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San Luis Native wrote: ↑

Jul 22, 2017

St. Louis, and the vast majority of other cities, just don't have comparable institutions. This isn't a knock against St. Louis or other cities, hey, there can only be one #1, right?

do you mean with regard to comp sci/robotics? i think WashU is AT LEAST as highly regarded as Carnegie Mellon overall. unfortunately, though, Pitt is rungs above both SLU and UMSL.

personally i would really love for WashU to expand their planetary science program/facilities. our Earth and Planetary department is actually very highly regarded, but it's extremely Earth-oriented (geochemistry and geophysics) with one faculty member heavily involved in Mars missions and another with various outer-planets missions including New Horizons and the upcoming Europa mission. i would love to see the department expand their focus to include more space plasma and atmospheric science and get involved more heavily in planetary missions like CU Boulder or Berkeley, which have entire space science labs dedicated to instrument development and mission operations.

urban_dilettante wrote: ↑

Jul 22, 2017

San Luis Native wrote: ↑

Jul 22, 2017

St. Louis, and the vast majority of other cities, just don't have comparable institutions. This isn't a knock against St. Louis or other cities, hey, there can only be one #1, right?

do you mean with regard to comp sci/robotics? i think WashU is AT LEAST as highly regarded as Carnegie Mellon overall. unfortunately, though, Pitt is rungs above both SLU and UMSL.

Yes, specifically with regard to comp sci and robotics, Wash U is not in the same ballpark as Carnegie Mellon. Again, not a slam against Wash U, it's just that Carnegie Mellon has a long established record as a leader in those fields of tech.

San Luis Native wrote: ↑

Jul 23, 2017

Yes, specifically with regard to comp sci and robotics, Wash U is not in the same ballpark as Carnegie Mellon. Again, not a slam against Wash U, it's just that Carnegie Mellon has a long established record as a leader in those fields of tech.

sure. CM excels over WU in some fields, and vice versa. no argument.

urban_dilettante wrote: ↑

Jul 24, 2017

San Luis Native wrote: ↑

Jul 23, 2017

Yes, specifically with regard to comp sci and robotics, Wash U is not in the same ballpark as Carnegie Mellon. Again, not a slam against Wash U, it's just that Carnegie Mellon has a long established record as a leader in those fields of tech.

sure. CM excels over WU in some fields, and vice versa. no argument.

I would not be surprised if Wash U excels over CM in various fields, but taking it back to the point of discussion (STLgasm's article), highly doubtful you can point to a field Wash U excels in over CM that is as lucrative and transformative as comp-sci/robotics, and additionally, in which Wash U excels at by such a wide margin as CM does over Wash U in these fields.

The changes software, robotics and tech hardware brought in the last decade or two economically and socially (and posed to bring in the coming decades) are unparalleled. Having a world renowned leader in these fields result in reaping the benefits. That's at the core of the article and that's purely what my CM vs WashU commentary has been in regards to.

I've never attempted to argue (or even discuss) that WashU is inferior in other disciplines no matter how hard you try

Just saw Best Robotics is moving its HQ from Texas to Pittsburgh.

One thing I wish we had that Pittsburgh enjoys is that large state university... To me,WashU more or less = CMU and SLU = Duquesne but then they also have The University of Pittsburgh, which is a solid school in its own right and with a large enrollment.

It seems in general the large state schools tend to be in smaller metro areas and the exceptions tend to also be state capitals (See Columbus and Austin). Many tend to be just outside larger metro area boundaries with development going towards each other likely in part due to split commutes in household. (See KU and KC, CU and Denver, and UGA and Atlanta)

Here the large state university is far outside metro area. To add to that about the same distance away is a STEM centered public university in the same 90-120 minutes away from St. Louis. (note: most states don't have that type of niche university)

STLrainbow wrote:Just saw Best Robotics is moving its HQ from Texas to Pittsburgh.

One thing I wish we had that Pittsburgh enjoys is that large state university... To me,WashU more or less = CMU and SLU = Duquesne but then they also have The University of Pittsburgh, which is a solid school in its own right and with a large enrollment.

I think it's fair to point out that we have UMSL. SIUE is also near by. Granted not as "prestigious" as UP but they are still large public universities.


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^ oh, sure, those are nice assets for our region definitely, but I was thinking more of big universities plunked right down in the friendly confines of the city.... Pitt pretty much would be like Missouri-Columbia but plunked down in Saint Louis City. They also have a number of smaller but quality, still decent-sized colleges in the heart of the city including Art Institute of Pittsburgh and Point Park downtown and Chatham and Carlow in Shadyside/Squirrel Hill.

Definitely many thousands more young students living in and being exposed to the city proper there than we have.

San Luis Native wrote: ↑

Jul 24, 2017

...highly doubtful you can point to a field Wash U excels in over CM that is as lucrative and transformative as comp-sci/robotics, and additionally...

well, biomedical engineering and medicine are certainly transformative. maybe not as lucrative?

San Luis Native wrote: ↑

Jul 24, 2017

I've never attempted to argue (or even discuss) that WashU is inferior in other disciplines no matter how hard you try

not trying and never said you were doing that. just giving credit where i think it's due.

Greater Cincinnati's economy fastest-growing in Midwest
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/money/ ... 840139001/

With just 0.8% growth, it looks like STL metro economy lagged behind the national average for metros (1.7%) and many peers once again.

STLrainbow wrote: ↑

Nov 13, 2017

Greater Cincinnati's economy fastest-growing in Midwest
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/money/ ... 840139001/

With just 0.8% growth, it looks like STL metro economy lagged behind the national average for metros (1.7%) and many peers once again.

Very surprising that Minneapolis grew so slow. They were really kicking butt up there. Then it again, it makes since Cincinnati is growing so fast. Didn't just land the Amazon freight thing? I'm sure 2-3,000 jobs would have a similar effect on St. Louis economy.

The Twin Cities are actually a slow growth metro. Not many would assume it, but it’s not growing as fast as People would assume.


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Chalupas54 wrote: ↑

Nov 13, 2017

The Twin Cities are actually a slow growth metro. Not many would assume it, but it’s not growing as fast as People would assume.


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I wouldn't define Minneapolis as slow growth and it's definitely had brisk growth by Midwestern standards. Just to put everything into perspective. Minneapolis-St. Paul passed St. Louis metro as recently as the 1990 census and is already nearly a million people larger. It's growing at a healthy pace of about 300,000/decade, while St. Louis is growing at about 100,000 per decade. If St. Louis was growing at that rate since the 70s, we would easily be over 4,000,000 in the metro.

STLrainbow wrote: ↑

Nov 13, 2017

Greater Cincinnati's economy fastest-growing in Midwest
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/money/ ... 840139001/

With just 0.8% growth, it looks like STL metro economy lagged behind the national average for metros (1.7%) and many peers once again.

Surprised that Cinci performed that well, also surprised that Pittsburgh is that far behind us given that buzz they create (see my comments in the Amazon thread)

Also was under the impression that the KC economy was doing better - they are growing faster then us, but I have had people tell me it was twice what our growth is

Pretty Interesting piece on Riverfront Times site on new satellite data.



https://www.riverfronttimes.com/newsblo ... mar-divide


Here is the link to the original site where you can scroll around to any city in the world and select walking, biking, etc.

https://labs.strava.com/heatmap/#16.31/ ... 54/hot/run

^^ The velodrome is white hot! You can see all the velodromers pedaling up Euclid to get to it.

as others have pointed out in other forums, this is only a map of Strava users walking, running, biking, etc... not citizens in general.

Did notice it does seem in general in the metro area that the trends seem to involve east-west travel noticably more than north-south travel. But thats likely because the overall transortation infrastructure tends to go that way as well.

Just did a twitter thread on how Saint Louis beats the crap out of Nashville when it comes to being a real city with a real urban fabric and history... inspired by the Louis Lange rehab.

I don't understand the fascination with cities like Nashville, Austin, and Denver. Nashville specifically, all one has to do is look at Google Maps; they have a couple blocks downtown that are packed with bars but other than that, the place is on par with Springfield MO.

Not knocking those places, just knocking the people who think we are going to be overtaken by them

STLrainbow wrote: ↑

Jan 02, 2018

Just did a twitter thread on how Saint Louis beats the crap out of Nashville when it comes to being a real city with a real urban fabric and history... inspired by the Louis Lange rehab.

Love the thread, but I don't really subscribe to the Nashville bashing. Of all of STL's neighbor cities, Nashvillians love St Louis. I don't say that lightly. They love the Cardinals. They love our city. I haven't met one person from Nashville who has anything negative to say about St Louis.

^ I hear ya... if I intended to bash anybody it wasn't Nashville itself so much as locals who fail to appreciate what we have here and measure things mostly by shiny new towers and sports franchises.

I have family in Nashville and have been going there all my life. I personally do not see the appeal of the city. They have a nice little downtown area, but outside of that it's one level above Paducah Kentucky. To me Nashville is just a prime example of what a unified government and marketing can do for a region, a good example of what St. Louis could be doing. St. Louis has way more going for it, but it will never be able to fully realize it's potential until the region is FORCED to work together and legally binded.

Aesir wrote: ↑

Jan 02, 2018

I don't understand the fascination with cities like Nashville, Austin, and Denver.

Agreed, but I think Denver is in a different league than Nashville and Austin. It feels like a big city. I just think it's ugly, mountains notwithstanding. And as of last census it's overtaken us.

goat314 wrote: I have family in Nashville and have been going there all my life. I personally do not see the appeal of the city.

I really don't know Nashville that well so I can't comment too much other than it really is a small city.... I mean, Columbus, OH is significantly larger and faster-growing. That sucker is nearing 1 million people and Franklin County likely will surpass our combined City+County population by the end of the decade. The interesting thing there is that while it has an ok downtown, it isn't the CBD that is exploding with new construction... it's the Short North/Ohio State area that is booming with construction so it's a bit more like us than say Nashville or Indy.