That's nice. Would love to see more of this around inner County/City.Laife Fulk wrote: ↑Jun 16, 2022I believe that is the The Flats at Wildhorse Village, which is this one:
Currently in France Visiting family who live in the suburbs of Paris and it's incredible to see that despite suburbs being like 20 miles from the center of Paris they are still building high-density mixed-used neighborhoods. I know it's a little silly to compare Saint Louis and Paris but I think it's great that we are finally building high-density areas throughout our metro, though we still have a lot of catching up to do.
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https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/local ... -autopilot
Chesterfield planning subsidies for "downtown Chesterfield."
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Let's say Chesterfield actually builds all $2.5 billion that is proposed and it's a smashing success. Let's just say that's how this plays out.
How stinking hard would it be for them to urbanize their city?
How stinking hard would it be for them to urbanize their city?
Extremely hard. The only area where you can even remotely attempt to urbanize Chesterfield is Central Park, Wildhorse Village, and the mall site. Everything else is peak suburban. You'd have an easier time urbanizing St. Charles (especially along the 5th Street corridor) than Chesterfield.RockChalkSTL wrote: ↑Aug 01, 2022Let's say Chesterfield actually builds all $2.5 billion that is proposed and it's a smashing success. Let's just say that's how this plays out.
How stinking hard would it be for them to urbanize their city?
Even if they urbanized this area in a reasonable way, it would be virtually impossible to connect it to the surrounding area. Tbh I doubt this will surpass even Wildwood's "urbanism".
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^You could, I suppose, put light rail or commuter along the Rock Island line that heads to Union. Could even include stops at Creve Coeur Lake, which would be nice. The line does go through an otherwise underserved part of North County and North City. Other noteworthy attractions on the line include Penrose Park and Calvary Cemetery.
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It would probably be pretty silly, but what if they turned the Chesterfield Parkway loop into something kind of like the People Mover in Detroit, except street-running instead of elevated?
How viable do you guys think Olive Blvd would be for a Metrolink corridor -- especially if we're running it out to the Chesterfield People Mover?
I don't really know where you would try to connect an Olive line into the existing system, but potentially it could be at the red line's Delmar Loop or Forest Park-DeBaliviere station.
Another option would be extending blue line northward along I-170 for an airport connection, creating a transfer station with an Olive line at I-170 & Olive. Chesterfield riders could then easily catch a transfer to the airport or into the city.
I don't really know where you would try to connect an Olive line into the existing system, but potentially it could be at the red line's Delmar Loop or Forest Park-DeBaliviere station.
Another option would be extending blue line northward along I-170 for an airport connection, creating a transfer station with an Olive line at I-170 & Olive. Chesterfield riders could then easily catch a transfer to the airport or into the city.
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Sorry, it's kind of fun to think about, and in this instance it was merely a mental exercise by a few posters to see if there is any way that Chesterfield could ever actually be urbanized.
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^thissc4mayor wrote: ↑Aug 02, 2022Can we please stop turning every thread into a MetroLink fantasy?
Also chesterfield doesn't NEED to have metrolink to be urban and it definitely should not be high on the list to get metrolink service. It needs a street grid and dense land use.
I think the mall site could be a nice little pocket of urbanity in a very suburban part of the county if they redevelop it right. They will likely screw it up by focusing too much on destination retail but its possible. The greater loop is harder to imagine in any near term time scale because of entrenched land use especially on the north side of the highway. The SF houses on Nardin seem particularly out of place if 'urban' form is a goal and they are pretty much brand new. SO Chesterfield needs to figure out what they really want there.
I think the people mover is not a bad idea but realistically it would just be two counter rotating buses circling all day. It doesn't make sense though until there is something to circulate FOR. If they get the mall site right there may be good cause to implement the service.
For now they should get a solid master plan together for that area, and then focus on getting the mall site right. After that expand and take it case by case.
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McKelvey Homes has released more info for the new construction homes at Wildhorse, including a more detailed site plan. Four models (each with a ton of different elevation options) with base prices starting from $928,400. Looks like they all include connected garage parking accessible from the alley.
https://www.mckelveyhomes.com/communiti ... se-village
https://www.mckelveyhomes.com/communiti ... se-village
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With Centene dumping 650,000 and counting SF in west county I wonder if office component of this moves forward
What class of office space are they dumping outside of Clayton? Clayton being Class A space.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Oct 27, 2022With Centene dumping 650,000 and counting SF in west county I wonder if office component of this moves forward
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Chesterfield to hold public hearing Tuesday over tax incentives
https://www.stltoday.com/business/local/chesterfield-to-hold-public-hearing-tuesday-over-tax-incentives/article_87d10f8f-2cbe-56c3-84b4-e6aaf73f91df.html#tracking-source=home-the-latestA new city commission will hold a public hearing Tuesday over whether it should approve tax incentives to pay for public infrastructure related to two commercial developments worth around $2.5 billion.
The tax increment financing, or TIF, would use some of the tax revenue generated by the private developments to pay for public projects, such as roads and a parking garage, that also would accommodate visitors of a nearby park and library.
The TIF commission will meet at 7 p.m. at Chesterfield City Hall, at 690 Chesterfield Parkway W.
City Administrator Mike Geisel has said that none of the TIF funds will go to developers' improvements.
$353M in tax breaks advance for ‘Downtown’ Chesterfield projects
https://www.stltoday.com/business/local/353m-in-tax-breaks-advance-for-downtown-chesterfield-projects/article_22173f1e-d3d1-5f16-a717-6d0b84df9909.html#tracking-source=home-top-storyThe commission voted 9-3 to recommend the City Council grant the tax increment financing for two developments poised to create a "downtown" Chesterfield with thousands of apartments and townhomes and numerous shops, restaurants and offices at Chesterfield Parkway West and Wild Horse Creek Road.
The incentives, known as a TIF, is expected to be introduced to the council at its Dec. 5 meeting. The city plans to spend $10,000 to distribute a mailer to residents about the TIF.
The TIF would divert some of the new taxes generated by the projects into a special fund. That fund would be used to pay for things such as parking garages and new roads for the two projects, led by Overland-based developers The Staenberg Group and CRG.
Chesterfield approves $353 million incentives for ‘downtown’ development projects
https://www.stltoday.com/business/local/chesterfield-approves-353-million-incentives-for-downtown-development-projects/article_533c8a9e-a297-5c7d-8070-78eebce75b5c.htmlThe City Council here on Wednesday approved a $353 million incentive package for two multibillion-dollar projects poised to create a “downtown” Chesterfield that aims to attract thousands of new residents and dozens of new businesses.
The unanimous vote in favor of the tax increment financing means some of the new tax dollars generated by the $3 billion projects, which entails the redevelopment of the Chesterfield Mall, will be earmarked to pay for new infrastructure such as roads, sewers and more.
Most roads and sidewalks are open in the Wildhorse Village. Pier Property Group's "Flats at Wildhorse Village" is coming along nicely. The landscaping down to the lake looks nice. The purple sculpture thing is trippy because photos of it make it seem like its computer generated but in real life, it doesn't look like that.
If the project is built as originally rendered (dense mixed-use), then the pedestrian infrastructure here will be top-notch. Interior roads aren't wide, sidewalks are wide, and there's enough walking paths to take a nice stroll or get your exercise in. I just wish the architecture had more variation. The Audere condo building will at least invoke some Art Deco tones, but there needs to be other designs for the larger buildings or else this will feel permanently sterile.
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If the project is built as originally rendered (dense mixed-use), then the pedestrian infrastructure here will be top-notch. Interior roads aren't wide, sidewalks are wide, and there's enough walking paths to take a nice stroll or get your exercise in. I just wish the architecture had more variation. The Audere condo building will at least invoke some Art Deco tones, but there needs to be other designs for the larger buildings or else this will feel permanently sterile.
I drove by today and I'm about 85% sure the Terraces townhomes have started construction.
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Are they still planning on building that 9-10 story building next to the lake?
Not sure, only components in front of Chesterfield right now are the single family homes, the Townes, the Terraces, the Flats, and one of the condo buildings.
https://www.chesterfield.mo.us/active-d ... sting.html
https://www.chesterfield.mo.us/active-d ... sting.html
Dillards Sues Chesterfield to stop "downtown Chesterfield"
Oof...there's some dramaaaaaaaa a-brewin:
"In the lawsuit, Dillard’s alleges Chesterfield violated laws concerning TIFs because the redevelopment area and Dillard’s vacant store were not properly determined to be “blighted” and that Dillard’s was not properly notified of the public hearings discussing the TIF.
Dillard’s also claims that the developers had started work on the redevelopment prior to the approval of the TIF — failing a key part of TIF law that says development would not occur without a TIF, court documents show."
"Dillard’s owns property at the mall, and said it always planned to reopen its store after it closed in 2016 due to flooding. The redevelopment and eminent domain, the company alleges, poses a “substantial threat of irreparable harm” to Dillard’s. The retailer is asking St. Louis County Circuit Court to overturn the TIF, exclude Dillard’s property from any redevelopment and declare that eminent domain cannot be used against the retailer in any future redevelopment."
Oof...there's some dramaaaaaaaa a-brewin:
"In the lawsuit, Dillard’s alleges Chesterfield violated laws concerning TIFs because the redevelopment area and Dillard’s vacant store were not properly determined to be “blighted” and that Dillard’s was not properly notified of the public hearings discussing the TIF.
Dillard’s also claims that the developers had started work on the redevelopment prior to the approval of the TIF — failing a key part of TIF law that says development would not occur without a TIF, court documents show."
"Dillard’s owns property at the mall, and said it always planned to reopen its store after it closed in 2016 due to flooding. The redevelopment and eminent domain, the company alleges, poses a “substantial threat of irreparable harm” to Dillard’s. The retailer is asking St. Louis County Circuit Court to overturn the TIF, exclude Dillard’s property from any redevelopment and declare that eminent domain cannot be used against the retailer in any future redevelopment."
Eminent Domain for the benefit of private developers is just wrong. One of the all-time worst Supreme Court rulings. I wish Dillards the best of luck on this suit.
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How much of Chesterfield is 'blighted'? The entire thing is disgusting.