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This debate is turning ugly on the editorial boards.
From the Post-Dispatch: "NGA. Three letters that are far more critical for the city than NFL"
http://www.stltoday.com/news/opinion/co ... e2617.html
Response from the News Democrat: "Parochialism, logic at their worst on NGA"
http://www.bnd.com/opinion/editorials/a ... 16915.html
From the Post-Dispatch: "NGA. Three letters that are far more critical for the city than NFL"
http://www.stltoday.com/news/opinion/co ... e2617.html
Response from the News Democrat: "Parochialism, logic at their worst on NGA"
http://www.bnd.com/opinion/editorials/a ... 16915.html
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Hearing that NGA traffic engineers( probably consultants) have some big wants from MoDOT. And MoDOT has no plans of doing their wants right now. Nor money.
could be an interesting battle at EWG between Illinois and Missouri. Both have the same # of votes at the board and could block any project
could be an interesting battle at EWG between Illinois and Missouri. Both have the same # of votes at the board and could block any project
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^ what do you speculate those wants from MoDOT might be? Jefferson/64 interchange improvements?
^^ shimmy, interesting viewpoints in those two opposing editorials.... as everyone is on heroin in the Metro East I thought the reference to crime and drugs (I kid! I kid! Or am I?) was a distraction, but when you get down to it the BND editorial focused it's arguments on why the Metro East would be good for the NGA and the Post-Dispatch only argued why the NGA would be good for St. Louis; basically the latter's argument is that the City is a basket case and the federal government was partly responsible so here's a chance to make amends. That isn't a very strong argument when trying to influence a national security agency.
^^ shimmy, interesting viewpoints in those two opposing editorials.... as everyone is on heroin in the Metro East I thought the reference to crime and drugs (I kid! I kid! Or am I?) was a distraction, but when you get down to it the BND editorial focused it's arguments on why the Metro East would be good for the NGA and the Post-Dispatch only argued why the NGA would be good for St. Louis; basically the latter's argument is that the City is a basket case and the federal government was partly responsible so here's a chance to make amends. That isn't a very strong argument when trying to influence a national security agency.
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^ The BND was really layin' on the crap, though. I find it amusing that a neighborhood from which "the last residents left 45 years ago" is "a haven for drug trafficking and nationally ranked for violent crime". They blatantly lied. The numbers as of 2012 show that Carr Square—largely vacant—is safer than some of St. Louis' safer south-side 'hoods like Soulard and Shaw: http://nextstl.com/2012/08/understandin ... hborhoods/. Franky I found that editorial to be every bit as parochial as the PD's, if not more so, and their claim that the PD "Kroenke"-ed them is total bullsh*t as the PD editorial didn't make a single disparaging remark about St. Clair. It merely acknowledged St. Clair's reasons for wanting the NGA.
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^ I agree much of the BND ediitorial was crap, but again I think it did a better job of making arguments for why it's preferred choice works for NGA.... the benefits to NGA of abundant land for future needs, proximity to Scott AFB, and cost (although I'm not sure the City plans to ask NGA to reimburse the city for the land assemblage) were expressed clearly, Meanwhile, the Post made no direct mention of positive benefits to NGA, although it could have. It was kind of like going into a job interview and saying how much you need the job but not saying why you are the right candidate that will benefit the employer.
I thought the Post editorial was a poor sales job and is rather representative of our problem of selling.marketing ourselves well.
I thought the Post editorial was a poor sales job and is rather representative of our problem of selling.marketing ourselves well.
Yeah, I found the BND editorial needlessly defensive, and the reference to Kroenke was a bit of a stretch that didn't make a whole lot of sense. I think the Metro East is used to getting disparaged in this region, so the BND is perhaps jumping to their posts by perceiving a slight where one doesn't really exist. It's a rare occurrence for the Metro East to compete with the Missouri side for anything seriously, and this is a case where the Metro East has a clear logical advantage. Or maybe they're just trying to sell more papers.
But, as RW said, I think it lays out a much better argument as to why St. Clair is a better site. It's an argument that I made on the last page, so I won't bother repeating it, but when I read the PD editorial last week I thought the argument of "Well Pruitt-Igoe was a disaster and the federal government owes us!" was an incredibly lame argument. I have no problem with the BND responding to that editorial and argument and calling it out for being crap.
But, as RW said, I think it lays out a much better argument as to why St. Clair is a better site. It's an argument that I made on the last page, so I won't bother repeating it, but when I read the PD editorial last week I thought the argument of "Well Pruitt-Igoe was a disaster and the federal government owes us!" was an incredibly lame argument. I have no problem with the BND responding to that editorial and argument and calling it out for being crap.
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I would be shocked if they choose the city. Obama is making the final decision and he owes Durbin some favors for his help getting Obama elected to the Senate.
NGA could build taller if it's assumed it will expand.
Found this funny from an article on the HQ in Va
NGA’s New East Coast Headquarters Achieves LEED Gold Certification
Would love to know if they reached that goal.
Found this funny from an article on the HQ in Va
NGA’s New East Coast Headquarters Achieves LEED Gold Certification
http://www.rtkl.com/ngas-new-east-coast ... ification/By encouraging the use of public transportation, the strategy removes nearly 3,500 cars from area roads and reduces automobile use by 33% for NGA staff.
Would love to know if they reached that goal.
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I'll go out on a limb to say my vote is for the city.
For one the city needs these jobs more than any other selected area in the region specially with the possibility of Peabody Energy going bankrupt if the city loses out on this which is the likelihood then things in the city could get very ugly.
Geography Illinois isn't west which doesn't mean anything but still. Yes, SAB makes the most sense for the relocation however why single out the city that's lost tax revenue for all the schools transportation etc.
Also, Slay needs something to save his arse with downtown being in a stalemate crime as high as Burj Khalifa he could use a major pick me up victory to boost his confidence .
I'm sorry to say but Belleville is starting to sound like Clayton taking swings at the city and from what I've last learned Belleville isn't growing any much either and they seem to see quite a few of St.Louis regions high profile crimes so they aren't necessarily a beach in the park.
I know Obama will likely select Illinois why would he not i mean heck if he could he would relocate all of the Boeing air defense out of St.Louis to Chicago.
The city is in major need of an injection of positivity!!!
For one the city needs these jobs more than any other selected area in the region specially with the possibility of Peabody Energy going bankrupt if the city loses out on this which is the likelihood then things in the city could get very ugly.
Geography Illinois isn't west which doesn't mean anything but still. Yes, SAB makes the most sense for the relocation however why single out the city that's lost tax revenue for all the schools transportation etc.
Also, Slay needs something to save his arse with downtown being in a stalemate crime as high as Burj Khalifa he could use a major pick me up victory to boost his confidence .
I'm sorry to say but Belleville is starting to sound like Clayton taking swings at the city and from what I've last learned Belleville isn't growing any much either and they seem to see quite a few of St.Louis regions high profile crimes so they aren't necessarily a beach in the park.
I know Obama will likely select Illinois why would he not i mean heck if he could he would relocate all of the Boeing air defense out of St.Louis to Chicago.
The city is in major need of an injection of positivity!!!
I signed the petition. Did you?
Enforce Presidential Executive Order 12072, and select North St. Louis City as the home of the new NGA West Headquarters
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petiti ... adquarters
Enforce Presidential Executive Order 12072, and select North St. Louis City as the home of the new NGA West Headquarters
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petiti ... adquarters
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^I did, and I feel like an old fart but I wrote the president a letter, a real paper letter, and mailed it last week. You can do the same if you think it'd matter.
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Maybe Mayor Slay reads this forum:roger wyoming II wrote:Meanwhile, the Post made no direct mention of positive benefits to NGA, although it could have. It was kind of like going into a job interview and saying how much you need the job but not saying why you are the right candidate that will benefit the employer.
I thought the Post editorial was a poor sales job and is rather representative of our problem of selling/marketing ourselves well.
St. Louis in best position to help NGA meet its mission
The editorial supporting north St. Louis as the new home of the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency-West headquarters rightly pointed out several reasons why our city will benefit from such a decision (“NGA beats NFL,” Jan. 21)....
But the other side of the story is that the north St. Louis location is the best choice to help the NGA meet its mission....
Hiya, Mr. Mayor!
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^ yes, it was a good argument.... it's something that I'd like to think he's hustling on every single day to get biz to come to Greater Downtown and something I hope our region's corporate community buys into as they make their own location decisions instead of just arguing NGA should be there and not them.gary kreie wrote:The Mayor's letter was excellent, pointing out why the city site is good for NGA. Close proximity to growing city tech scene and business community, close to the airport, close to city living favored by millennials, etc.
The City losing NGIA would make it appear as if the federal government is abandoning a sinking ship.
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http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt ... b5365.htmlMcKee himself arrived Monday morning in a silver GMC Denali SUV.
"Get out of here," McKee told Chapman without getting out of his vehicle. "You can do whatever you want, just not on my property."
McKee then pulled forward and told police officers he wanted the group arrested for trespassing. He then drove away.
The officers arrested two men after McKee left — Chapman and Gustavo Rendon, who lives next door to the vacant land.
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When can we arrest McKee for all of the violations and issues he's had with all these properties? Surely theres SOMETHING that the city can charge him with to get the message across?!
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There needs to be a mural competition making fun of McKee. Winner gets to paint a double-sized billboard erected at Tucker and Cass.
Have to agree with Ebsy sentiments, city losing out VA downtown and then a decision by feds to pull NGIA would certainly gives a terrible impression. The latest side show just adds to the circus. Heck, PD reports on congressmen Clays' tour and then spends half the article talking about McKee & the protestors
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt ... d12c4.html
As far as the selection itself and whether what anyone one of us thinks as the best location, I can only say this is at political as it gets with Clay giving the top democratic on the house intelligence committee a tour and calling out current administration to hold to its own policy.
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt ... d12c4.html
As far as the selection itself and whether what anyone one of us thinks as the best location, I can only say this is at political as it gets with Clay giving the top democratic on the house intelligence committee a tour and calling out current administration to hold to its own policy.
quincunx wrote:NGA could build taller if it's assumed it will expand.
Found this funny from an article on the HQ in Va
NGA’s New East Coast Headquarters Achieves LEED Gold Certification
http://www.rtkl.com/ngas-new-east-coast ... ification/By encouraging the use of public transportation, the strategy removes nearly 3,500 cars from area roads and reduces automobile use by 33% for NGA staff.
Would love to know if they reached that goal.
NGA's headquarters is on the premises of Fort Belvoir in suburban NOVA (Springfield if recall correctly). Removing 3500 cars from area roads is nice but if you've ever driven on or near the beltway and 95 corridor in rush hour, it's just a drop in the bucket. on the flipside, every bit helps I guess.
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I've been on the fence about the NGA location. The Jefferson and Cass plan isn't particularly urban, and there are plenty of reasons why St. Clair County is not a bad choice for the region. The military industrial complex can double down on the SWIC campus over there and build up the airport while St. Louis City focuses on it's people and places.
Now that I've read this painfully weak bit of persuasive nonsense though, I feel lukewarm to the whole thing. Mark Kern's argument is farm land?
http://www.stltoday.com/news/opinion/il ... 61529.html
Now that I've read this painfully weak bit of persuasive nonsense though, I feel lukewarm to the whole thing. Mark Kern's argument is farm land?
He has to do better than that. St. Clair County's land use planning is a mess.Let’s take a moment to widen the aperture to look at this key military user... Unlike the north St. Louis site with its multiple property owners, the Scott AFB site has only one owner: St. Clair County. It currently consists entirely of farm fields and will present no environmental or infrastructure-related barriers to on-time and on-budget construction.
http://www.stltoday.com/news/opinion/il ... 61529.html
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I wish Vegas had a betting line between Scott AFB and Jefferson & Cass because I'd put a load on Scott. This is all politics, nothing more, nothing less. And Obama owes Durbin, simple as that.
STL will go 0 for 2 with NFL and NGA...book it Danno
STL will go 0 for 2 with NFL and NGA...book it Danno