3,311
Life MemberLife Member
3,311

PostMar 10, 2009#376

eh, good one Central...



i thought that was the purpose of the screen. That was THE item that was going to make this park unique. what will now be the attraction? will there be tables and chairs at this park ala Bryant Park in NY? how will this park NOT turn into the dead zones of 90% of the other city parks downtown? This park looks very cool, but maybe a building would have been better..

169
Junior MemberJunior Member
169

PostMar 25, 2009#377

Workers were testing the waterfall this morning. It looked very nice. Can't wait for the sculpture to be installed.

1,878
Never Logs OffNever Logs Off
1,878

PostMar 25, 2009#378





-RBB

597
Senior MemberSenior Member
597

PostMar 25, 2009#379

u2acro wrote:
Grover wrote:^ I hope the screen is used as often as possible. I would love to see Goonies playing as I walk from the Metrolink to Rooster for french toast one Sunday morning!


I would watch Goonies every damn day if I could. And if it were showing outside, I KNOW I'd be able to pull my friends in from the near 'burbs to watch it downtown. :)


I'd rather watch The Sandlot

169
Junior MemberJunior Member
169

PostMar 31, 2009#380

looks like the plaza is complete. The sculpture is installed!

1,044
Expert MemberExpert Member
1,044

PostApr 01, 2009#381

Hopefully this will look better once the water is turned on, otherwise it doesn't look much different than a big box parking lot with a few trees planted in the islands. There is way too much paving on the site, one of the reasons I prefer the city garden to this space.

169
Junior MemberJunior Member
169

PostApr 01, 2009#382

The water is in the pools now. The lighting is pretty dramatic at night. Let's hope there is money to maintain this "private" space. As it is now, I think it is a very effective addition to downtown.

8,912
Life MemberLife Member
8,912

PostApr 02, 2009#383





Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 1:55pm CDT

Old Post Office Plaza to open Friday

A decade after city planners conceived of the plot of land as a park, the $8 million Old Post Office Plaza will officially open Friday...



...

The location was picked, in part, as a way to ensure that sunlight into the rehabbed Old Post Office isn’t blocked, Cloar said.



The park features a sculpture of the torso of Greek legend Icarus by artist Igor Mitoraj, a three-story waterfall and a zinc-paneled wall.



Cloar said he hopes sports fans attending the women’s Final Four basketball tournament at Scottrade Center this weekend will visit the park, which will feature bands, dancers, a magician, a puppet show and other family-friendly entertainment as part of its grand opening celebration.



Downtown Now! will contract with the Community Improvement District to maintain the park, which will cost $50,000 a year. The U.S. Bancorp Community Development Corp., the St. Louis Brownfields Cleanup Fund and the Gateway Foundation also supported the project.



http://stlouis.bizjournals.com/stlouis/ ... rround=lfn

5,433
Super ModeratorSuper Moderator
5,433

PostApr 07, 2009#384

southcitygent wrote:Hopefully this will look better once the water is turned on, otherwise it doesn't look much different than a big box parking lot with a few trees planted in the islands. There is way too much paving on the site, one of the reasons I prefer the city garden to this space.


That's what I thought when I looked at it yesterday morning, although at that point it was snowing heavily and the water feature wasn't operating. I hope the screen will work, because if it won't, it's one hell of a waste.



The screen and water feature are the things that will make the space inviting, because without them, it's rather barren in my opinion.

2,831
Life MemberLife Member
2,831

PostApr 09, 2009#385

The fountain looked great on Friday night when I walking the dog. The space is very modern and beautiufl at night I may add.

2,427
Life MemberLife Member
2,427

PostApr 09, 2009#386

But where will all the suburbanites park when they come flocking to the Plaza???



Why, the Garage Mahal of course!

6,775
Life MemberLife Member
6,775

PostApr 09, 2009#387

STLgasm wrote:But where will all the suburbanites park when they come flocking to the Plaza???



Why, the Garage Mahal of course!


That's where I would park, if I didn't live downtown.

11K
Life MemberLife Member
11K

PostApr 09, 2009#388

I walked by the plaza yesterday and I think it's pretty cool. To be useful it has to be large enough for events and not feel as though it's tucked into an alley or wedged next to a building - one the trees mature it will look even better and once there are some events that actually bring people out it will be fantastic. This could/should serve at the heart of downtown activities.

47
New MemberNew Member
47

PostApr 09, 2009#389

shouldn't the heart of downtown activities be keiner plaza??? shouldn't a renovation have been done to that also? perhaps instead?

11K
Life MemberLife Member
11K

PostApr 09, 2009#390

I don't think so. Kiener is anything but intimate - I don't think that entire stand-alone blocks with very little immediate surrounding density can serve that function. With two lifeless garages, an empty courthouse/museum, etc. surrounding it Kiener isn't attractive. Not to mention it's not a natural crossing point for those using metrolink, there's no real retail and there's zero adjacent residential to the south.

6,775
Life MemberLife Member
6,775

PostApr 09, 2009#391

denlp02 wrote:shouldn't the heart of downtown activities be keiner plaza??? shouldn't a renovation have been done to that also? perhaps instead?


That's part of the Gateway Mall plan from last year, assuming it is still active.

549
Senior MemberSenior Member
549

PostApr 09, 2009#392

The Central Scrutinizer wrote:
denlp02 wrote:shouldn't the heart of downtown activities be keiner plaza??? shouldn't a renovation have been done to that also? perhaps instead?


That's part of the Gateway Mall plan from last year, assuming it is still active.


The redesign of the space (done by HOK) is fantastic. The services that would be added to the block are significant and would certainly improve activity. All I can rember off the top of my head are a tourist information booth and bike rentals and a cafe with outdoor seating, plus a place to recharge electric cars.



I don't have time right now to find the renderings but maybe later. I saw them as part of the presentation the city put together when asking for stimulus money. The link to that PDF is floating around somewhere on The Forum.



Even with these changes, Kiener Plaza won't be able to compete with OPO Plaza because it lacks significant immediately adjacent density.

12K
Life MemberLife Member
12K

PostApr 10, 2009#393

Come on, guys; OPO Plaza is cool and all, but it will never draw the crowds that Kiener Plaza does.



Kiener is a natural gathering place. It's large and made for crowds. It's close to the Arch and the Stadium. It's centrally located and offers great views of Downtown in all directions. It's bordered by two major hotels (well OK, the Hyatt is a block away), four major office buildings (counting the vaccant General American), and two significant historic structures.

11K
Life MemberLife Member
11K

PostApr 10, 2009#394

^ Are you joking?



The only times I've seen "crowds" at Kiener are for Cards World Championship parades and the like. The plaza is rather empty save for special events. I think OPOP will operate more like downtown's living room - lots of smaller events. There are only a few things that would need more space.

8,912
Life MemberLife Member
8,912

PostApr 10, 2009#395

I'd have to agree with Framer on this. I don't see OPO plaza as a large crowd meeting place. It was never designed for such.

729
Senior MemberSenior Member
729

PostApr 10, 2009#396

I see this as a decent gathering space for DT workers and residents, especially on nice days. But really think the niche for this plaza is for special events. I have already seen a couple of wedding parties stop for photos on weekends and know they are heavily marketing the plaza specifically for special events.



I think the new City Garden will become the area of choice for larger crowds to gather as a meeting place, especially if there is a decent restaurant that goes in there. The layout of the would-be restaurant is very inviting to grab some food and then walk out and spread out on the surrounding steps. I think this place could be packed on any given work day as well as game days but we'll see.

2,687
Super ModeratorSuper Moderator
2,687

PostApr 12, 2009#397

denlp02 wrote:shouldn't the heart of downtown activities be keiner plaza??? shouldn't a renovation have been done to that also? perhaps instead?


Take that plaza down and put in a 1000 footer.

12K
Life MemberLife Member
12K

PostApr 12, 2009#398

Grover wrote: I think OPOP will operate more like downtown's living room - lots of smaller events.


Right. And Kiener will continue to host the big events, festivals, sports rallies, etc. In other words, it will continue to serve as the heart of Downtown activities.



Irocktheparty makes a good point about the new sculpture park. It'll be interesting to see how many Downtown sun-worshipers shift their noontime respite there from Kiener.

11K
Life MemberLife Member
11K

PostApr 12, 2009#399

^ Really? Are we going to argue about what the "heart" of downtown means? I guess I was thinking the the "heart" of downtown would be the area that downtown residents frequent, a place this is generally active and crucial part of regular activity. Anyway - despite word differences I guess we agree!

12K
Life MemberLife Member
12K

PostApr 12, 2009#400

My plaza can beat up your plaza. :wink:

Read more posts (149 remaining)