urbanSTL

BellaVilla wrote: ↑

Sep 13, 2021

JJ, despite the name of this forum, there is no shortage of posters who don’t really care about urbanism. Disappointingly, there is also no shortage of posters who don’t really care about the health and success of the City.

Laife Fulk wrote:

JJ Rivera wrote: ↑

Sep 13, 2021

Laife Fulk wrote:This isn't a new mall. Make fun of it all you want, but I anticipate a business or two from the city to relocate out to here.

Not making fun of it but its proven suburbia developments fail long term. Not in our life time but our grandkids will suffer the consequences. Sprawling doesn’t generate enough revenue for future years and its been proven! Urbanism is the only way to grow as a region. I don’t make this stuff up its been proven over and over! When it comes to time in 50 years to fix the roads, sewer systems, electrical grids suburbia municipalities will need to increase taxes to an extend that it  will not support itself. While other regions to include KC is investing in Public Transit and concentrating their capital in their central corridor here in STL every single suburb wants to be center of attraction. I wish all this would work but its proven it will not.


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I'm not debating you at all on that.  Never insinuated that I was.  And while, in an ideal world, all of this development would occur in an urbanist way in downtown (like most of us on this site would prefer), the reality is that supply/demand in the St. Louis region is going to lead to more developments like this out in Chesterfield, along the 270 corridor, etc. 

Laife Fulk wrote: ↑

Sep 13, 2021

BellaVilla wrote: ↑

Sep 13, 2021

JJ, despite the name of this forum, there is no shortage of posters who don’t really care about urbanism. Disappointingly, there is also no shortage of posters who don’t really care about the health and success of the City.

To be totally fair, and this is getting off topic here, even though the title of the forum has "urban" in it, this place has always been about urbanism AND development updates/rumors. Let's not act like it's sole intended existence is to preach only urbanism.

Also, I feel like you're taking a swipe at me for simply stating facts and insights I have on these developments.  Not sure why you feel the need to do so.

A $500 million, 80-acre mixed-use development that kicks off construction this month in Chesterfield will be built on such a large scale that, combined with another similarly sized proposed development nearby, the developer predicts it will “shift the center of gravity of this entire region” to downtown Chesterfield.
Wildhorse Village will be a new walkable urban community centered around a 15-acre lake at the intersection of Wild Horse Creek Road and Chesterfield Parkway. St. Louis-based CRG, the development arm of Chicago-based Clayco, described the development as a new “dynamic urban center” with housing ranging from apartments to single-family houses and nearly 1 million square feet of office, retail and restaurant space, all with lakefront access. The waterfront, open to the public, will be lined with trails, a plaza, a boardwalk, an amphitheater, a boathouse and public art. 
CRG is in talks with a grocer and will also break ground on construction of a 150,000-square-foot speculative office building within the next few months, said developer Jeff Tegethoff, who is spearheading the project for CRG.
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Housing options at Wildhorse Village will include 500 apartments across two luxury apartment complexes, along with 104 condominiums, 72 townhouses and 35 single-family residences. 


[...]poised to start building this year.

[...]along with a 400-space parking garage. Construction should finish in summer 2023.




Wildhorse Village is separate from the previously announced $80 million Wildhorse mixed-use redevelopment built by Tegethoff’s firm Tegethoff Development, formerly known as Pearl Cos. That initial project was announced in 2019 and completed in 2021 with the opening of a 188-unit luxury apartment complex. An AC Hotel will soon open at the site. The development’s fully leased retail includes a Ruth's Chris Steakhouse with a rooftop bar, Christina White Salon and a Fidelity branch. 

Both projects, which are separated by Wild Horse Creek Road, have been led by Tegethoff, who originally purchased the land for both with a vision of creating a walkable urban community like those he saw being built in suburbs across the country. 

goat314 wrote: ↑

Jan 06, 2022

Surprisingly Chesterfield and St. Charles have more progressive redevelopment plans than the inner ring suburbs and damn near the city of St. Louis. Although the city is doing much better in recent years.

chriss752 wrote: ↑

Jan 10, 2022

I wonder if the BizJournal has the most up to date information on the office square footage. Last I heard, and have a rendering for, the amount of office space was reduced by about 400,000sf and one of the apartment buildings was changed to 80 condo units overlooking the lake. The condo tower picked up a second building too.

I'm not going to say that the comment about the center of the region shifting is right or wrong, but it seems flawed. Even once Wildhorse Village, Chesterfield Mall Redevelopment, and Riverpointe in St. Charles are all completed, the concentration of residents and office workers will still likely remain the highest from 170 to the River. The three projects I mention, in my view, form new centers for the Western Suburbs as growth out that way doesn't seem to be slowing down. The people who live out there made the choice to live out there and while many of us see that as a flawed, costly move on their part, developers see it as an opportunity to bring "urban" style developments to those people as a means of protecting everyone's investment. And like I said earlier in this thread, just maybe worded differently, it's not like the people out in these suburbs would ever venture past 170 for anything other than a Cardinals, Blues, or City SC (future) game. 

There's still a tremendous opportunity to strengthen the core, and most urban part, of the Region while allowing things like this to take place further West. The urban areas can still see more residential infill which could then support additional restaurants, shops, and so on. From there, the discussion surrounding more hotel rooms and office space can be had. 
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sc4mayor wrote: ↑

Apr 21, 2022

I was poking around Chesterfield's city planning website and came across some renderings I hadn't seen before.  Not sure if they had been posted here...but some of the residential actually doesn't look too bad, compared to your typical suburban McMansions.