/7850/stats-2019-june.pdf
Anyone expect ours to end by end of year as well?
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https://www.flykci.com/media/7850/stats-2019-june.pdf
Anyone expect ours to end by end of year as well?
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Back in Dallas and this time we taxied right by the TWA planedbInSouthCity wrote: 2 Missouri related sightings today
The Southwest Airlines Missouri state flag plane at Corpus Christi (no idea where it came from or where it was going
And as I was departing the gate at DFW for STL, the plane at the next hanger had the TWA paint job
Photos on twitter
Video.
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Terminal 2 has been extremely busy every time I've been this year. Terminal 1, not so much. Would be really nice to have things connect between the 2 sometime soon.addxb2 wrote: KCs passenger growth streak has ended.
https://www.flykci.com/media/7850/stats-2019-june.pdf
Anyone expect ours to end by end of year as well?
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I saw some nifty Ozark memorabilia at an estate sale this past weekend. Some plane models, advertising, etc. Hope they went to a good home.
Nice pics DB!
Missouri One
It was flying to and from Houston at corpus cristi.
It actually is at Lambert right now getting ready to fly to Omaha.
Twa plane was getting ready to head to Columbus.
Currently is at SFO heading to Dallas in the morning.
Missouri One
It was flying to and from Houston at corpus cristi.
It actually is at Lambert right now getting ready to fly to Omaha.
Twa plane was getting ready to head to Columbus.
Currently is at SFO heading to Dallas in the morning.
46 straight months of growth at the airport.
June was up 1% which with the MAX groundings I take as good.
Calendar year to date up 2.5%
Just under 16 mil passengers for the FY.
Originating traffic accounted for 77 percent of all enplanements in FY2019, up 3.2 percent. Connecting traffic was at 23 percent of all enplanements for an increase of 6.8 percent versus FY2018.
“We recently surpassed originating or local passenger traffic levels not seen since 2000 and we’re still seeing positive gains locally with our originating traffic which is extremely encouraging,” said STL Director Rhonda Hamm-Niebruegge.
https://www.flystl.com/newsroom/stl-new ... iscal-year
https://www.flystl.com/uploads/document ... PubRel.pdf
June was up 1% which with the MAX groundings I take as good.
Calendar year to date up 2.5%
Just under 16 mil passengers for the FY.
Originating traffic accounted for 77 percent of all enplanements in FY2019, up 3.2 percent. Connecting traffic was at 23 percent of all enplanements for an increase of 6.8 percent versus FY2018.
“We recently surpassed originating or local passenger traffic levels not seen since 2000 and we’re still seeing positive gains locally with our originating traffic which is extremely encouraging,” said STL Director Rhonda Hamm-Niebruegge.
https://www.flystl.com/newsroom/stl-new ... iscal-year
https://www.flystl.com/uploads/document ... PubRel.pdf
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Looks like at the current growth rate (due to the MAX issues) Lambert should hit a little over 16 million for CY2019. Not bad considering all the potential growth that we missed out on. Next year should see a lot better growth with the MAX issues hopefully resolved by early 2020.
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Seeing the local demand continuing to chug along is a great sign. I am curious what is the national average for local demand growth since I get a sense STL is a little above average. This growth is causing local travelers to crowd out the connections, which just means some more additional flights once the MAX issues are resolved. This also would likely show a lot of the routes are maturing and increasing local travel demand of people here and going here.
The 2000 comparision is an interesting one on local demand, since the local travel demand was very different than now. A lot of the demand then permanently shifted to cars after 9/11 with car travel being faster now. (that and speed limits increased) Big portion of the demand was within a 6 hour drive with demand now a fraction of demand then.
I think there are numbers going back to around 2000 for O&D traffic which would be interesting to compare with now. It would likely show a huge drop in regional demand and replaced with demand further out.
The 2000 comparision is an interesting one on local demand, since the local travel demand was very different than now. A lot of the demand then permanently shifted to cars after 9/11 with car travel being faster now. (that and speed limits increased) Big portion of the demand was within a 6 hour drive with demand now a fraction of demand then.
I think there are numbers going back to around 2000 for O&D traffic which would be interesting to compare with now. It would likely show a huge drop in regional demand and replaced with demand further out.