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PostSep 01, 2023#401

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Outside of chase bank, chipotle, raising Cains is mostly done. Chick-fil-A is up. Not sure what is going on the opposite chipotle. I thought that was going to be the chipotle. Starbucks? First watch? I can’t remember what all else is going in.
*sniff*

My God that's so beautiful.

*sniff*

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PostSep 01, 2023#402

A lot of the opposition to the project was over the removal of long standing local businesses, Bob's Seafood and Nobu's being the most prominent. I've had the opportunity to look at visitor numbers to stores in the area over a period of time.  The Costco alone is generating over 2.1 million visits a year, of which 450,000 come from residents of the three surrounding ZIP codes (63114 Overland, 63130 University City, 63132 Olivette).  If you go back to a 12-month period in 2017-18, prior to redevelopment, the businesses along Olive through the redevelopment area attracted 314,000 visits with 61,000 coming from the residents within those surrounding ZIP codes. Interestingly, area residents make up about 20% of visitors in both scenarios, suggesting neither the pre-development businesses nor Costco were/are "neighborhood focused".

So, if Costco generates over 7 times more visits from surrounding neighborhood residents, does it serve these residents "better" than the businesses that were removed? 

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PostSep 05, 2023#403

^well i think the argument on this forum would be its still net zero regionally.  The visitors would be otherwise getting their needs met elsewhere.  Brentwood Promenade probably saw a downtick, same for retail in Overland...  and a lot of retail in North county along 170.  Is that ok,  maybe.  The broken bit is the tax dollars just shift around, so if its a net gain for UCity then fine but somewhere its a net loss and much of the new tax money (that was lifted from other places) is given to the developer to pad their bottom-line.

As far as the neighborhood it went from a fairly rundown poorly utilized properties to a single use retail surrounded by parking and fast-food.  Its not exactly paving paradise but its not great.  It does very little for the surrounding residents overall quality of life.  It saves them a 5 minutes each way drive in a car once a week, and for that they get to deal with traffic and ugly car centric infrastructure for decades.

Regarding what it replaced i would say those places can relocate and they were never the most walkable businesses anyway.  A few were regionally unique like Bob's which you hate to loose but ces la vis.  I don't think most here mind the redevelopment, but dislike the character of the redevelopment.

Its hard.  If this development hadn't happened then how long would redevelopment havetaken.  The lots were really awkward and the return for a developer would have been challenging to ge to without the big retail component.  Personally i wish they would have went ahead with the Costco but held the southern section to a higher standard of redevelopment with mixed use walkability and livability as the priorities.  And no drivethrus.

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PostSep 05, 2023#404

I'm disappointed in the form of the new development, but what really pissed me off is the use of eminent domain to force private property owners to sell for the benefit of private businesses.

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PostSep 05, 2023#405

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^well i think the argument on this forum would be its still net zero regionally.  The visitors would be otherwise getting their needs met elsewhere.  Brentwood Promenade probably saw a downtick, same for retail in Overland...  and a lot of retail in North county along 170.  Is that ok,  maybe.  The broken bit is the tax dollars just shift around, so if its a net gain for UCity then fine but somewhere its a net loss and much of the new tax money (that was lifted from other places) is given to the developer to pad their bottom-line.
For me, it's mostly this - tax subsidy for retail that will only serve the region's regional needs. Just usual shifting of retail chasing tax $.

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PostSep 11, 2023#406

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I'm disappointed in the form of the new development, but what really pissed me off is the use of eminent domain to force private property owners to sell for the benefit of private businesses.
This.  There is no way to blight an area of profitable businesses.

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PostNov 09, 2023#407

The Costco Business Center a few exits north is now open in St John. I feel like this flew under the radar.


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PostNov 09, 2023#408

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The Costco Business Center a few exits north is now open in St John. I feel like this flew under the radar.

I went opening day. Anyone want a full goat or lamb?
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PostNov 10, 2023#409

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PostDec 16, 2023#410

Not surprisingly, the developer has backed-out of it's commitments to purchase homes on the northern end of the project. They destroyed the neighborhood and put many home-owners in an untenable position. This is why you don't use eminent domain for private developers: 

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/met ... 8abcf.html

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PostDec 16, 2023#411

^ Southern end (Mayflower Court), but same difference. Despicable.

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PostDec 17, 2023#412

Novus. :( Grr. I hate these projects at the best of times. This is not the best of times.

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PostDec 18, 2023#413

framer wrote:
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Not surprisingly, the developer has backed-out of it's commitments to purchase homes on the northern end of the project. They destroyed the neighborhood and put many home-owners in an untenable position. This is why you don't use eminent domain for private developers: 

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/met ... 8abcf.html
Given that Mayflower court was not connected to the larger site made me wonder why this was an issue.  The short answer is the development company bought several properties on Mayflower Ct. with the intent to buy the rest but has failed to properly maintain them.  To someone who lives in the city of st. louis this tragedy probably seems quaint.

There is a solution that makes this right, or at least as right as can be expected.  Seems to me that if they are backing out of building the apartments the solution would be to sell the properties to rehabbers, even if the take a small haircut on the acquisition cost.  UCity should definitely press them on this and the neighbor hood should flood city hall with nuisance property complaints until they do.

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PostApr 11, 2024#414

Jersey mikes going into the strip mall side.

They are putting something next to the Chick-fil-A but I don’t know what it is.

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PostApr 11, 2024#415

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Jersey mikes going into the strip mall side.

They are putting something next to the Chick-fil-A but I don’t know what it is.
I thought it was a Raising Canes. Maybe I’m thinking of something else, but I remember a site plan showing Chick Fil A and Raising Canes next to each other.

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PostApr 11, 2024#416

Raising Cane's and Chick Fil A are across the street from one another. Both open and operational today.

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PostApr 11, 2024#417

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Raising Cane's and Chick Fil A are across the street from one another. Both open and operational today.
Ok. Good. So I wasn’t dreaming.

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PostApr 12, 2024#418

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jbacott wrote:
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Raising Cane's and Chick Fil A are across the street from one another. Both open and operational today.
Ok. Good. So I wasn’t dreaming.
Nope, I think it was the first thing to open.

There is a lot across the street from it that was a gas station. They removed it. I thought it was going to be something, since they went to all the work of ripping it out but now it looks like they just planted grass over the empty lot.

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PostApr 12, 2024#419

jshank83 wrote:
Apr 12, 2024
Chris Stritzel wrote:
Apr 11, 2024
jbacott wrote:
Apr 11, 2024
Raising Cane's and Chick Fil A are across the street from one another. Both open and operational today.
Ok. Good. So I wasn’t dreaming.
Nope, I think it was the first thing to open.

There is a lot across the street from it that was a gas station. They removed it. I thought it was going to be something, since they went to all the work of ripping it out but now it looks like they just planted grass over the empty lot.
Speaking of the former gas station at 8550 Olive, I've been curious about the ownership there. Apparently it has been owned by "BK Olive LLC" since 2021, with a mailing address matching NBA player and STL native Bradley Beal's (recent) residence in MD, while he played for the Washington Wizards. I didn't expect that outcome.

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PostApr 13, 2024#420

Tim wrote:
Apr 12, 2024
jshank83 wrote:
Apr 12, 2024
Chris Stritzel wrote:
Apr 11, 2024
Ok. Good. So I wasn’t dreaming.
Nope, I think it was the first thing to open.

There is a lot across the street from it that was a gas station. They removed it. I thought it was going to be something, since they went to all the work of ripping it out but now it looks like they just planted grass over the empty lot.
Speaking of the former gas station at 8550 Olive, I've been curious about the ownership there. Apparently it has been owned by "BK Olive LLC" since 2021, with a mailing address matching NBA player and STL native Bradley Beal's (recent) residence in MD, while he played for the Washington Wizards. I didn't expect that outcome.
I actually did know that. I think it was posted on here a year or so ago. But I agree. Very random but also why I thought it might turn into something.

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PostApr 27, 2024#421

Does anyone get irritated by the Costco parking lot and gas station bifurcation layout? Unlike Manchester Costco, U-city costco`s layout seems little awkward in the sense that the incoming traffic doesnt let outgoing traffic (from the warehouse to gas station.) proceed to gas station. Pet peeve for the day...

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PostApr 27, 2024#422

Car only places are miserable. What's new?

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PostMay 10, 2024#423

"A developer abandoned a U City neighborhood. Its homes became a police training ground"

https://www.stlpr.org/show/st-louis-on- ... lkLAd-FKLF

Keep in mind, some of these houses are still occupied. 

 

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PostAug 05, 2024#424

Maybe the Brentwood Promenade parking lot will be less of a complete mess.

StlToday -
Target plans another location in St. Louis County

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/met ... 6c819.html

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PostAug 05, 2024#425

^ nice!

i can go for breakfast at panera, get haircut, shop at costco, lunch at chipotle, and shopping at target, get dinner at ???

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