This is so depressing. I hate everything. I'm getting drunk tonight.
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I doubt it would help. Illinois appears to be in more debt than we are and St. Louis would still be second city to Chicago.shadrach wrote:Ugh!
Enough talk of re-entering the county. I want to secede from the state!
Secession is also very, very difficult.
Sounds sinister. Maybe Mayor Slay has something up his sleeves.moorlander wrote:http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/news ... -pass.htmlMayor Slay said "Fortunately, we have another option. We will pursue it with as much energy and vigor as we can."
He did not elaborate.
Read more: Trade hub incentives don't pass Missouri General Assembly | St. Louis Business Journal
He's referring to Rex Sinquefield. For more information, see the Show-Me Institute, which is his creation. The Institute has been vehemently opposed to the initiative since the beginning. I don't see how this is any kind of back up plan. To borrow from the Chinese, I think he is trying to save facemoorlander wrote:http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/news ... -pass.htmlMayor Slay said "Fortunately, we have another option. We will pursue it with as much energy and vigor as we can."
He did not elaborate.
Read more: Trade hub incentives don't pass Missouri General Assembly | St. Louis Business Journal
This sucks. I am mad as hell. St. Louis is hostage to a bunch of central Missouri yokels and there's nothing we can do about it. I feel so helpless.
I agree. I wish nextstl had a "like" button like facebook. I hate Jeff City
First the railroads a hundred years ago, a bunch of other things along the way, now this. This city is donezo.
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if ultimately we don't get the tax incentives could Lambert still exist as a middle-man for China and South America?
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Mayor Slay's other "option", mentioned earlier, is in regards to local control of the Metropolitan Police Department of the City of Saint Louis. He was not referring to the Midwest China Hub Commission...
Right now, I'm not in favor of seceding from Missouri. Rather, I'm seriously giving consideration into what it would take to obtain a special election seeking a "no confidence" vote in both the Legislature and the Governor. All are guilty here, and as a voter I'm beyond disgusted. I'd be more angry if I wasn't already filled with so much incredultiy. For fark's sake, how do you fark up the one bill that has everyone's support and the biggest economic opportunity since the farking railroads went to Chicago 150 years ago?
I'm into another can of cool, fresh InBev right now, trying to calm my anger, watching movies on tv...
Up In The Air was on just a bit ago. Which was great for seeing StL in the movie biz; too bad that tax credit's already been sacked. There goes that industry right when it was on the upswing; how familiar...
Now, National Lampoon's Vacation is on HBO. Clark's just driven across the Poplar Street Bridge into North City, and the brood in the Family Truckster's looking out at all the blight. Which, apparently, isn't going away anytime soon all over again...
And it leaves me wondering, is the Aerotropolis Bill really as dead as Aunt Edna in the back of their station wagon?
... Seriously, how does a state government fark up this bad?
They had one job to do, just one job. The bill had bicameral majority support and the strong encouragement of both major political parties. How can they claim to be doing their phony baloney jobs when they can't even pass this bill? One easier to hit out of the yard than Albert if he was playing tee ball?
"This is crazy. This is crazy! THIS IS CRAZY!!"
I'm seriously in favor of a "no confidence" vote. For both the Legislature and the Governor...
... Who's with me?
Right now, I'm not in favor of seceding from Missouri. Rather, I'm seriously giving consideration into what it would take to obtain a special election seeking a "no confidence" vote in both the Legislature and the Governor. All are guilty here, and as a voter I'm beyond disgusted. I'd be more angry if I wasn't already filled with so much incredultiy. For fark's sake, how do you fark up the one bill that has everyone's support and the biggest economic opportunity since the farking railroads went to Chicago 150 years ago?
I'm into another can of cool, fresh InBev right now, trying to calm my anger, watching movies on tv...
Up In The Air was on just a bit ago. Which was great for seeing StL in the movie biz; too bad that tax credit's already been sacked. There goes that industry right when it was on the upswing; how familiar...
Now, National Lampoon's Vacation is on HBO. Clark's just driven across the Poplar Street Bridge into North City, and the brood in the Family Truckster's looking out at all the blight. Which, apparently, isn't going away anytime soon all over again...
And it leaves me wondering, is the Aerotropolis Bill really as dead as Aunt Edna in the back of their station wagon?
... Seriously, how does a state government fark up this bad?
They had one job to do, just one job. The bill had bicameral majority support and the strong encouragement of both major political parties. How can they claim to be doing their phony baloney jobs when they can't even pass this bill? One easier to hit out of the yard than Albert if he was playing tee ball?
"This is crazy. This is crazy! THIS IS CRAZY!!"
I'm seriously in favor of a "no confidence" vote. For both the Legislature and the Governor...
... Who's with me?
Colby, the quote from Slay is in reference to local control of the police and has nothing to do with the Chinese Air Cargo Hub.Colby wrote:He's referring to Rex Sinquefield. For more information, see the Show-Me Institute, which is his creation. The Institute has been vehemently opposed to the initiative since the beginning. I don't see how this is any kind of back up plan. To borrow from the Chinese, I think he is trying to save facemoorlander wrote:http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/news ... -pass.htmlMayor Slay said "Fortunately, we have another option. We will pursue it with as much energy and vigor as we can."
He did not elaborate.
Read more: Trade hub incentives don't pass Missouri General Assembly | St. Louis Business Journal
Go to http://www.mayorslay.com
That being said, Rex and Slay are strange combination, half the stuff they agree upon and other half they don't with no middle ground to speak off while Rex contribute handsomely to Slay's campaign fund at the same time
Great question, I will have a lot more confidence if the Chinese delegation sticks to there Mar 23rd visit.arch_genesis wrote:if ultimately we don't get the tax incentives could Lambert still exist as a middle-man for China and South America?
gone corporate wrote:Mayor Slay's other "option", mentioned earlier, is in regards to local control of the Metropolitan Police Department of the City of Saint Louis. He was not referring to the Midwest China Hub Commission...
Right now, I'm not in favor of seceding from Missouri. Rather, I'm seriously giving consideration into what it would take to obtain a special election seeking a "no confidence" vote in both the Legislature and the Governor. All are guilty here, and as a voter I'm beyond disgusted. I'd be more angry if I wasn't already filled with so much incredultiy. For fark's sake, how do you fark up the one bill that has everyone's support and the biggest economic opportunity since the farking railroads went to Chicago 150 years ago?
I'm into another can of cool, fresh InBev right now, trying to calm my anger, watching movies on tv...
Up In The Air was on just a bit ago. Which was great for seeing StL in the movie biz; too bad that tax credit's already been sacked. There goes that industry right when it was on the upswing; how familiar...
Now, National Lampoon's Vacation is on HBO. Clark's just driven across the Poplar Street Bridge into North City, and the brood in the Family Truckster's looking out at all the blight. Which, apparently, isn't going away anytime soon all over again...
And it leaves me wondering, is the Aerotropolis Bill really as dead as Aunt Edna in the back of their station wagon?
... Seriously, how does a state government fark up this bad?
They had one job to do, just one job. The bill had bicameral majority support and the strong encouragement of both major political parties. How can they claim to be doing their phony baloney jobs when they can't even pass this bill? One easier to hit out of the yard than Albert if he was playing tee ball?
"This is crazy. This is crazy! THIS IS CRAZY!!"
I'm seriously in favor of a "no confidence" vote. For both the Legislature and the Governor...
... Who's with me?
Nailed it. I'll ask one of my law school professors how we could get the ball rolling
colby where do you go to law school?
I'm starting at SLU in the fall.
I'm starting at SLU in the fall.
A politician would have to start the no confidence vote, would they not?
after a quick search on Westlaw, it looks like we have no chance of filing a successful motion
Other options?Colby wrote:after a quick search on Westlaw, it looks like we have no chance of filing a successful motion
Tax credits for Lambert development, local control of St. Louis police die as Missouri legislature ends session
By Jo Mannies, Beacon Political Reporter, and Jason Rosenbaum
Posted 9:57 pm Fri., 5.13.11
"Mehan said he also was disappointed by this session's failure to pass an economic development bill.
He was joined by Mike Jones, chief policy advisor to St. Louis County Executive Charlie Dooley and chairman of the regional China Hub Commission leading the effort to encourage China to locate the cargo transit hub at Lambert.
Jones had driven to the state Capitol on Friday in a last-ditch effort to rescue the proposed $360 million in tax credits, which would be used largely to encourage related warehouse development around the airport. While disappointed, Jones said he took heart in that the China Hub proposal was supported by the House and Senate. "We were not the issue," he said, " and we're well-positioned to get this passed'' if there is a special session."
link: http://www.stlbeacon.org/issues-politic ... ng-session
By Jo Mannies, Beacon Political Reporter, and Jason Rosenbaum
Posted 9:57 pm Fri., 5.13.11
"Mehan said he also was disappointed by this session's failure to pass an economic development bill.
He was joined by Mike Jones, chief policy advisor to St. Louis County Executive Charlie Dooley and chairman of the regional China Hub Commission leading the effort to encourage China to locate the cargo transit hub at Lambert.
Jones had driven to the state Capitol on Friday in a last-ditch effort to rescue the proposed $360 million in tax credits, which would be used largely to encourage related warehouse development around the airport. While disappointed, Jones said he took heart in that the China Hub proposal was supported by the House and Senate. "We were not the issue," he said, " and we're well-positioned to get this passed'' if there is a special session."
link: http://www.stlbeacon.org/issues-politic ... ng-session
A lot depends on a special session. Hopefully we can get one soon. If not! WOW!
You can't always get what you want...Isn't that what the Rolling Stones tell us? I don't think this is over yet, though, right?
I have no clue as to why this didn't pass...It is very difficult to understand, very frustrating, and unfortunately not terribly surprising...I would imagine the average Missouri voter is more concerned with deficits and gov't accountability than additional perceived taxpayer giveaways...I had hoped the legislature and governor (this issue shows how essentially impotent he is) would step through the mood of Missouri voters and pass something that is an investment in the future...It didn't happen...
I see this as ultimately the public sector not bowing to the greed of the private sector...A successful aerotropolis is there for the taking at Lambert with a lot of money to be made regardless of the presence or absence of gov't incentives...And I think we are fools for not harnessing the powerful desire of business to make even more money...This is a powerful force that creates jobs and opportunity IMO...
Let's see if there isn't a special session to get the tax credits passed...A lot of pressure on state reps and sens and the governor could make this happen...Let's also see if the private sector of St. Louis can step it up and work together to get the aerotropolis off the ground...I thought the politicians were all basically inept anyway, why pin the future aerotropolis on them?
The bottom line in my mind is that if business can't florish with the existing tax burden, then taxes are too high to start with...Gov't manipulation of the tax code to influence the marketplace is an inefficient, slow and obtuse tool in today's fast moving private sector world anyway...
And to those who would secede St. Louis from Missouri, I understand your frustration and feel it too...However your energy would be better serve Saint Louis and Missouri in the realm of reality...Yes, political games were being played and real issues are also in question...Please help the St. Louis region figure out how to win the political games and be on the winning side of the issues...Helplessness and dispair are for the weak of mind and lame of heart...
I have no clue as to why this didn't pass...It is very difficult to understand, very frustrating, and unfortunately not terribly surprising...I would imagine the average Missouri voter is more concerned with deficits and gov't accountability than additional perceived taxpayer giveaways...I had hoped the legislature and governor (this issue shows how essentially impotent he is) would step through the mood of Missouri voters and pass something that is an investment in the future...It didn't happen...
I see this as ultimately the public sector not bowing to the greed of the private sector...A successful aerotropolis is there for the taking at Lambert with a lot of money to be made regardless of the presence or absence of gov't incentives...And I think we are fools for not harnessing the powerful desire of business to make even more money...This is a powerful force that creates jobs and opportunity IMO...
Let's see if there isn't a special session to get the tax credits passed...A lot of pressure on state reps and sens and the governor could make this happen...Let's also see if the private sector of St. Louis can step it up and work together to get the aerotropolis off the ground...I thought the politicians were all basically inept anyway, why pin the future aerotropolis on them?
The bottom line in my mind is that if business can't florish with the existing tax burden, then taxes are too high to start with...Gov't manipulation of the tax code to influence the marketplace is an inefficient, slow and obtuse tool in today's fast moving private sector world anyway...
And to those who would secede St. Louis from Missouri, I understand your frustration and feel it too...However your energy would be better serve Saint Louis and Missouri in the realm of reality...Yes, political games were being played and real issues are also in question...Please help the St. Louis region figure out how to win the political games and be on the winning side of the issues...Helplessness and dispair are for the weak of mind and lame of heart...
Have a tough time believing that this can't be framed as a special session topic considering that the Senate version was about tax credit reforem. Something that Gov made a huge deal about and created a commission last year .goat314 wrote:A lot depends on a special session. Hopefully we can get one soon. If not! WOW!
From my understanding or what I could read from various article, is that House leaders were willing to come a lot closer to Senate version in terms of tax credit reform but by also tried framing it as a economic development bill with a few addition including tax breaks for data centers as well as the Areotroplis tax. In other words, it seems that compromise was within grasp with a little more time and some timely pressure.
This seems like a political no-brainer. Special session that includes tax credit reforms and therefore savings that was being touted before the session while at the same time using it as economic development legislation that could bring jobs to the states biggest GDP generator, and thus votes. I wonder if their is anybody who can make this argument effectively to force a call to special session.
^That makes sense to me...If this thing is touted as 'tax reform' and 'savings' and 'investment' and is in fact all three, then it should be an easy winner in the public square...
Consensus is the key to a special session...Teh Gov has stated he won't have a taxpayer funded debate society meet in Jeff City over the summer...Which I agree with...
Consensus is the key to a special session...Teh Gov has stated he won't have a taxpayer funded debate society meet in Jeff City over the summer...Which I agree with...
And as I sit here and think about this....Let me say I honestly, sincerely and in all seriousness hope that furniture was broken in the mayor's office today...With the door closed of course...
RobbyD wrote:You can't always get what you want...Isn't that what the Rolling Stones tell us? I don't think this is over yet, though, right?
I have no clue as to why this didn't pass...It is very difficult to understand, very frustrating, and unfortunately not terribly surprising...I would imagine the average Missouri voter is more concerned with deficits and gov't accountability than additional perceived taxpayer giveaways...I had hoped the legislature and governor (this issue shows how essentially impotent he is) would step through the mood of Missouri voters and pass something that is an investment in the future...It didn't happen...
I see this as ultimately the public sector not bowing to the greed of the private sector...A successful aerotropolis is there for the taking at Lambert with a lot of money to be made regardless of the presence or absence of gov't incentives...And I think we are fools for not harnessing the powerful desire of business to make even more money...This is a powerful force that creates jobs and opportunity IMO...
Let's see if there isn't a special session to get the tax credits passed...A lot of pressure on state reps and sens and the governor could make this happen...Let's also see if the private sector of St. Louis can step it up and work together to get the aerotropolis off the ground...I thought the politicians were all basically inept anyway, why pin the future aerotropolis on them?
The bottom line in my mind is that if business can't florish with the existing tax burden, then taxes are too high to start with...Gov't manipulation of the tax code to influence the marketplace is an inefficient, slow and obtuse tool in today's fast moving private sector world anyway...
And to those who would secede St. Louis from Missouri, I understand your frustration and feel it too...However your energy would be better serve Saint Louis and Missouri in the realm of reality...Yes, political games were being played and real issues are also in question...Please help the St. Louis region figure out how to win the political games and be on the winning side of the issues...Helplessness and dispair are for the weak of mind and lame of heart...
I don't disagree with anything here.
Essentially I put a lot of our government up there with some of the most morally defunct corporations in the United States. But just because they act that way does not mean we should avoid holding them accountable (not that I think you are saying we shouldn't). Yet, at the same time, we cannot afford to sit around and wait for them to get their act together. I, like you, think that we should do something and that businesses should be able to survive on their own. For me the real frustration is all the handouts given out. But I have come to grasp with the fact that in some cases we could use handout to make things better. Haven't seen much of that yet, but I believe it to be possible. Lets take for example TIF financing. In so many ways that has failed...and not just in STL. My major problem with TIF is that it does not create new jobs like its supposed to. Rather, there is just a shuffling of jobs. The Historic Tax credits on the other hand seem to work, so I guess that is one example of a success. Where I am going with all of this is that the tax breaks for the China hub, while handouts, could generate jobs that would benefit STLMetro greatly and probably even the entire region. So while it is a handout and I am generally not for them, I find this better than most handouts and an investment that could generate a significantly positive return.
(I probably could have said that in few words in hindsight)
RobbyD wrote:And as I sit here and think about this....Let me say I honestly, sincerely and in all seriousness hope that furniture was broken in the mayor's office today...With the door closed of course...
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They have to create a special session for this. There is no way they can leave this bill on the table without revisiting it for another year. They agreed to come down to 90 million when the originally wanted a cap of 110. It's a complete shame the ones who want the cap at 70 wouldn't meet halfway. I think local control will be left up to Rex.