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PostSep 22, 2014#476

Really good article from a visitor - rowing down the Mississippi - We are way too hard on ourselves - This place is not without its challenges - but it is a good place and a unique place in a country where mainstream culture, regardless of ideological position or world view looks down on anything that does not fit a preformed matrix of how things are suppose to be.

http://www.mississippimillion.com/2014/ ... -st-louis/

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PostSep 22, 2014#477

St. Louis to be featured on Travel Channel’s “American Grilled”

http://fox2now.com/2014/09/05/st-louis- ... n-grilled/

PostSep 22, 2014#478

St. Louis Turns 250
Indianapolis Monthly
http://www.indianapolismonthly.com/news ... turns-250/

PostSep 22, 2014#479

Minneapolis / St. Paul Star Tribune Weekend Travel Section
Lifestyle
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Midwest Traveler: Reasons to celebrate in St. Louis
http://www.startribune.com/lifestyle/tr ... 65461.html

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PostSep 23, 2014#480

We are way to hard on ourselves
This is really getting to me. I love this city and have lived here for multiple years, I have been to more places than anyone I know 45 countries and 40 states, and really can't see what the natives constantly complain about.

How do we try to change the native perception?

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PostSep 23, 2014#481

^ It's hard. For people without a lot of experience in other cities the grass is always greener. I've been fortunate enough to travel quite a bit with my job and its allowed me to gain a real appreciation for what we have in St Louis. It also gives me a little anxiety because the lack of appreciation from natives allows the fabric of what makes St Louis great to continue to degrade.

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PostSep 24, 2014#482

^ I think perceptions for those with open minds are changing as much of the City undeniably is becoming more livable and offering visible improvement.... and that will only improve with time, Some folks just are dead enders and really aren't worth the thought.

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PostSep 25, 2014#483

Some recent additions to our great City, on this site in particular, make it seem like the City is continuing to decline at an extraordinary rate.

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PostSep 25, 2014#484

Ebsy wrote:Some recent additions to our great City, on this site in particular, make it seem like the City is continuing to decline at an extraordinary rate.
But when hard numbers are staring us in the face (very low population growth, job loss, corporate HQ loss etc) it's hard to be happy.

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PostSep 30, 2014#485

Every city goes through ups and downs. Unless you are Detroit where the one industry you are heavily invested in takes a downswing, things will get better.

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PostSep 30, 2014#486

runbch wrote:Every city goes through ups and downs. Unless you are Detroit where the one industry you are heavily invested in takes a downswing, things will get better.
Actually wasn't that what happened in a number of areas of Texas in the 1970s and 1980s due to a non-diversified economy? Which also shows things can change in not that long of a time.

How diversified is the area economy relative to other metro areas regionally and nationally?

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PostOct 01, 2014#487

So the Saint Louis Economic Development Partnership says that publicity from the Ferguson events have halted several business expansion plans in the region...

Denny Coleman told members of the County Council that Ferguson has generated "more than 88,000 news stories nationally and internationally that resulted in more than 100 billion media impressions."

"The press coverage of our region has been unprecedented and almost uniformly negative," Coleman added.


http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/ ... 9c0b4.html

I wonder if any of those are in NorthPark.... Clayco said it was to have announced a couple major projects by this time.

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PostOct 01, 2014#488

The really sad part is that many of the protesters out there will actually be happy to hear that they've scared away potential new jobs.

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PostOct 01, 2014#489

^ its easy to blame job loss on the protestors. I think St. Louis has much larger, structural problems it needs to address if it wants to start attracting jobs and people again. A big step forward would be major government reform and consolidation, then creating a new progressive image and plan for the region. Its going to be hard work, but I think St. Louis can do it. Its going to take years to see the positive results of reform, but I don't see how St. Louis can continue to move forward with this level of dysfunction. Atlanta made this change in the 60s and 70s and is now one of the most successful regions in the country, St. Louis could potentially do the same.

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PostOct 01, 2014#490

what a waste of ink.

synopsis:

– the Ferguson protests have generated some bad press.

– some businesses have halted their expansion plans. meanwhile, these other local businesses will be expanding into N. County.

– now here's twenty pages about a PR guy with a police record that the county mistakenly hired.

the "most dangerous city" rankings generate bad press every year. St. Louis has been not attracting new businesses for decades. it's nothing new. like goat314 said, our regional leadership has been systemically dysfunctional for a long long time. this article just strikes me as scapegoating.

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PostOct 01, 2014#491

Let's call out the businesses that don't want to locate here. What is their reason? Ferguson sealed their decision? I thought these companies were all about "diversity" or at least pretend to proclaim to be then they set up shop in what I call Americas "whitest, hot-list cities". Austin, Denver, Seattle, Silicon Valley/ San Francisco, Portland, Phoenix etc. Atlanta is the only outlier here. Why don't cities with a higher percentage of blacks and other minorities make these "hot cities" lists for growth and locating businesses. The image of St. Louis attracting startups is finally changing, but we need to keep pushing for further growth.

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PostOct 01, 2014#492

^ I'd love to know details on the County's claims. Are these big projects that just hit a temporary bump or have they moved on elsewhere? Or are they just waiting to see how much of the Northland burns after no indictment before going ahead?

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PostOct 01, 2014#494

Our Biggest Problem: The core of our metro area is chronically underfunded.

Our region is a confederation. One of the primary problems with the Articles of Confederation that delegates to the new convention were tasked to solve was the chronic underfunding of the federal government. They had no ability to tax at the federal level, and had to ask states for money, which was rarely provided. Sound familiar? We need help from the state (and federal?) governments to construct a new Constitutional permanent metro level regional entity above the town level with authority to call for votes, and authority to tax.

Oklahoma City had a regional problem 15 years ago. Downtown OKC was dead, the Murrah buidling had just blown up, and OKC was primarily known of devastating tornadoes. But in the 1960's they had extended their city limits far out into farmland, learning from places like St. Louis that lost all its suburbs. The region there is the city. In the late 1990s they passed a city-wide one-cent sales tax to rebuild their core. It had a 5-year limit, but was so well managed and smartly applied, that it was renewed easily by voters and included money to improve schools in the second round. We can do the same, but we need help to set up a similar permanent taxing and voting entity, whatever we call it.

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PostOct 01, 2014#495

Why don't cities with a higher percentage of blacks and other minorities make these "hot cities" lists for growth and locating businesses.
Because those cities tend to be poor(er), which means they lack the amenities creative class workers expect, and because the talent pool is smaller when there are fewer college educated people as a proportion of the population.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012 ... .html?_r=0


Put another way, we're the 18th largest metro, but the 42nd most educated. That is probably why we do not attract outside biz investment.

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PostOct 01, 2014#496

CWE rated one of the greatest neighborhoods in the country isn't something small to be overlooked. This neighborhood is the reason we moved here, and we could have lived anywhere in the country. https://www.planning.org/greatplaces/ne ... estend.htm

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PostOct 01, 2014#497

^ it is a well-deserved recognition.... and it has room to grow by filling up some of the vacant edges and occasional prime surface lot.

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PostOct 01, 2014#498

jcity wrote:Why don't cities with a higher percentage of blacks and other minorities make these "hot cities" lists for growth and locating businesses.
onecity wrote:Because those cities tend to be poor(er), which means they lack the amenities creative class workers expect, and because the talent pool is smaller when there are fewer college educated people as a proportion of the population.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012 ... .html?_r=0

Put another way, we're the 18th largest metro, but the 42nd most educated. That is probably why we do not attract outside biz investment.
Nothing to do with race or education, in my opinion. Houston ranks behind St. Louis on that NYT's Cities with the Most College-Educated Residents list, yet Houston is booming. BOOMING. Plus, more than a quarter of its residents are African-American and even more than that are Latino and other minorities.

Then cities with high black pops such as Houston, Dallas, Atlanta and Charlotte are on Forbes' 2014 Best Places For Business And Careers 2014 list. Rick Perry's corporate poaching, NC's governor breaking the bank to lure jobs and Atlanta growing more and more into a major global city helps to lure business and jobs.

Meanwhile in Misery............I mean Missouri. :roll:

A lot of African-Americans live in Rust Belt cities in the Midwest. Chicago, which has 1.6-million African-Americans, has a fairly sluggish to moderate economy. Rust Belt cities, including and especially St. Louis, it's safe to say, have been piss poor reinventing their economies until recently.

Notice that Houston, Dallas, Atlanta and Charlotte are in the South. The South has been kicking the Midwest's ass for the past 20 years or more when it has come to economic development and landing business. Airbus, Mercedes, Boeing, Lenovo, Honda etc. etc. etc. all have operations in the South.

Charlotte, with all of its black people, GDP has surpassed St. Louis' even though it's a smaller metro.

The issue is poor LEADERSHIP - not race.

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PostOct 01, 2014#499

^My point wasn't about race, but about the concentration of people with degrees, and that historically, blacks tend to be poorer and have fewer degrees. All the rockstar cities have extremely high % of residents w degrees. Almost every city in the top 15 of that list has a huge knowledge economy. Atlanta and Charlotte have more degrees as a % than STL. Houston, and other resource-extraction meccas, probably do alright with low proportions of college educated residents, because of the nature of the resource-extraction economy. See North Dakota for another example. Right now, we are neither. Job 1 is to grow the knowledge sector, and figure out how to resurrect the middle-income, middle-skills part of the economy so the future city isn't an island of prosperity in a sea of misery.

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PostOct 02, 2014#500

Notice that Houston, Dallas, Atlanta and Charlotte are in the South. The South has been kicking the Midwest's ass for the past 20 years or more when it has come to economic development and landing business. Airbus, Mercedes, Boeing, Lenovo, Honda etc. etc. etc. all have operations in the South.

^^ The south has several advantages over the Midwest that cannot be overlooked. Better climate, NON-UNION workforce or right to work, newer cities with less old housing stock, endless sprawl, close to Florida and beaches/amenities and jobs. There are a multitude of factors. Why deal with the UAW or other heavily unionized cities like St. Louis.
In general, Americans have been migrating to warm weather regions for decades. Are they also following jobs and leaving cities losing jobs, of course. But again, there are lots of moving parts and factors contributing the population boom in these cities.

I have a friend that works for an unnamed small company formerly based in St. Louis as of last month. (I won't get into specifics). They moved the business to Nashville along with their 60 employees. Reason #1- They are now non-union. Obviously, they were union here in STL.

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