Yeah, I definitely agree that the City is fine in terms of movie theaters. Losing Hi Pointe or Chase would not be worth a shorter drive for South City residents.
Just went for the first time to MX THEATRES downtown. (Not a huge movie goer). But we have dinner at Porano (very yum) and then movie. The MX is wonderful. What a cool vibe place. The seats are huge comfy and wide and the theatre stadium seating was perfect. I'm addition the sound and quality was great. Only going there for movies when I do go.
Start Bar STL has officially announced their concept today. This will be next door to Wheelhouse (downtown), with the same owners as WH (maybe a few more, not sure). It seems like a very cool concept; pizza, candy, video games, beer. I have missed beer and video games since Tin Can on Morganford closed.
Is there an article?MRNHS wrote:Start Bar STL has officially announced their concept today. This will be next door to Wheelhouse (downtown), with the same owners as WH (maybe a few more, not sure). It seems like a very cool concept; pizza, candy, video games, beer. I have missed beer and video games since Tin Can on Morganford closed.
No article that I have seen, but their Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram pages went live. One of the WH owners shared the post, which said they are opening in June. I walked by the space last night and it looked like construction is going on inside. I would imagine that an article/website will be coming soon, as the post said they have tapped Atomicdust to do their marketing (possibly the concept design too, it was unclear in the post).
Ok, thanks. Sounds exciting.MRNHS wrote:No article that I have seen, but their Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram pages went live. One of the WH owners shared the post, which said they are opening in June. I walked by the space last night and it looked like construction is going on inside. I would imagine that an article/website will be coming soon, as the post said they have tapped Atomicdust to do their marketing (possibly the concept design too, it was unclear in the post).
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Audra Angelique and Audrey Faulstich are on a mission to provide downtown St. Louis healthy alternatives for those with food allergies and intolerances. Their experiences with specialty diets inspired them to launch A2 The GFCF Cafe and Restaurant, which opened doors on April 11 at 1330 Washington Ave. - See more at: http://www.saucemagazine.com/blog/?p=44747#.dpuf
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here's a write-up on Start Bar aiming for june opening
http://www.stlmag.com/dining/start-bar- ... e-opening/
http://www.stlmag.com/dining/start-bar- ... e-opening/
And here's Feast Magazine's feature:
http://www.feastmagazine.com/the-feed/s ... 766e5.html
I was under the impression that it would have Sega/N64/etc type games but it doesn't sound like it from the articles. Still seems like a unique concept though, which should be a nice draw to downtown.
http://www.feastmagazine.com/the-feed/s ... 766e5.html
I was under the impression that it would have Sega/N64/etc type games but it doesn't sound like it from the articles. Still seems like a unique concept though, which should be a nice draw to downtown.
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City Observatory has a pretty cool Storefront Index that maps storefronts in a 3 mile radius from the downtown CBD... it looks at the largest 51 cities, so Saint Louis is included:
http://cityobservatory.org/the-storefront-index/ (overview, including discussion of saint louis)
http://cityobservatory.org/maps/storefronts/#41180 (saint louis map)
Each dot supposedly maps "each storefront within a cluster of storefronts" (i.e. has to be within 100 meters of another storefront) it's not nearly 100% accurate but pretty interesting nevertheless. Cherokee Street gets picked up in our radius, btw, but just the tip of the Grand South Grand district.
http://cityobservatory.org/the-storefront-index/ (overview, including discussion of saint louis)
http://cityobservatory.org/maps/storefronts/#41180 (saint louis map)
Each dot supposedly maps "each storefront within a cluster of storefronts" (i.e. has to be within 100 meters of another storefront) it's not nearly 100% accurate but pretty interesting nevertheless. Cherokee Street gets picked up in our radius, btw, but just the tip of the Grand South Grand district.
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^ S. Grand got screwed; definitely undercounted. So again not very reliable, but still interesting.
This really surprises me:
Lucky's considering downtown St. Louis grocery
Sources say Lucky's would occupy about 20,000 square feet of space formerly occupied by the London Tea Room and the English Living furniture store.
While it would be great for Downtown West and Ely Walker, can downtown really support two decent-sized grocers?
Lucky's considering downtown St. Louis grocery
Sources say Lucky's would occupy about 20,000 square feet of space formerly occupied by the London Tea Room and the English Living furniture store.
While it would be great for Downtown West and Ely Walker, can downtown really support two decent-sized grocers?
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^ good question on what would be their demographic.... for folks west of Grand, the CWE Schnuck's. Straub's and now Whole Foods would seem to be more convenient for most although some might prefer Lucky's. But also in play is that Park Central has luring a grocer as a priority and I'm sure something will be coming within the next few years to serve that area around Grand Center/Cortex.
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roger wyoming II wrote:This really surprises me:
Lucky's considering downtown St. Louis grocery
Sources say Lucky's would occupy about 20,000 square feet of space formerly occupied by the London Tea Room and the English Living furniture store.
While it would be great for Downtown West and Ely Walker, can downtown really support two decent-sized grocers?
Link?
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^ thanks for covering for me.
While on the subject of Greater Downtown area grocery stores, anyone know how the Field's Foods is holding up after a couple years now open? I recall they had plans for several more stores but I haven't heard anything recently.
While on the subject of Greater Downtown area grocery stores, anyone know how the Field's Foods is holding up after a couple years now open? I recall they had plans for several more stores but I haven't heard anything recently.
This kinda makes sense with CPI building potentially coming online and with all the existing lofts west of Tucker-ish. For those in the Locust Street Lofts (near Jefferson) and Majestic Stove, Adler...Culinaria is not walkable on lousy days and is basically a car ride away. Now, not sure if the population can support two, but I fantasize that having a grocery store here will make this area more appealing. And then the Butler Bros, Dragon Trading Company and the parking lot to the west start seeing some action.
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^ good points.... ideally both downtown and downtown west each could have a grocer and drug store. But if only one grocery and one drug store could be supported, in terms of serving residents I'd think having them located along Tucker or within a block or two would be the most convenient... I believe both neighborhoods have roughly the same population.
But back to Lucky's hopefully it works out. And when it comes to workers. I was really surprised to see that Downtown West actually has a higher count than Downtown, at least according to a recent SLDC report. So maybe it will. And as you say, I can certainly see it helping nudge mixed-use projects along.
But back to Lucky's hopefully it works out. And when it comes to workers. I was really surprised to see that Downtown West actually has a higher count than Downtown, at least according to a recent SLDC report. So maybe it will. And as you say, I can certainly see it helping nudge mixed-use projects along.
Other points to consider:
1. Lucky's is organic-leaning. It's niche, but not everyone likes organic. Culinaria is not. So Lucky's would be just an additional or supplemental "option". I could see downtown residents shopping at both.
2. Some people keep ignoring the fact that north of Washington Avenue (and Delmar), there's a food desert. O'Fallon Place, Columbus Square, St. Louis Place, Murphy Park, and parts of JVL are grossly underserved. Lucky's would be closer than Culnaria or even Save-A-Lot in Midtown for some shoppers.
3. Lucky's is now partly owned by Kroger, which has been quietly pushing its way back into the STL market with Ruler Foods and outskirt Kroger stores.
4. Wouldn't surprise me one bit that they (Kroger) could be coming after Schnucks in downtown OR they are understanding (or anticipating) the growing demographics downtown. Schnucks wouldn't need to close, but Schnucks gets spooked too easily, just like most home-grown enterprises, so it wouldn't surprise me if they ran for the hills with the arrival of Lucky's. Schnucks would be foolish to leave downtown though.
5. The signs of a healthy downtown is more enterprise. Let these enterprises do what they do........and that is compete. Lucky's could potentially bring in (or draw) other retailers, whereas Schnucks for some reason, could not.
With all of that said, I do think downtown can support two stores. Between the two, there would not even be 50,000 of grocery space downtown. And too, like shadrach, I feel that as more housing comes on line downtown, there's going to be enough commerce to go around. Keep in mind that Station Plaza is sitting over by Union Station, more residents have moved to those CityView and Plaza Square apartments near the 7-11 store. The Jefferson Arms is coming. Brandonview's LLC Gallery on Locust and Gallery at 720 units. Then of course we have the full Arcade Building, the CPI Building along with all of the others previously mentioned coming.
Trust me, when the NGA gets going, Downtown West is going to take off with new infill residential too.
Last, this is why getting the new streetcar rolling through downtown and the Central Corridor is important.
1. Lucky's is organic-leaning. It's niche, but not everyone likes organic. Culinaria is not. So Lucky's would be just an additional or supplemental "option". I could see downtown residents shopping at both.
2. Some people keep ignoring the fact that north of Washington Avenue (and Delmar), there's a food desert. O'Fallon Place, Columbus Square, St. Louis Place, Murphy Park, and parts of JVL are grossly underserved. Lucky's would be closer than Culnaria or even Save-A-Lot in Midtown for some shoppers.
3. Lucky's is now partly owned by Kroger, which has been quietly pushing its way back into the STL market with Ruler Foods and outskirt Kroger stores.
4. Wouldn't surprise me one bit that they (Kroger) could be coming after Schnucks in downtown OR they are understanding (or anticipating) the growing demographics downtown. Schnucks wouldn't need to close, but Schnucks gets spooked too easily, just like most home-grown enterprises, so it wouldn't surprise me if they ran for the hills with the arrival of Lucky's. Schnucks would be foolish to leave downtown though.
5. The signs of a healthy downtown is more enterprise. Let these enterprises do what they do........and that is compete. Lucky's could potentially bring in (or draw) other retailers, whereas Schnucks for some reason, could not.
With all of that said, I do think downtown can support two stores. Between the two, there would not even be 50,000 of grocery space downtown. And too, like shadrach, I feel that as more housing comes on line downtown, there's going to be enough commerce to go around. Keep in mind that Station Plaza is sitting over by Union Station, more residents have moved to those CityView and Plaza Square apartments near the 7-11 store. The Jefferson Arms is coming. Brandonview's LLC Gallery on Locust and Gallery at 720 units. Then of course we have the full Arcade Building, the CPI Building along with all of the others previously mentioned coming.
Trust me, when the NGA gets going, Downtown West is going to take off with new infill residential too.
Last, this is why getting the new streetcar rolling through downtown and the Central Corridor is important.
A grocer in that spot would be a perfect addition in my opinion: adding constant foot traffic is a plus in an area not dominated by restaurants and shops the way post office plaza is, perhaps that is why culinaria didn't draw in more retailers than it did; shops already existed there. Culinaria did bring in a lot of need foot traffic though (and perhaps with more and more apt and hotel plans nearby maybe it has done more than we give it credit).
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Initially I was skeptical about this location. But I did some research this morning and think Downtown West could support this grocery. There are 8800 residents per full service grocery in the US. And studies of gentrified urban areas have suggested that 1500 residents can support a 20,000 s.f. grocer. (Professionals but a lot more high-profit prepared foods.) Downtown West has around 5,000 residents.
