As far as the state of Illinois is concerned, nothing exists south of Springfield.arch city wrote:The Metro East, in my honest opinion, is a drag on the metropolitan area's overall economy and growth.
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Just read the EIS for the sites and I would be shocked if north city isn't selected. Beats out Illioins by miles in a lot of sections.
I read it also but nothing really stood out to me as an indicator of their preference. It seemed pretty even. Can you explain to me why everyone feels it hints the n. st. louis site?dbInSouthCity wrote:Just read the EIS for the sites and I would be shocked if north city isn't selected. Beats out Illioins by miles in a lot of sections.
Also, this kind of feels like that few hours after the NFL committee recommended the Carson sight instead of Kronkes. We thought we had it, then we didn't.
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Promise Zone, fiscal impacts, positives to safety, health ect of the city site. Very few negatives. But the promise zone plays a bigger part than people think.
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Is this the same report you mention above? http://nextngawest.com/site/DEIS/EXEC_S ... s_Area.pdf
Anybody hearing anything?
Supposedly employees and leaders have been told.
Supposedly employees and leaders have been told.
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addxb2 wrote:Anybody hearing anything?
Suppository employees and leaders have been told.
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Kern and Slay are getting/already got call from the NGA director. Beans will probably be spilled tonight
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Not sure if this is a good source, but?
@betseybruce
#NGA director recommends St Louis site for new federal spy agency facility
@betseybruce
#NGA director recommends St Louis site for new federal spy agency facility
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The P-D just confirmed it!pattimagee wrote:Not sure if this is a good source, but?
@betseybruce
#NGA director recommends St Louis site for new federal spy agency facility
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt ... b0537.html
Cannot overstate how big a win for the City this is. We've really, really needed some good news these days.
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Now can we work on not making the site horrible and maybe providing an exemption for the brown shoe building?
I wonder what this means for the near northside? This along with the choice neighborhood grant, McKee's plans, and the potential N-S Metrolink being revived.
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Happy they are staying in the City. Pissed that the process includes eminent domain-ing people out of their homes.
^Yeah, I'm usually strongly opposed to eminent domain, but I think this is one of the few times where it's appropriate.
Surprised and disappointed by the decision, but I'm optimistic that this can turn into a net gain for the region. The Post-Dispatch editorial board talked about specific plans as to how this is going to help the Northside. The N-S line would be a definite and huge gain. I'm curious as to what the other benefits will be, other than a few less empty lots.
And, what's the status on the agency growing to 5,000+ employees? Is that a definite plan or just a possibility? If that's the case, then it will obviously be a net gain for the city as opposed to just musical chairs.
And, what's the status on the agency growing to 5,000+ employees? Is that a definite plan or just a possibility? If that's the case, then it will obviously be a net gain for the city as opposed to just musical chairs.
I'm getting close to being done with this city.
How many times do you people need to be taught the hard lessons about projects like this? From the Arch Grounds, to the highways, to Mill Creek Valley, to Stadium version 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and on and on and on...... They are anti urban, they are anti density. They are destructive to the social fabric of the city. They are destructive to the tax base of the city.
This is completely ignoring how these people's lives will be uprooted and changed for the worse, thanks for this. But hey, after all, they're just poor blacks, who gives a *****? We'll pay em (below what is fair, below market value, below what they would need to truly make it an even, lateral trade, but ***** it, we know whats better for them then they do!), so shutup about any moral implications here. If they're pissed about it, tell them they got their opportunity to move to a housing project or Section 8 somewhere. It's a step up from the home they've owned for generations, right?!?!
And so it goes. Just like Mill Creek Valley, on and on and on, until St. Louis is a hollowed out shell of the great city it used to be.
I can't help but notice karma in this. You keep pushing this sh*tty, badly thought out, morally repugnant anti-urban crap. And karma gets you. 50 years on, St. Louis would kill to have the housing stock in Mill Creek Valley back. Instead we've got the KEZK headquarters, the Wells Fargo Borg Cube, and the hollowed out shell of a sh*tty date-rape bar named Harry's.
Karma's a b****, ain't it?
Frankly, it's not surprising when the "Urbanists" in a city, like most on this board, aren't really urbanists. This monstrosity, and the atrocious debacle with the Rams stadium, has shown me how much people on this board care about Urban issues and density. And it isn't a whole lot.
So enjoy your city as it makes bad decision after bad decision and circles the drain, while you stand by and wonder why your magnificent plans fail again and again. I, and a whole lot of other young people, have already checked out.
How many times do you people need to be taught the hard lessons about projects like this? From the Arch Grounds, to the highways, to Mill Creek Valley, to Stadium version 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and on and on and on...... They are anti urban, they are anti density. They are destructive to the social fabric of the city. They are destructive to the tax base of the city.
This is completely ignoring how these people's lives will be uprooted and changed for the worse, thanks for this. But hey, after all, they're just poor blacks, who gives a *****? We'll pay em (below what is fair, below market value, below what they would need to truly make it an even, lateral trade, but ***** it, we know whats better for them then they do!), so shutup about any moral implications here. If they're pissed about it, tell them they got their opportunity to move to a housing project or Section 8 somewhere. It's a step up from the home they've owned for generations, right?!?!
And so it goes. Just like Mill Creek Valley, on and on and on, until St. Louis is a hollowed out shell of the great city it used to be.
I can't help but notice karma in this. You keep pushing this sh*tty, badly thought out, morally repugnant anti-urban crap. And karma gets you. 50 years on, St. Louis would kill to have the housing stock in Mill Creek Valley back. Instead we've got the KEZK headquarters, the Wells Fargo Borg Cube, and the hollowed out shell of a sh*tty date-rape bar named Harry's.
Karma's a b****, ain't it?
Frankly, it's not surprising when the "Urbanists" in a city, like most on this board, aren't really urbanists. This monstrosity, and the atrocious debacle with the Rams stadium, has shown me how much people on this board care about Urban issues and density. And it isn't a whole lot.
So enjoy your city as it makes bad decision after bad decision and circles the drain, while you stand by and wonder why your magnificent plans fail again and again. I, and a whole lot of other young people, have already checked out.
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This is a big win and some beyond welcomed good news for the city with so many lows.. Hopefully this will change from negative growth to positive growth to an area thats been so far long neglected.
Im so ecstatic for the city.
A big positive
I'm sure Slay feels an anvil has been lifted
Im so ecstatic for the city.
A big positive
I'm sure Slay feels an anvil has been lifted
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I'm not gonna lie, the eminent domain thing is atrocious. I'm not claiming any moral high ground or ethical victory in this news development.Aesir wrote:I'm getting close to being done with this city.
How many times do you people need to be taught the hard lessons about projects like this? From the Arch Grounds, to the highways, to Mill Creek Valley, to Stadium version 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and on and on and on...... They are anti urban, they are anti density. They are destructive to the social fabric of the city. They are destructive to the tax base of the city.
This is completely ignoring how these people's lives will be uprooted and changed for the worse, thanks for this. But hey, after all, they're just poor blacks, who gives a f***? We'll pay em (below what is fair, below market value, below what they would need to truly make it an even, lateral trade, but f*** it, we know whats better for them then they do!), so shutup about any moral implications here. If they're pissed about it, tell them they got their opportunity to move to a housing project or Section 8 somewhere. It's a step up from the home they've owned for generations, right?!?!
And so it goes. Just like Mill Creek Valley, on and on and on, until St. Louis is a hollowed out shell of the great city it used to be.
I can't help but notice karma in this. You keep pushing this sh*tty, badly thought out, morally repugnant anti-urban crap. And karma gets you. 50 years on, St. Louis would kill to have the housing stock in Mill Creek Valley back. Instead we've got the KEZK headquarters, the Wells Fargo Borg Cube, and the hollowed out shell of a sh*tty date-rape bar named Harry's.
Karma's a b****, ain't it?
Frankly, it's not surprising when the "Urbanists" in a city, like most on this board, aren't really urbanists. This monstrosity, and the atrocious debacle with the Rams stadium, has shown me how much people on this board care about Urban issues and density. And it isn't a whole lot.
So enjoy your city as it makes bad decision after bad decision and circles the drain, while you stand by and wonder why your magnificent plans fail again and again. I, and a whole lot of other young people, have already checked out.
Having said that, this is objectively a huge win for the city. This is thousands of high-paying long-term career jobs, and billions of dollars of investment for a workplace, in an area that hasn't seen this kind of investment in decades... if ever. This is not a stadium. You're making a lot of weird strawman/apples-oranges arguments in your post.
Great news! While the project likely won't be good urbanism, job sprawl is so much worse for the region. Hope they move the historic buildings including the Buster Brown Blue Ribbon Factory.
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Thank God. I was beginning to despair when it was looking like St. Claire County was going to be chosen.
Pair this with a soccer stadium, and Downtown West will be the next Cortex...
This will be great for the city. Eminent domain is a necessary evil. And even if this won't bring in property taxes, it will bring in spending money, investiment, income tax, and sales tax (employees on lunch, happy hour, etc.).
It's not like this mostly vacant land is generating much in property taxes as it is. If it spurs redevelopment of the neighborhood around it, it will be a net gain.
This will be great for the city. Eminent domain is a necessary evil. And even if this won't bring in property taxes, it will bring in spending money, investiment, income tax, and sales tax (employees on lunch, happy hour, etc.).
It's not like this mostly vacant land is generating much in property taxes as it is. If it spurs redevelopment of the neighborhood around it, it will be a net gain.
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Need the senate to follow through a approve the $10m in general revenue that the House approved for work at 64/Jefferson for this