McDonald's boat returns
Please, let it be so!GoHarvOrGoHome wrote: ↑Feb 01, 2024McDonald's boat returns
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nice guesses! lets wait for @dbInSouthCitykbshapiro wrote: ↑Feb 01, 2024I’m guessing either Mike Shannon’s building or CityGarden
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I'm guessing Twin Peaks at the former Big Daddy's on the Landing or the Tigin space.
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^I'd take that. I'd honestly be happy if they completely backdated that hotel. De-skin it. Bring the balconies back. Bring back the color, the old garage screen, the modness of it all. It was a neat old place in some ways. There were still some traces of the Trader Vic's when I briefly worked there.
There's a Trader Vic's still in Atlanta. I keep forgetting to go to it when I'm down there.Tim wrote: ↑Feb 02, 2024Trader Vics - The Return
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Ted Drewes at CityGardenkbshapiro wrote: ↑Feb 01, 2024I’m guessing either Mike Shannon’s building or CityGarden
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Downtowns newest restaurant is now open at 500 N 14th, Amaizing Arepa Bar
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Interesting article presenting both sides of the bill to streamline the liquor licensing process:
https://www.riverfronttimes.com/news/st ... t-41877279
https://www.riverfronttimes.com/news/st ... t-41877279
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Listen, I’m not going to click on that link and read it until you or someone answers this- is the opposition Les Sterman and or Dan Pistor? I’m willing to bet $10,000 that it is.
Congrats on the $10k, it was Dan Pistor.
His opposition was confusing to me, like I don't imagine that 50+% of Reign's sales were on food, so a similar establishment would still have to go through the plat and petition process, no?
I'm supportive of the bill, but one nitpick I do have is the notion that "proponents of ending the plat and petition process also argue that it is...unsafe for those uncomfortable with going door to door." There's a big difference between being uncomfortable and being unsafe. Anyone who's knocked on doors for a political campaign or whatever knows it can be awkward but I suspect anyone who claims it is unsafe just hasn't ever knocked on their neighbor's door before and is irrationally afraid of strangers. I remember once doing door to door canvassing in a public housing complex in North City and while I was nervious, nothing happened.
His opposition was confusing to me, like I don't imagine that 50+% of Reign's sales were on food, so a similar establishment would still have to go through the plat and petition process, no?
I'm supportive of the bill, but one nitpick I do have is the notion that "proponents of ending the plat and petition process also argue that it is...unsafe for those uncomfortable with going door to door." There's a big difference between being uncomfortable and being unsafe. Anyone who's knocked on doors for a political campaign or whatever knows it can be awkward but I suspect anyone who claims it is unsafe just hasn't ever knocked on their neighbor's door before and is irrationally afraid of strangers. I remember once doing door to door canvassing in a public housing complex in North City and while I was nervious, nothing happened.
Haha, you KNOW it is. They want no new businesses to open downtown, ever.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Feb 15, 2024Listen, I’m not going to click on that link and read it until you or someone answers this- is the opposition Les Sterman and or Dan Pistor? I’m willing to bet $10,000 that it is.
On the bill itself, it's a step in the right direction considering we are the only city that has the "beg the neighbors for approval" process (except Chicago for 4 am licenses). Still seems like it could be a little more business friendly but at least it eliminates the thickest of the red tape.
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If I was planning to open a bar I wouldn't even consider Wash Ave as a choice unless the LL process changes. Just the past couple years have seen several concepts die in the water because of the arcane signature process. I'm sure I'm not the only person to feel this way.
Wash Ave should be our signature corridor of vibrancy. It should be think with vibrancy and businesses at least between 9th and 16th. Ideally between the Arch and Jefferson one day. Clear up this LL log jam and I think Wash Ave turns around pretty fast. We have bar/restuarant spaces built out and ready to go in the former spaces of:
Wash Ave should be our signature corridor of vibrancy. It should be think with vibrancy and businesses at least between 9th and 16th. Ideally between the Arch and Jefferson one day. Clear up this LL log jam and I think Wash Ave turns around pretty fast. We have bar/restuarant spaces built out and ready to go in the former spaces of:
- Tigin
- Hamburger Mary's
- Gringo
- Reign (needs extra work)
- Plager's Lounge
- Wasabi Sushi
- Lucas Park Grill
- Friendly's (LL process victim)
- Flannery's
- Sliced Pint
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Updates on a few of thoseGoHarvOrGoHome wrote: ↑Feb 15, 2024If I was planning to open a bar I wouldn't even consider Wash Ave as a choice unless the LL process changes. Just the past couple years have seen several concepts die in the water because of the arcane signature process. I'm sure I'm not the only person to feel this way.
Wash Ave should be our signature corridor of vibrancy. It should be think with vibrancy and businesses at least between 9th and 16th. Ideally between the Arch and Jefferson one day. Clear up this LL log jam and I think Wash Ave turns around pretty fast. We have bar/restuarant spaces built out and ready to go in the former spaces of:Imagine what Wash Ave could feel like with new concepts in even half of these spaces.
- Tigin
- Hamburger Mary's
- Gringo
- Reign (needs extra work)
- Plager's Lounge
- Wasabi Sushi
- Lucas Park Grill
- Friendly's (LL process victim)
- Flannery's
- Sliced Pint
Plagers is now a pharmacy
Reign space was just sold, renovation starting soon
Flannerys is still a chips making factory
Lucas Park Grill- whiskey on Washington was suppose to move there but than the building sold and that stalled
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I saw the pharmacy moved into the old Bobby's Place but the connecting doorway is now walled off and Plager's Lounge is still for lease.
Also, getting off track a bit, do you know when the pharmacy is expected to open? Walked by yesterday and there was a sign saying there was no pharmacist on duty, but looking inside it still looks unfinished and is unstocked.
Also, getting off track a bit, do you know when the pharmacy is expected to open? Walked by yesterday and there was a sign saying there was no pharmacist on duty, but looking inside it still looks unfinished and is unstocked.
Several restaurants owners won't even consider the city itself (not just Wash Ave) due to this process alone. Why would anyone want to go through months and months of red tape with no guarantee of a positive result when you can gain approval in Clayton or Maplewood or anywhere in the county in just a few weeks?GoHarvOrGoHome wrote: ↑Feb 15, 2024If I was planning to open a bar I wouldn't even consider Wash Ave as a choice unless the LL process changes. Just the past couple years have seen several concepts die in the water because of the arcane signature process. I'm sure I'm not the only person to feel this way.
Wash Ave should be our signature corridor of vibrancy. It should be think with vibrancy and businesses at least between 9th and 16th. Ideally between the Arch and Jefferson one day. Clear up this LL log jam and I think Wash Ave turns around pretty fast. We have bar/restuarant spaces built out and ready to go in the former spaces of:Imagine what Wash Ave could feel like with new concepts in even half of these spaces.
- Tigin
- Hamburger Mary's
- Gringo
- Reign (needs extra work)
- Plager's Lounge
- Wasabi Sushi
- Lucas Park Grill
- Friendly's (LL process victim)
- Flannery's
- Sliced Pint
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^ mostly for money. A restaurant on Washington in MX will blow away any restaurant in maplewood or even Clayton since it’s down 40% in traffic since Covid.(downtown is -15% compared to 2019 in traffic but +6% in spending)
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That doesn’t mean a restaurant on Washington will “blow away” a restaurant in Clayton or Maplewood. I’m sure there are numerous restaurants in both Clayton or Maplewood getting far more traffic than a restaurant downtown.dbInSouthCity wrote:^ mostly for money. A restaurant on Washington in MX will blow away any restaurant in maplewood or even Clayton since it’s down 40% in traffic since Covid.(downtown is -15% compared to 2019 in traffic but +6% in spending)
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I’m sure there are, point is a restaurant has a better chance to succeed when it has 30,000,000+ potential annual customers.Debaliviere91 wrote: ↑Feb 15, 2024That doesn’t mean a restaurant on Washington will “blow away” a restaurant in Clayton or Maplewood. I’m sure there are numerous restaurants in both Clayton or Maplewood getting far more traffic than a restaurant downtown.dbInSouthCity wrote:^ mostly for money. A restaurant on Washington in MX will blow away any restaurant in maplewood or even Clayton since it’s down 40% in traffic since Covid.(downtown is -15% compared to 2019 in traffic but +6% in spending)
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Then I have to wonder why restaurateurs aren’t making that connection, with all the vacancy on Wash Ave.dbInSouthCity wrote:I’m sure there are, point is a restaurant has a better chance to succeed when it has 30,000,000+ potential annual customers.Debaliviere91 wrote: ↑Feb 15, 2024That doesn’t mean a restaurant on Washington will “blow away” a restaurant in Clayton or Maplewood. I’m sure there are numerous restaurants in both Clayton or Maplewood getting far more traffic than a restaurant downtown.dbInSouthCity wrote:^ mostly for money. A restaurant on Washington in MX will blow away any restaurant in maplewood or even Clayton since it’s down 40% in traffic since Covid.(downtown is -15% compared to 2019 in traffic but +6% in spending)
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Not going to blame GSL just yet for lack of promotion because they are rolling out something this spring but you are starting to see in news how Sugar Fire does $5-6M and its their highest grossing location, same for Salt and Smoke, same for Katies Pizza, Ukraft etc.Debaliviere91 wrote: ↑Feb 15, 2024Then I have to wonder why restaurateurs aren’t making that connection, with all the vacancy on Wash Ave.dbInSouthCity wrote:I’m sure there are, point is a restaurant has a better chance to succeed when it has 30,000,000+ potential annual customers.Debaliviere91 wrote: ↑Feb 15, 2024That doesn’t mean a restaurant on Washington will “blow away” a restaurant in Clayton or Maplewood. I’m sure there are numerous restaurants in both Clayton or Maplewood getting far more traffic than a restaurant downtown.