Lack of a front porch for the proposed house at 5766 Pershing is a concern for me.
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Here is an example of what can be done, in a narrow, deep plan, and which could be adapted for city lots pretty easily. This is the kind of architecture we need a lot more of. Note the absence of brick.
Could something like that (im sure the roof would have to be redesigned) get approved in a city neighborhood?
I don't see why not. It's not even like particularly high standards must be met. Obviously.
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I not a fan of brick and siding combos either. But the proposed homes in Soulard look good... siding only would be on the rear and unnoticed, except for the corner one which would be all brick b/c of its visual prominence. I wouldn't mind some nice contemporary homes though in some of these nabes for a bit of flavor.Kevin B wrote:I feel like there should be a pretty simple formula for determining how much of a building's non-street-facing side(s) can be covered in siding. For instance, if there's a five foot gangway, facing brick need only be wrapped 5-8 feet back; if it's ten feet, maybe you need to have brick cladding for the first 20 feet of depth. For anything larger, the whole of the side needs to be brick, but it doesn't need to be of the same quality as that of the primary facade. Of course, this wouldn't apply for corner buildings...
Bad brick is actually worse than vinyl, having thought about it some more. To remediate a bad brick job requires the fairly costly removal of brick, which if not replaced by brick of some sort, may actually lower the property value. It requires the construction of window frames - and not those excrement butt miter jointed window frames that look like complete garbage, but real window frames with a drip rail on top, post and lintel framing, and an angled sill at the bottom of the lower panel, that look like someone with basic carpentry skills built them. It will probably require adding 2x2's to all the studs so the walls are a proper thickness and not just chintzy, disposable 2x4s with no depth, and aren't narrower than the foundation. It will require construction of a porch, which means a foundation. it will require some attention to the third floor/attic level, which as it stands is a vast expanse of brick nothingness. An interdimensional void of cement and clay. No, these houses are worse than bad, because they are build Just Well Enough that they aren't going anywhere for a Very Long Time. They're like those bad midcentury houses near Lindell and Union that have aged so poorly, and are little more than teardowns.
And that barn is stylish, and would look great with windows.
And that barn is stylish, and would look great with windows.
X3 has been issued a $140,000 building permit for a house at 5766 Pershing. One less LRA lot!
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A (pretty ugly) one story apartment complex at the corner of Des Peres and McPherson was demolished last week. Not sad to see it go, but curious to know what might replace it. Anyone know what is planned for the site?
What's the general consensus of the neighborhood currently? My wife and I are considering selling our home in Affton and moving into a multi-family of some sort. My wife has taken a liking to a couple units on Pershing (which is mild surprise; she's been cool to the city in the past. But I'm thrilled).
Aside from the trolley construction are there any reasons to be concerned? I'm kinda in love with the idea of moving into Debaliviere Place, but have little experience with the day-to-day of the neighborhood or any of the apartment buildings along Pershing.
Also, one of the listings on Waterman mention access to a nearby community pool. I don't see one on Google Maps; any idea where that might be?
A move isn't imminent; still have to do some work on our place in order to get it into show shape. But I'm hoping to look in the area and would appreciate feedback good and bad.
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Aside from the trolley construction are there any reasons to be concerned? I'm kinda in love with the idea of moving into Debaliviere Place, but have little experience with the day-to-day of the neighborhood or any of the apartment buildings along Pershing.
Also, one of the listings on Waterman mention access to a nearby community pool. I don't see one on Google Maps; any idea where that might be?
A move isn't imminent; still have to do some work on our place in order to get it into show shape. But I'm hoping to look in the area and would appreciate feedback good and bad.
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There's a pool on the north side of Waterman, just west of Clara.rbb wrote:What's the general consensus of the neighborhood currently? My wife and I are considering selling our home in Affton and moving into a multi-family of some sort. My wife has taken a liking to a couple units on Pershing (which is mild surprise; she's been cool to the city in the past. But I'm thrilled).
Aside from the trolley construction are there any reasons to be concerned? I'm kinda in love with the idea of moving into Debaliviere Place, but have little experience with the day-to-day of the neighborhood or any of the apartment buildings along Pershing.
Also, one of the listings on Waterman mention access to a nearby community pool. I don't see one on Google Maps; any idea where that might be?
A move isn't imminent; still have to do some work on our place in order to get it into show shape. But I'm hoping to look in the area and would appreciate feedback good and bad.
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I lived in DeBaliviere Place for years and loved it. I rented on Pershing and Clara and owned a condo on Pershing. I never had any problems living on Pershing, but Clara was quieter, and I would imagine Waterman is pretty quiet as well. I rented at 533 Clara, which was an awesome building that has since been converted to condos - really cool units there.
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I lived there in the mid- to late-90s and loved it. We doubled our money on that condo purchase when we moved out. Looking back I wish we had kept it. The residential buildings have improved a great deal since then, but I think the corner of Pershing and DeBaliviere has noticeably declined.
The good thing is I doubt it could get any worse, and it is beyond me why that area along DeBaliviere is not some nice, dense, mixed-use development. When that happens this will be the place to be.
The good thing is I doubt it could get any worse, and it is beyond me why that area along DeBaliviere is not some nice, dense, mixed-use development. When that happens this will be the place to be.
Thanks debaliviere and mattonarsenal, I sincerely appreciate the feedback.
deb, I assume the pool is only for collection of buildings on Waterman owned by the same group, correct?
matt, what has declined, specifically?
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deb, I assume the pool is only for collection of buildings on Waterman owned by the same group, correct?
matt, what has declined, specifically?
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I lived at Union and Washington about 7 years ago for a few years.
There's a little strip mall with a Papa John's, a Subway and some other retail that has seen better days. At the corner of Pershing and DeBaliviere there's some retail space that can't seem to hold tennants. The Metrolink stop is right by there and can come off as a little sketchy at times.
It really isn't bad, but it doesn't look great. The neighborhood is really strong off of Debaliviere. I don't see it getting worse. In fact I'd say there's a lot of upside with the trolley coming.
There's a little strip mall with a Papa John's, a Subway and some other retail that has seen better days. At the corner of Pershing and DeBaliviere there's some retail space that can't seem to hold tennants. The Metrolink stop is right by there and can come off as a little sketchy at times.
It really isn't bad, but it doesn't look great. The neighborhood is really strong off of Debaliviere. I don't see it getting worse. In fact I'd say there's a lot of upside with the trolley coming.
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I've been at the eastern edge of the neighborhood (Pershing and Union) for 18 years. I think it's great. I walk the neighborhood most nights around 9 p.m. without ever having any problems.
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I think anyone in the neighborhood can pay dues and use the pool, but I'm not 100% sure on that.rbb wrote:deb, I assume the pool is only for collection of buildings on Waterman owned by the same group, correct?
With the trolley bringing people into the neighborhood down DeBaliviere, I can only imagine that the retail strip will be redeveloped at some point soon. McCormack Baron had talked about tearing down the existing strip to replace it with a mixed-use TOD project - that would be huge for the neighborhood.
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The 80's strip mall hasn't seen any improvement, so it has just generally aged and looks worse than it did 15 years ago.rbb wrote:matt, what has declined, specifically?
And same with the other buildings, there is has just been a lack of investment at that corner, so the appearance and condition continues to decline with age.
Given the improvements of the rest of that neighborhood, CWE, Wash U, etc. I would have expected these properties to have improved. Perhaps everyone has just been waiting to cash in when the trolley comes through.
I'm not negative on the neighborhood. If I was looking for a condo in the city, I would look here first. Lots of great options at reasonable prices, with some room for improvement.
^ I Believe this corner/strip mall was part of a TOD study or work shop, etc. but still under private ownership. Can someone with better insight explain or give a little history.
I think a TOD Mixed Used development at this location would be great use of recent New Market Tax credits awarded. Probably second behind Green Street tech rehab/re-use project on Jefferson Ave imo or anything that gets a major tenant into ATT One center/new Class A space in the city (whether it be BPV or US Metals Site).
I think a TOD Mixed Used development at this location would be great use of recent New Market Tax credits awarded. Probably second behind Green Street tech rehab/re-use project on Jefferson Ave imo or anything that gets a major tenant into ATT One center/new Class A space in the city (whether it be BPV or US Metals Site).
I lived in Skink-D from 1985 to 2003, and can't speak highly enough about the neighbourhood. There are the longstanding strengths: Metrolink, Forest Park and Loop access, Bill Christman's. And newer ones: the ever eastward expanding Loop, the proximity of United Provisions, and the soon-to-be streetcar. One aspect that can't be overemphasised is the value of Wash. U. to the neighborhood. It drives interest and value from an investment perspective, but has also invested a lot directly, exemplified by the constant campus security patrols and the recent lighting investments along Skinker from The Parkway to Delmar.
I also lived in Debaliviere Place for about 6 months. Another great neighborhood that shares many of the same strengths. I may be bit biased toward Skink-D, but I do prefer it's walkable proximity to retail/dining/drinking in the Loop. That said, the Loop Trolley will make The Loop plenty accessible to eastern Skink-D and at least the western half of Debaliviere Place.
Either way, you can't go wrong.
I also lived in Debaliviere Place for about 6 months. Another great neighborhood that shares many of the same strengths. I may be bit biased toward Skink-D, but I do prefer it's walkable proximity to retail/dining/drinking in the Loop. That said, the Loop Trolley will make The Loop plenty accessible to eastern Skink-D and at least the western half of Debaliviere Place.
Either way, you can't go wrong.
