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PostApr 02, 2016#601

arch city wrote:Sorry, but McKee is partly to blame for the decay in the NGA West area. Instead of fixing up the houses and buildings, he let them rot to death. He left them susceptible to vagrancy, fires, brick rustlers, drug dens, collapse and trash. Sorry, but he doesn't get a pass from me although he did do some development.

At the end of the day, McKee was only interested in lining his pockets - not the overall welfare of the city or lower north St. Louis.

I'm not drinking the potion.

He could have easily fixed up properties, built in-fills - a little at a time even. He nor any other developer did this in Lafayette Square or Soulard. Keep in mind those neighborhoods were once in shambles too. Rampant crime and other problems existed in those neighborhoods too before they were stabilized - same with parts of the CWE. Let's not pretend all of these areas were always "peaches and cream". Change started for those neighborhoods one development and in-fill at a time.

Imagine if he had followed the lead of the planners, backers and supporters of the Old Northside Restoration Group. Paul McKee seems to have had "bigger" plans than that. At one time, I recall him envisioning turning the area into suburbia in the city.
He's a businessman...he's supposed to try to line his pockets.

I don't see Northside that way, though. It's a very high risk endeavor, even with all the tax credits. McKee has borrowed a ton of money to try to make this happen. He could bankrupt himself. You don't take that kind of risk unless you love the city and really want to turn it around.

This is totally different from Cordish/BPV. That's about as low-risk a spot for development as there is in this city. To get a tax credit for a parking lot on some of the city's most prime real estate is an outrage. McKee, on the other hand, is the only one who is trying to do something about a place that's been forgotten for 60 years. People should honestly be very grateful that someone's willing to take that risk.

I love what Old North is doing, but it's still on a very, very small scale compared to the amount of broken down square mileage we have. I doubt they would be much bigger if McKee were out of the picture. As it turns out, his project is likely to help them immensely.

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PostApr 02, 2016#602

So what happens with the St. Louis Arsenal site in Kosciusko now?

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PostApr 02, 2016#603

My hope would be that the office space is sold to Sigma Aldrich for expansion, and historic arsenal properties are acquired by the state and maintained as a State Historic Site.

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PostApr 09, 2016#604

So what're the chances he changes his mind? Illinois got the comment period extension they wanted.


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PostApr 09, 2016#605

Less than 5% chance. EIS was clearly in the favor of north city and the words he used in his statement too. Would be pretty hard to walk all that back now, especially the EIS

PostApr 18, 2016#606

Not that many people read Belleville news democrat but if you do you'll see they are so sure this will get a second look and that SAB will be the winner

Also I've managed to be blocked on Twitter by the said news paper, by the NGA to Scott official Twitter, by st.clair county commish kern

(For those counting at home I've also been blocked by Lt governor Kinder and jamilah Nasheed

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PostApr 18, 2016#607

dbInSouthCity wrote:Not that many people read Belleville news democrat but if you do you'll see they are so sure this will get a second look and that SAB will be the winner
I wouldn't be surprised.

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PostApr 18, 2016#608

The BND brought up the Fed chemical warfare experiments performed on the city in the 50s and 60s. The contamination of the PI site that the NGA won't be on somehow is a reason not to put the NGA there. I say all the more reason why the Feds should clean up their mess. Regardless the contamination, whatever remains, would be widespread anyways, so it doesn't add up for me. There's a school on the PI site so shouldn't the BND be screaming about that?

http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2012/09/24/ ... l-testing/

I too am blocked by the @NGA2SAFB twitter.

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PostApr 18, 2016#609

It would be questionable/suspicious for them to reverse the "favored" site in Missouri only to put it over at SAFB. They've already explained why, which are valid reasons, they chose North St. Louis.

One of the biggest factors - as I suggested a few pages back and before the decision was made - was that pollution would elevate because 2100 workers would be commuting to Illinois (an average of 30 additional miles) from Missouri. The Illinois delegation should be ashamed of itself for dragging this out. They don't seem to give a damn about the pollution element. If East St. Louis had been considered, that's one thing, but THIRTY EXTRA MILES for 2100 workers?!? No. Let's not even mention the bedrock advantage.

For the record, the Belleville News-Democrat newspaper also believed SAFB had the advantage all along. It seems to me this is a case of the newspaper stirring the pot, trying to get more circulation, Internet hits and more "brownie points" with politicians and citizens over there.

If I were with the City of St. Louis for this process, I would be watching every property owner whose unwilling to sell very, very closely. They could be getting paid handsomely under the table by nefarious characters who want to disrupt and prolong eminent domain procedures in St. Louis City, which would then benefit Illinois and SAFB.

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PostApr 18, 2016#610

Don't forget all the additional injuries and deaths due to the increased VMT.

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PostApr 18, 2016#611

Selling papers. That is all. Time to move on for the Metro East.

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PostMay 10, 2016#612

arch city wrote: ... If East St. Louis had been considered, that's one thing ...
Now there's a thought. Imagine NGA lunch meetings at this fine establishment... :wink:


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PostMay 13, 2016#613

Does anyone think that the decision Cardillo made will get reverted and over turned to the SAB site???
Illinois is wanting a full investigation which i think is ludicrous.

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PostMay 13, 2016#614

Idk about that, sure they want an investigation they're used to corrupt politics. But I don't think there was anything suspicious about the choice to stay in the city


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PostMay 13, 2016#615

At this point, I think Illinois and the St. Clair County Econ Development Corp need to be careful not to completely alienate the Department of Defense, NGA, and the Federal Government. If they keep pushing back and trying to stall the project, I think the NGA would just pick a different location area all together rather than go to IL.

You can only push back so much before burning all the bridges. This, to me at least, feels like they're trying a scorched earth approach which may not benefit them either.

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PostMay 13, 2016#616

just silly- MO reps can do the same thing if NGA backs out and goes to Illinois so why even try something this stupid

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PostMay 13, 2016#617

Holy sore losers, Batman!

KMOX - Ill. Lawmakers Threaten to Block Funding for NGA Project

http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2016/05/12/ ... a-project/

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PostMay 13, 2016#618

Sen. Kirk is in a tight re-election battle. It's all just grandstanding.

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PostMay 13, 2016#619

Is there a danger in IL politicians doing this in annoying the officials behind this for when the next round of base closings occur?

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PostMay 13, 2016#620

The Illinois delegation/representatives are pathetic.

Missouri's delegation/representatives had better strap up their combat boots because the Illinois delegation is showing their asses and pettiness. Missouri had better get in the mud and wallow around with these guys because they are literally being cutthroat "d*cks" (as in Durbin).

While the ACE should have gotten some details of their analysis correct (ie. St. Clair County, Illinois vs. St. Clair County, Michigan vs. St. Clair County, Missouri and the whole Osage River debacle) what these a**holes are missing is the fact that 2100 workers live in Missouri. To hell with pollution and longer commutes times and the drain longer commutes could have on productivity.

To me.......that is enough.

Ultimately, this will not bold well for regional relations - at all. At a time the region is trying to build more cooperation (ie. The Regional Freightway) this back-and-forth over the NGA could implode the region, which is already struggling to compete economically with the nation's other regions.

I'm all for regional cooperation, but the Missouri delegation better threaten to block legislation or projects that are important to the Metro East and Illinois. Missouri needs to buck up. The ***** up economy in Illinois is not St. Louis' or Missouri's fault. And while both sides of the Mississippi need one another, the Metro East needs Missouri more than Missouri needs the Metro East.

Further, Missouri senators have consistently supported keeping SAFB open over the years; so while I understand Illinois' skittishness about SAFB closings, SAFB isn't going anywhere. There's been too many investments and population growth there in recent years.

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PostMay 13, 2016#621

Welcome to Illinois politics. :lol:

This is embarrassing. Then again, we really have no dignity left as a state, so...

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PostMay 17, 2016#622

NGA to open innovation center in Silicon Valley

http://spacenews.com/following-dod-nga- ... on-valley/


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PostMay 18, 2016#623

Just flew out of San Jose, California to Portland, OR PDX and noticed STL was on the board twice - on an AA flight (thru DFW) and a Southwest flight (thru Phoenix). Interesting that the boards were listing STL as a destination from SJC - since other flights that were continuation city flights (and not nonstop) were not listed.

Then got through security and saw a huge billboard for STL that read "Gateway to St. Louis through Silicon Valley" - by the CVB here in STL. NOW, I read that the NGA is moving through that area too - connecting STL to Silicon Valley. So... that being said, watch for SJC on airlines short list to add STL - SJC non stops. Looks as maybe AA and Southwest will jump?!

http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2016/05/17/ ... on-valley/

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PostJun 02, 2016#624

final decision today, maybe tomorrow.

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PostJun 02, 2016#625

Looks like its staying in St. Louis.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt ... fe87d.html

I know we just got out of the 'commenst' phase but is this like government contract awards? Is there an additional 'protest' phase where Illinois can contest the decision? Or is this actually final?

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