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PostAug 25, 2011#1426

Poll on BJ about special session and china hub. I would have expected more to be in favor given ehat I believe to be a more highly educated readership.


http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/poll/results/6046631

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PostAug 25, 2011#1427

Has any other city been able to do what St. Louis and the State of Missouri is proposing? If not then go for it. Things can't get much worse and waiting for everyone else will leave us behind.

The hoosiers see tax and think it's coming out of the general fund or their fish and wildlife budget but it isn't. I don't think the state is putting up its credit either.

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PostAug 25, 2011#1428

moorlander wrote:Poll on BJ about special session and china hub. I would have expected more to be in favor given ehat I believe to be a more highly educated readership.


http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/poll/results/6046631
That was my first reaction also.

Then I thought about what has been reported since Gov Nixon first expressed interest in calling a special session and the formal announcement. Nothing but right and left leaning agendas trying to shoot the proposal out of the sky with both trying hard to skew the langauge of what is being proposed as much as possible. Throw in the general media's tendency to sensationalize by emphasizing $360 million and conveniently ignore the fact that the number is over a fifteen year lifespan for the tax credit or that it will actually require economic activity to recover such tax credit.

The important thing is that the formal call for special session was made and enough people with some understanding of the proposal are in the right position to make something happen after labor day weekend.

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PostAug 25, 2011#1429

Here are some examples why we shouldn't fall for the Show-Me-Institute's claim that they're an "independent free market think tank":

First read this guest commentary in the Post-Dispatch by R. Crosby Kemper III, a co-founder of SMI:
The free market loses if 'aerotropolis' wins

Then read Ray Hartmann's spot-on observation in St. Louis Magazine:
MEET THE TEA PARTY INSTITUTE: A "SHOW-ME" FOUNDER EXPOSES THE TRUE COLORS OF HIS IN-THE-TANK THINK TANK

If you're not convinced yet, this will [from St. Louis Tea Party website]:
Welcome Show-Me Institute

Love this line: "Their conclusions, always based on unimpeachable research and analysis, almost always align to ours." [from Tea Party website.]

Of course they're free to affiliate themselves with whomever they want. But don't claim to be conducting "independent research". If there was ever an organization driven by special interests it's the Show-Me-Institute.

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PostAug 28, 2011#1430

I expect to see more of these populist, xenophobic articles over the next couple weeks:
http://www.lakeareaconservativeclub.org ... “china-hub”/

Quote from article:
"The Chinese are master negotiators and illusionists."

It's Red Dawn!

By the way, that tea party quote Count just cited sounds like it belongs in a Mao era propaganda publication. The unimpeachable Show-Me Institute! Always espousing correct thought! haha

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PostAug 30, 2011#1431

The Show-Me-Institute attacked Ray hartmann of St. Louis Magazine for his support of the China hub with this:

Show-Me-Institute's open letter

Ray Hartmann responded:

Ray Hartmann's open letter.

Thank you Ray. It's good to see some common sense around here. The Show-Me-Institute has brought no new ideas for Missouri. It has tried to block any efforts initiated by people outside their circle, while conveniently leaving their friends' corporate welfare benefits unchallenged.

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PostAug 30, 2011#1432

The KC Star attacked the China hub again: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/08/29/31 ... ility.html

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PostAug 30, 2011#1433

Hard to see this as anything other than a simple (and childish) rivalry.

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PostAug 31, 2011#1434

My airport can beat-up your airport!

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PostAug 31, 2011#1435

^ ^^ That's exactly it. Missouri is fighting Missourah, KC is fighting STL. In the meantime cities like Chicago are competing on a global scale.

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PostAug 31, 2011#1436

^But they also don't have to compete with a matching "Chicago" on opposite side of the state.

Does anyone know when planes are scheduled to land or is it completely dependent on the legislation? I though Lambert and China Eastern had an agreement to land planes 3 times a week. Am I mistaken? Its been a while since the announcement back in late winter/early spring.

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PostAug 31, 2011#1437

pat wrote:^But they also don't have to compete with a matching "Chicago" on opposite side of the state.
But that's the whole point. We shouldn't be competing with KC either and really we aren't. We are competing nationally and globally. Forget regionalism.

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PostAug 31, 2011#1438

Does anyone know when planes are scheduled to land or is it completely dependent on the legislation? I though Lambert and China Eastern had an agreement to land planes 3 times a week. Am I mistaken? Its been a while since the announcement back in late winter/early spring.
moorlander wrote:"Said Mr. Mehan, of the Missouri chamber: "Flights will begin in September.When people see that happening, they will understand that Missouri will be transformed into an international trade hub. It will get a lot of attention not just in the state but in the world." Said Mr. Johnson, of the St Louis chamber: "Recent declarations by two air cargo consultants that no international air cargo hub could succeed are interesting. The naysayers seem to have relationships with airports that might be impacted by our success."

http://www.scanews.com/2011/08/s1094/109421/

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PostAug 31, 2011#1439

That's right. Thanks

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PostAug 31, 2011#1440

Missouri's Business Community to the State Government:
Just pass the damn thing already!

Source: http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/ ... 0f31a.html

At this hour, it seems that most everyone is in favor of the China Hub tax credits package (and assorted other tax credit programs). The remaining opposition appears centered on three groups:
1. The Far Right, the fringe elements who are adamant against taxpayer monies going anywhere they don't have to, even into the business community, and even when those monies come only after the intended purpose is built & entering profitability. This includes the Show-Me Institute and the hardcore out-state Tea Partiers (who I bet have no idea who Rick Santelli is).
2. The Far Left, the fringe elements who are against the use of tax credits for purposes other than for redistribution of wealth to the impoverished, who don't like monies going to private sector employment, and who are scared of "the boogeyman" Paul McKee. This also includes some power brokers scared of losing influence (see: Stogel, Steve).
3. A vocal Kansas City minority, who don't realize that it's good to see your brother succeed. Are they jealous of STL getting something they aren't? Is it that our local economy's more robust than theirs? Is it that Pappy's was named #1 BBQ by Zagat's while Arthur Bryant's was only ranked 4th? Wow. While infighting amongst STL interests is fierce, KC is on a whole different level.

By contrast, who supports it?
- Missouri's business community, across industries & sectors
- Non-MO companies that'll move to STL if this passes
- Organized Labor
- STL City
- STL County
- MO House, with overwhelming bipartisan support
- MO Senate, with overwhelming bipartisan support
- MO Governor
- The overwhelming majority of STL and MO taxpayers & voters
- People seeking jobs
- The People's Republic of China and its robust economy & business community

Pretty cut and dry at this point. Excited to see how this'll pull through.

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PostSep 01, 2011#1441

^That's a pretty good analysis GC

I would add another small group to those who oppose it--The Contrarians. They live to complain about St. Louis and if we miss the boat on the China Hub this will be one more thing for them to hang their hat on. These are the folks who constantly bemoan how parochial St. Louis is, but ironically are the least likely to know anyone outside the small group of people they grew up or went to high school with.

I do believe they are a minority, though a rather vocal one. Their opinions are rather amplified on the comment pages of STL Today however.

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PostSep 02, 2011#1442

The Beacon reports that China hub proponents are planning on having the Senate vote on the bill before the House, which is not the normal sequence. They are apparently doing this in response to Senator Crowell's threat to filibuster. He'll have to maintain his filibuster for the entire special session if he wants to obstruct progress. I like it.

http://www.stlbeacon.org/issues-politic ... ve-session

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PostSep 04, 2011#1443

http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/ ... caf29.html

We've got the first flight scheduled for September 23rd!

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PostSep 04, 2011#1444

Not really a news update, but it looks like the China hub is starting to garner some national attention. The Houston Chronicle just published a pretty well informed AP article on the hub: http://www.chron.com/news/article/Aerot ... 154324.php

Honestly, this AP article published by the Houston Chronicle article is much more informative and accurate than what the KC Star has been putting out in recent weeks. Kind of sad that an out-of-state newspaper is providing better analysis than a major in-state publication.

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PostSep 04, 2011#1445

^ fyi, that is an AP article (written from the MO-KAN bureau) which can be picked up by AP - affiliated media outlets across the country. I'm not sure if it ran in KC Star or not but I think it looks like it was in the P-D.

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PostSep 05, 2011#1446

^Yes. The guy who wrote that is the AP's St. Louis bureau chief. He's been following this for years.

Also, I'd suspect it didn't run in print versions of the Houston Chronicle. Lots of papers run loads of AP stories on their websites, though not in print. Though a friend of mine in LA told me a few months back he'd read about the the China Hub efforts in the LA Times - probably a wire story, but still, that's something.

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PostSep 05, 2011#1447

^This is another beneficial side-effect of the China hub. When was the last time an economic development in St. Louis made (inter)national headlines? The nation's and, to some extent, the world's airports are paying attention. If we can pull this off we will shed our fly-over, backwater image rapidly.
("Missouri is trading directly through a joint-venture with the Chinese!? Why didn't we think of that first?")

It's this kind of forward thinking that could, and probably will, land us more (international) business in the future. Any globally trading business would have to take us seriously if we become an important trade hub to China, especially because we work with Chinese carriers, flush with cash.

Who do you think the Chinese will prefer when it comes to flying products back and forth to China? That's why there's so much backlash. They're afraid.

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PostSep 05, 2011#1448

What is the likelihood the Chinese establish several of these hubs over the coming years?

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PostSep 05, 2011#1449

Rockford, Illinois, is ready to go after the China Hub if St. Louis stumbles.

http://www.rrstar.com/carousel/x1638742 ... t-St-Louis

From the article:

Ken Ryan, director of international cargo for the Rockford airport, said logistics networks are key.
“You really need to have the whole system for it to work,” he said.
And then, he said, you have to persuade airlines that they can land at another airport and easily tap into a logistics chain.
“I would prefer to be in the position of Rockford than St. Louis,” Ryan said. “I think Rockford is in much better location to be able to do this.
“St. Louis may be in the center of the country, but the real hub in terms of rail and road is Chicago, not St. Louis. That places us much closer to that hub.”

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PostSep 05, 2011#1450

ttricamo wrote:What is the likelihood the Chinese establish several of these hubs over the coming years?
I don't own a crystal ball but I'd say the likelihood is very small. It's very expensive to start up an airline operation and build a logistics network, which is what the Chinese want to accomplish at Lambert. Best case (and long-term) scenario: the project will be so successful that they will need to open a second hub at Mid-America.

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