New Life in the Grove....

eee123 · PostOct 17, 2022#12262022-10-17T17:35+00:00

Another vote for Midtown. I so wish it would return to its former glory. We've gone from 4 midtown breweries to 1.5 (with one in the works in the JC Midtown thread).

I took a trip to Germany a few years ago, and the breweries in Munich felt just like Urban Chestnut to me, down to the type of gravel.

One of the more recent visits to midtown UCBC, it was like 20 minutes before closing, but only 6:40 or something and they wouldn't serve us. Vigilantly enforcing bar time as if it's some legal issue when it's still daytime is pretty bad.

The Grove location is just kind of bland.

quincunx · PostOct 22, 2022#12272022-10-22T17:11+00:00

moorlander wrote: ↑
Oct 14, 2022
Oh for crying out loud. People b*tch about everything!

Did someone let them know?! The horror!

PostOct 24, 2022#12282022-10-24T23:05+00:00

Is it widely felt that the FPSE form based code was railroaded through by Ald Roddy and shouldn't matter going forward?

The developer of 4500 Manchester felt his proposal had neighborhood support by default since, in his opinion at least (they haven't submitted a building permit application so zoning hasn't evaluated it officially, though the developer says they conferred with them with the gal of achieving compliance), it met the FBC.

dredger · PostOct 25, 2022#12292022-10-25T00:24+00:00

^ Interesting note.. I would agree that FBC should give the developer some degree of confidence for acceptance if working within those parameters. Isn't the reason for FBC in the first place, establishing the playing field for given neighborhood in a consistent matter for all players and facilitate less conflict, more timely development.

To me the difference in this case if I got things right is the developer's intention to use a lot along Swan Ave to meet parking requirements. In this regard and those who understand FBC a lot better, would asking for a variance in parking requirements and this case a reductions in a number of parking spots used along Swan Ave be allowed under FBC?

quincunx · PostOct 25, 2022#12302022-10-25T00:27+00:00

There is no parking min in the FPSE for based district. If indeed the proposal meets the FBC as the developer believes the only hang up is the demolitions.

STLrainbow · PostOct 26, 2022#12312022-10-26T20:09+00:00

I had no idea St. Louis Art Supply had moved from Olive to Papin. (I guess they like to check out the various city neigborhoods... it's at least their third place now after (originally?) being on Cherokee.)

symphonicpoet · PostOct 27, 2022#12322022-10-27T08:38+00:00

^Is that what used to be South City Art Supply on Cherokee? I know they moved to the Central West End, I think it was, but I quite forget where.

STLrainbow · PostOct 27, 2022#12332022-10-27T12:12+00:00

^ yes, I believe they changed the name when they moved from Cherokee to that pretty neat old building on Olive in the CWE that had the residential add-on. I see their address is now 4011 Papin, which is the old complex just north of new apartments.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/4011+ ... 90.2481176

Hopefully the vacated CWE space can be leased before too long with something nice... there also appears to have been some other rehab acticity on that stretch of Olive since last time I was over that way.

GoHarvOrGoHome · PostOct 27, 2022#12342022-10-27T14:28+00:00

I liked their location on Olive, not that I patronized anything but the cafe inside. Artistry is definitely one of my most underdeveloped skills.

symphonicpoet · PostOct 28, 2022#12352022-10-28T04:01+00:00

^I liked them and patronized them on Cherokee. Never got to the Olive location, but I understood the logic and hoped the best. I hope the new location works out well for them, and I get to the Grove at least occasionally, so maybe I'll stop in again.

Suds · PostOct 28, 2022#12362022-10-28T11:14+00:00

New salad restaurant called Neon Greens is slated to open in the old Rise Coffee space and a Mexican restaurant and bar called La Calle will be taking over where Ember was.

Also, La Finca Coffee Roasters, a Colombian coffeeshop from Eureka, will be opening at 4432 Manchester in the new apartment building across from UCBC in early December.

STLrainbow · PostNov 17, 2022#12372022-11-17T00:11+00:00

The Vandeventerization of The Grove continues with a brick and mortar from STL Barkeep appropriately named The Vandy. At the corner of Talmage.
https://www.saucemagazine.com/a/60004/s ... the-vandy-

dbInSouthCity · PostNov 25, 2022#12382022-11-25T19:06+00:00

Narwals project appears to be dead as the lot is back on the market

RockChalkSTL · PostNov 25, 2022#12392022-11-25T19:48+00:00

Disappointing, but not shocking.

There hasn't been any movement on that lot for a while, so I figured the project might fall through.

Personally, I think the building looked really neat, but a prominent portion of that second floor view would be a QT at a messy intersection.

chriss752 · PostDec 04, 2022#12402022-12-04T23:19+00:00

quincunx wrote: ↑
Jun 29, 2022
Seven apts in the new building, 4 studios in 4216 which gets a 3rd floor addition.
I think the color of the new building's brick is tan, but not sure from the suboptimal image.

NextSTL - New Build, Rehab Planned for 4210 and 4216 Manchester in The Grove

https://nextstl.com/2022/06/new-build-r ... the-grove/

Retail space for the old building now listed.
https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/4216-Ma ... /27230680/

quincunx · PostJan 14, 2023#12412023-01-14T16:08+00:00

$350k building permit application submitted for new home at 4570 Gibson

chriss752 · PostJan 18, 2023#12422023-01-18T15:47+00:00

Board of Adjustment agenda claims a new office building at 4307 West Papin. https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/government/d ... -25-23.pdf

Also, Rock Spring School redevelopment is finally moving forward.

doellingd · PostJan 18, 2023#12432023-01-18T18:03+00:00

chriss752 wrote: ↑
Jan 18, 2023
Board of Adjustment agenda claims a new office building at 4307 West Papin. https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/government/d ... -25-23.pdf

Would that building even be there if this Future64 alternative is chosen?

debaliviere · PostJan 26, 2023#12442023-01-26T19:10+00:00

Healthcare startup Tcare moving to 27,000 sf building at 1252 S. Vandeventer, plans to grow its workforce from 35 to 100:

https://www.stltoday.com/business/local ... the-latest

doellingd · PostJan 26, 2023#12452023-01-26T21:12+00:00

I'd prefer residential next to the future Tower Grove - Cortex Connector bikeway but the office is nice

pattimagee · PostJan 26, 2023#12462023-01-26T21:14+00:00

^Let's just hope the Liberty Bell property fills that residential gap at some point soon

quincunx · PostFeb 18, 2023#12472023-02-18T13:58+00:00

$450k building permit application submitted for restaurant and apt rehab at 4176-78 Manchester, former Rise Coffee space. It'll be Neon Greens a salad restaurant, correct?

doellingd · PostFeb 18, 2023#12482023-02-18T14:04+00:00

And the 1,200 square foot indoor agricultural facility next door, yeah.

PostFeb 18, 2023#12492023-02-18T14:05+00:00

Press will open a second location in The Grove at The Improve Shop - https://www.feastmagazine.com/restauran ... 671ce.html

goat314 · PostFeb 18, 2023#12502023-02-18T14:25+00:00

doellingd wrote: ↑
Jan 26, 2023
I'd prefer residential next to the future Tower Grove - Cortex Connector bikeway but the office is nice

I'm sure there will be plenty of residential proposals along these new greenways in the near future.

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