this might help dt2007 - New condos ON TOP of the new garage.
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Condos like that are coming sooner or later. We just have to rehab and fill up the empty building first. Less than 10 left I believe.
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10 left at the Park Pacific?
That was the rendering I was trying to find. Much more pleasant than what's going up now.
That was the rendering I was trying to find. Much more pleasant than what's going up now.
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I think Goat was referring to the roughly ten empty major buildings that remain downtown (or at least that's the number I've been told by a few people).
As for Moorlander's rendering, is that for real? Looks kind of like some sort of Franken-building. Though it would explain why they haven't punched bigger windows in the western side of the Park Pacific.
As for Moorlander's rendering, is that for real? Looks kind of like some sort of Franken-building. Though it would explain why they haven't punched bigger windows in the western side of the Park Pacific.
^Uh...I like that other glass design, like, a lot better...lol
But what is currently going up is not a horrendous eye sore IMO...The structurs color and scale (even the fake windows) do match its sister to the west...
But how kewl would that post-postmodern thing be...I like hte wave to condo portion...that design feature has been mirrored elsewhere in teh Lou (buildings on the old Checkerboard Arena location) and I actually have the same patterns on a living room chair that over looks the city and a lamp....This is a river town, so I thought to incorporate wave action into the look...
But what is currently going up is not a horrendous eye sore IMO...The structurs color and scale (even the fake windows) do match its sister to the west...
But how kewl would that post-postmodern thing be...I like hte wave to condo portion...that design feature has been mirrored elsewhere in teh Lou (buildings on the old Checkerboard Arena location) and I actually have the same patterns on a living room chair that over looks the city and a lamp....This is a river town, so I thought to incorporate wave action into the look...
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FYI, the "wave" roof on the top of the buildings in the Highlands (old arena site) pay homage to the roller coaster that once the star attraction at the Highlands amusement park.
They couldn't punch new windows in the back of the Park Pacific and still get the historic tax credits. The reason the back of the building looks unfinished is because the original plan called for a second building to be built against it facing Tucker. In true St. Louis fashion, that never happened.
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Which points out some of the stupidity of historic tax credits. There is nothing historic about that facade, because it was never meant to be a facade.landmarks wrote:They couldn't punch new windows in the back of the Park Pacific and still get the historic tax credits. The reason the back of the building looks unfinished is because the original plan called for a second building to be built against it facing Tucker. In true St. Louis fashion, that never happened.
Well it depends. Either you could have the building rehabilitated and put back into use using historic tax credits as a critical component of the financing, or you punch new windows in and let the building sit around vacant. I know which one I prefer.
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I prefer the former, with the stupidity removed.landmarks wrote:Well it depends. Either you could have the building rehabilitated and put back into use using historic tax credits as a critical component of the financing, or you punch new windows in and let the building sit around vacant. I know which one I prefer.
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I agree with both of you. This seems like it would have been a good scenario where an exemption could/should be considered.
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I think the situation could be equated with The Bogen & other lofts which back against Lucas. Don't mess with the front/side "historic" facades, but allow windows and decks on the plain brick back walls.Moorlander wrote:I agree with both of you. This seems like it would have been a good scenario where an exemption could/should be considered.
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I couldn't agree more that historic rehab credits should account for uncompleted projects and allow them to be adapted for current use.
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maybe in sunlight w/ the storefronts, it won't be so bad, but man that looks depressing.
^Why not something of interest painted or sculpted onto both Park Pacific and the garage? Bet decent talent would work for cost of materials and gruel...
But let's be honest...It's hard to go down in aesthetic from an empty gravel parking pit and the backside of an unfinished historic building...
FWIW, it does look like the side facing the park has a little more interest with window cut-outs scaled to the windows in the building and awnings over each level...
But let's be honest...It's hard to go down in aesthetic from an empty gravel parking pit and the backside of an unfinished historic building...
FWIW, it does look like the side facing the park has a little more interest with window cut-outs scaled to the windows in the building and awnings over each level...
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Awful. It seems like a lot of parking to satisfy a building that size. I wonder if that garage is built to handle the new construction on top of it as proposed 4 years ago.
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^I don't want to assume, but I will almost guarantee that it is not.
It looked like the garage was built out of huge pre-fab concrete slabs. I would be about 80-90% sure that it was not built for expansion, which is a big loss, as the proposed structure looked pretty cool and would have been great to see come to fruition.
It looked like the garage was built out of huge pre-fab concrete slabs. I would be about 80-90% sure that it was not built for expansion, which is a big loss, as the proposed structure looked pretty cool and would have been great to see come to fruition.
I do appreciate the cut-out windows on the park side, so that it does not appear to be a big ugly parking garage. Too bad there are not 'windows' at Tucker and Olive, it looks like a big ugly parking garage from that corner.RobbyD wrote:FWIW, it does look like the side facing the park has a little more interest with window cut-outs scaled to the windows in the building and awnings over each level...
There actually are not awnings at each level, as it appears in the photo. Those are actually the staircase landings at each level, that have not yet been enclosed. From the rendering, it looks like the stairs will be enclosed by glass in that corner.
According to the website, the leasing office will open this month. Has anyone been yet?
http://liveparkpacific.com/
http://liveparkpacific.com/
Tucker project may boost downtown
http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/ ... 895d5.html
Thanks for the ugly parking garage on Tucker!
http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/ ... 895d5.html
Among those who already own property on Tucker is Steve Smith, whose Lawrence Group is redoing the old Missouri Pacific railroad headquarters as the Park Pacific apartments, offices and retail space. Behind the building, at Tucker and Olive Street, Lawrence Group is putting up a parking garage to serve Park Pacific and areas nearby.
When the for-sale housing market collapsed during the recession, Lawrence Group substituted the garage for a condo tower the company had planned at the Tucker and Olive site. Smith said he didn't think about the new bridge when planning the Park Pacific project. But he added that he now realized that the street project and bridge meant more development potential for the Tucker corridor.
Thanks for the ugly parking garage on Tucker!
Strange work/construction schedule at Park Pacific. I've seen workmen installing windows, hammering away or doing welding during evening hours the last few weeks. Sometimes as late as 10pm when coming out of a Blues game.
And no, these aren't bums robbing the place of copper. These are guys in hardhats, Carhart jackets etc doing actual work.
And no, these aren't bums robbing the place of copper. These are guys in hardhats, Carhart jackets etc doing actual work.
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^Not to be harsh, but that's what construction loans get you.