This is true, I graduated from an Historically Black College and most of the students said Texas as destination after graduation. Many that I attended high school with live in one of the booming Texas cities. Atlanta was the place to move to before the 2008 recession, I don't know what shape it is in now but the Texas cities are now attracting more blacks than ATL. Blacks are also leaving Atlanta for Texas.leeharveyawesome wrote:I can't prove it and give you any numbers but there has definitely been many African-Americans leave St. Louis for Texas over the last 2 or 3 years. This is a fact relayed to me from actual African-Americans. It is a well known thing in the community.
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It will be interesting to see what happens to Texas as thousands are beginning to be laid off with the lower energy prices. Also places like Pittsburgh that have benefited from shale could be impacted if the horror of low oil prices is prolonged.
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It started last decade...
Black America is Moving South... and to the Burbs
http://m.colorlines.com/archives/2011/1 ... south.html
Black America is Moving South... and to the Burbs
http://m.colorlines.com/archives/2011/1 ... south.html
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I think it's pretty well acknowledged that the move South and to the burbs has been going on for quite sometime but my understanding is that there is some weird spike in African-American migration specifically from St. Louis to specifically Texas in the last year or two and, like, as we speak.Presbyterian wrote:It started last decade...
Black America is Moving South... and to the Burbs
http://m.colorlines.com/archives/2011/1 ... south.html
hahahaSTLEnginerd wrote:^Whitest quote ever? Not saying your info is wrong but that line made me laugh.This is a fact relayed to me from actual African-Americans.
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The move to resettle Syrian refugees in St. Louis has been picking up steam rapidly since Friday.
NextStl Piece: http://nextstl.com/2015/09/send-syrian- ... -st-louis/
Buzzfeed article on St. Louisans' desire to welcome Syrians: http://www.buzzfeed.com/jimdalrympleii/ ... n-st-louis
White House petition: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petiti ... efugees-us
International Institute directed people to the petition and tweeted that "It's a process, but StL is willing and able to accept Syrian refugees."
March in the Loop planned for this Sunday
Channel 5 will also be airing it on tonight's 5:00 news.
NextStl Piece: http://nextstl.com/2015/09/send-syrian- ... -st-louis/
Buzzfeed article on St. Louisans' desire to welcome Syrians: http://www.buzzfeed.com/jimdalrympleii/ ... n-st-louis
White House petition: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petiti ... efugees-us
International Institute directed people to the petition and tweeted that "It's a process, but StL is willing and able to accept Syrian refugees."
March in the Loop planned for this Sunday
Channel 5 will also be airing it on tonight's 5:00 news.
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Sounds like the ball is rolling in the right direction at the Federal level, at least:
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/20 ... ugees.html
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/20 ... ugees.html
I'm not as pro Serian refugee resettlement in St. Louis as I once was. While I'm sure 99% of people are good and want to live in peace, I don't think its worth the risk in light of the recent terrorist attacks in France. It looks like it's highly likely one, maybe more, of the "refugees" were actually terrorists. This might not be "PC" to many but can you imagine of such an attack happening here?
Jcity, I find that thought as exactly the type of fear mongering that a certain degree of our political leadership, media pundits and population wants to happen. I still find it ironic, that how tragic it was in Paris the other that the US has the equivalent of 2 1/2 to 3 three times the number of people killed each day and every day because of gun violence. While the motivation is very different and very scary it still amazes how much violence in this country happens and is brushed off.
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I also don't think people realize how much refugees are vetted and the extensive process that happens. It was only a few months ago that Europeans in some respects were complaining that US was too stringent with their vetting process and not letting enough people through the gates quick enough. I still believe their is a balance can be achieved.
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I also don't think people realize how much refugees are vetted and the extensive process that happens. It was only a few months ago that Europeans in some respects were complaining that US was too stringent with their vetting process and not letting enough people through the gates quick enough. I still believe their is a balance can be achieved.
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White Protestants can be terrorists, too.jcity wrote:I'm not as pro Serian refugee resettlement in St. Louis as I once was. While I'm sure 99% of people are good and want to live in peace, I don't think its worth the risk in light of the recent terrorist attacks in France. It looks like it's highly likely one, maybe more, of the "refugees" were actually terrorists. This might not be "PC" to many but can you imagine of such an attack happening here?
Sure. Anyone can be a terrorist.
Are White Protestants committing acts of mass slaughter on the regular?
No.
Are White Protestants engaging in slave trading and ownership? Abuse of women?
No?
Maybe we just have more self control.
Are White Protestants committing acts of mass slaughter on the regular?
No.
Are White Protestants engaging in slave trading and ownership? Abuse of women?
No?
Maybe we just have more self control.
Look i know you think that white protestants arent the issue, which absolutely they are not at the moment, but the level of terrorism they (radical christians) produce as opposed to muslims or immigrants in the country is far far more just by numbers of victims and number of events. I think all reasonable people realize there was risk of something of this nature occurring, and of course it is awful, but yes white christian fundamentalists are a very real problem in our great usa (just as any religious fundamentalists would be) and that is absolutely worth addressing before we could even begin to assume that one in a thousand refugees might possibly maybe be capable of terrorism
Aside from Timothy McVeigh, what other radical white Christians have committed terrorist attacks in the name of Christianity? Even McVeigh only did it as an attack on "government". Certainly the KKK is a us terrorist organization and needs to be eliminated, but even they are not plotting terrorist attacks at the level of Islamic extremism. Perhaps after strong vetting these refugees fleeing the savagery of Isis, I'd still be open to some relocation, but what if such attacks started occurring all over the US?
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Saying we don't have to worry about radical Christians (except the Oklahoma City bombing) is sorta like saying we don't have to worry about Islamic radicals (except for 9/11). But setting that aside, there's also the Olympic Park bombing in Atlanta, the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church shooting in 2008, 1994 Planned Parenthood bombing and the murder of Doctor Tiller among plentiful other targeted anti-abortion violence, Jewish Community Center shooting in 2014, Sikh temple shooting in 2012, etc. Not to mention organizations like the Aryan Nations and the Christian Identity Movement that coordinate worldwide terrorist activities in the name of Christ. According to FBI stats, 6% of terrorists in the US have been Muslim (1980-2005, couldn't find more recent data).jcity wrote:Aside from Timothy McVeigh, what other radical white Christians have committed terrorist attacks in the name of Christianity? Even McVeigh only did it as an attack on "government". Certainly the KKK is a us terrorist organization and needs to be eliminated, but even they are not plotting terrorist attacks at the level of Islamic extremism. Perhaps after strong vetting these refugees fleeing the savagery of Isis, I'd still be open to some relocation, but what if such attacks started occurring all over the US?
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^ Besides the outright religionists, you also have the Dylan Roofs and Frazier Glenn Crosses of the world who want to start race wars or kill Jews. Heck, two dudes were arrested just last week in VA who wanted to do both by plotting to bomb synagogues and black churches.
Anyway, if we can't accept into our country in an orderly manner a fair share of those who are fleeing the horror of Syria then there is something wrong with us.
Anyway, if we can't accept into our country in an orderly manner a fair share of those who are fleeing the horror of Syria then there is something wrong with us.
umm, yes, those are all serious threats to our safety as well, and should be dealt with accordingly. Not to get into who's the worst terrorist game, but again, I think 9/11, the attacks in Paris, the attacks in Beirut, the goal of suitcase nukes with these Islamic extremists where they would blow up an entire city are a tad more serious than the other ones mentioned... 
also, in favor of immigrants fleeing these horror's of isis, but let's make sure they are vetted to the extreme. Also, even if the one(s) who came in from Syria, what could be vetted? what if he didn't commit any prior aggression's? Is Syria sharing people's history with us?
also, in favor of immigrants fleeing these horror's of isis, but let's make sure they are vetted to the extreme. Also, even if the one(s) who came in from Syria, what could be vetted? what if he didn't commit any prior aggression's? Is Syria sharing people's history with us?
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There are Christians with the express goal of killing all the gays or glassing the entire Middle East, but I don't think we should refuse to let Christians immigrate. Terrorist attacks are simply not a significant source of danger, just because they're sensational. Statistically, it's like a 1 in 20 million chance. You're a thousand times more likely to die in a car accident, fifty times more likely to be shot by a cop, or four times more likely to be hit by lightning. It makes no sense to worry about it, even if you exclude the fact that contributing to a Middle Eastern humanitarian crisis would potentially contribute to the root causes of terrorism and create more danger than you're trying to prevent.
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The chances of dying in a suitcase nuke bombing by terrorist fake-Syrian refugees is one in never.
"Christians with the express goal of killing all the gays"
What group of Christians and where? Please provide examples. I know that gays are beheaded and tossed off buildings in the middle east, I haven't seen this done by Christians yet anywhere in the west. I'm gay and would feel far safer at Fred Phelp's church, as awful as he is, than many western mosques...It's just funny this extreme liberalism that refuses to acknowledge there a lot of crazy people out there, but some groups are slightly more so than others.. Even Bill Maher acknowledges this.. and for the record, i believe in ZERO religions.
Yes, it's very unlikely that a suit-case nuke is coming over the Mediterranean on a boat and in a backpack, but the threat of this happening only comes from this particular terrorist group, no one else.
What group of Christians and where? Please provide examples. I know that gays are beheaded and tossed off buildings in the middle east, I haven't seen this done by Christians yet anywhere in the west. I'm gay and would feel far safer at Fred Phelp's church, as awful as he is, than many western mosques...It's just funny this extreme liberalism that refuses to acknowledge there a lot of crazy people out there, but some groups are slightly more so than others.. Even Bill Maher acknowledges this.. and for the record, i believe in ZERO religions.
Yes, it's very unlikely that a suit-case nuke is coming over the Mediterranean on a boat and in a backpack, but the threat of this happening only comes from this particular terrorist group, no one else.
oh wabash! they're out there! or not. the point is we could have other similar attacks like Paris and Beirut here down the road. We can pretend like that's all hype and scaremongering, but ok..
are any other homegrown terrorist groups sending out calls like this?
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/islamic-state ... 51922.html
are any other homegrown terrorist groups sending out calls like this?
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/islamic-state ... 51922.html
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Preacher Kevin Swanson advocates for Biblical-style law “that says that homosexuals should be put to death.” He recently hosted speaking engagements by GOP nominees Cruz, Huckabee and Jindal, along with other speakers who advocate the death penalty for homosexuality. The FBI documents over a thousand violent acts perpetrated against gays every year.jcity wrote:"Christians with the express goal of killing all the gays"
What group of Christians and where? Please provide examples. I know that gays are beheaded and tossed off buildings in the middle east, I haven't seen this done by Christians yet anywhere in the west.
I already named a couple groups above who advertise the desire to perpetrate terrorist attacks.jcity wrote: are any other homegrown terrorist groups sending out calls like this?
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/islamic-state ... 51922.html
The only reason you're more familiar with ISIL is that it conveniently fits the media narrative pushed by conservatives.
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If you think gays aren't frequently killed by Western Christians, I imagine you are amazed by many things that most consider commonplace.jcity wrote:Mark, you are amazing.
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As a Christian pastor who has spent a lot of time this past year working with Muslims to pave the way for Syrian refugees to come to St. Louis, I find this conversation amusing. 
Humans have always found the capacity toward cruelty and hate. And we've latched that impulse onto all sorts of ideological perspectives, religious and otherwise. Catholics had their Inquisition. Orthodox had their pogroms. Atheists had their French Reign of Terror. Communists had their Killing Fields. Some Presbyterians in the US South supported slavery. To me, that speaks to a flaw in human nature.
To be clear, the refugees that the US is being asked to take are not the people walking to Europe. Those individuals are a mixture of refugees and economic migrants, and they have not been vetted by anyone.
There are 12 million displaced Syrians. The UN High Commission on Refugees has identified 130,000 -- just over 1% -- as in the worst-case situation of needing permanent resettlement to a third country because they can never go back to Syria. This extreme situation may be due to religious or ethnic persecution, genocide, political reasons, orientation, threats of rape or violence, etc. These victims are currently in camps in Turkey or Jordan (and have been there a long time). They have been vetted first by the UNHCR. The US then vets them further, a process that takes an additional 18 - 24 months. The US is very selective.
If a terrorist wants to enter the US, there are much faster and safer means to do so than our refugee resettlement program.
Humans have always found the capacity toward cruelty and hate. And we've latched that impulse onto all sorts of ideological perspectives, religious and otherwise. Catholics had their Inquisition. Orthodox had their pogroms. Atheists had their French Reign of Terror. Communists had their Killing Fields. Some Presbyterians in the US South supported slavery. To me, that speaks to a flaw in human nature.
To be clear, the refugees that the US is being asked to take are not the people walking to Europe. Those individuals are a mixture of refugees and economic migrants, and they have not been vetted by anyone.
There are 12 million displaced Syrians. The UN High Commission on Refugees has identified 130,000 -- just over 1% -- as in the worst-case situation of needing permanent resettlement to a third country because they can never go back to Syria. This extreme situation may be due to religious or ethnic persecution, genocide, political reasons, orientation, threats of rape or violence, etc. These victims are currently in camps in Turkey or Jordan (and have been there a long time). They have been vetted first by the UNHCR. The US then vets them further, a process that takes an additional 18 - 24 months. The US is very selective.
If a terrorist wants to enter the US, there are much faster and safer means to do so than our refugee resettlement program.