Nuisance Abatement Vehicle 
Skinker and Delmar 3/18/12 about noon.
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Skinker and Delmar 3/18/12 about noon.
I did not know SLMPD had one of these. Some cities swear by them for getting rid of nuisance properties. If they can get rid of my neighbors, I'll be sold on the idea.
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^ It might take an armored vehicle to get rid of your neighbors? Oooh, please tell the story!
^Briefly...In FPSE, consistently the most dangerous street in the 9th district, one of the first homicides of 2012 occurred here. We're working on it. ...and now back to loitering I thought the problem was under control in the Loop. Maybe the weather has brought more people out?
I thought the problem was under control in the Loop. Maybe the weather has brought more people out?- 320
Huge police response at the Loop about 8 pm tonight. Cops blocking the intersections and herding crowds toward the Metrolink stations.
Amidst the sound of dozens and dozens of sirens speeding up from Hwy 40 and FPP and Delmar, went over to the Loop, an officer said "Kids out of control".
We asked 'How many? Hundreds?'
Policeman responded "Thousands".
Amidst the sound of dozens and dozens of sirens speeding up from Hwy 40 and FPP and Delmar, went over to the Loop, an officer said "Kids out of control".
We asked 'How many? Hundreds?'
Policeman responded "Thousands".
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Monster fight at Skinker and Delmar.
Materialistic Canadians probably.
Materialistic Canadians probably.
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Matt Sebek of JoeSportsFan tweeted to Mayor Slay that there was a death amidst the brawl.
@MattSebek
One dead after brawl in front of Pi in the Loop. Saturday night on one of #STL's busiest streets. Not a problem though, right @MayorSlay?
@MattSebek
One dead after brawl in front of Pi in the Loop. Saturday night on one of #STL's busiest streets. Not a problem though, right @MayorSlay?
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I understand it was merely a street fight involving maybe a 100 people and a few gunshots on your city's premier entertainment strip on a Saturday night but don't you think it deserves a spot on STLTODAY at the moment instead of a debate about gun laws and neighborhood watch groups?
Seriously, is this story being suppressed, and why?
Seriously, is this story being suppressed, and why?
KMOX has the scoop.
http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2012/03/31/ ... lU.twitter
I was in the LOOP Fri night and there was plenty of police both U City and SLMPD.
That damn Church;'s Chicken has got to go. The parking lot is used as a hang out. The brats who played the knockout game on me two summers ago were rabble-rousing in that lot just before.
BTW Tavolo was open Fri day night. Welcome to the neighborhood!
http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2012/03/31/ ... lU.twitter
I was in the LOOP Fri night and there was plenty of police both U City and SLMPD.
That damn Church;'s Chicken has got to go. The parking lot is used as a hang out. The brats who played the knockout game on me two summers ago were rabble-rousing in that lot just before.
BTW Tavolo was open Fri day night. Welcome to the neighborhood!
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No official reports of anyone dead. The latest news says there was a fight (not thousands of teens) and then several hours later a car was hit with gunfire and showed up at an area hospital with two shooting victims.
Still, shots were fired at one of the busiest places in they city. A friend of mine was outside of Pin Up when shots were fired. He said it was pretty freaky. Everyone went inside.
This kind of crime is ridiculous. Families children are around here. The city or the cops need to get this kind of stopped immediately.
This kind of crime is ridiculous. Families children are around here. The city or the cops need to get this kind of stopped immediately.
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i'm not saying it's ethical to keep information from the public but a knee-jerk story about this in STLToday is not going to have any kind of useful or positive impact. i'd rather they wait until they have all the facts; just look at the last few posts on here and see how the mob size went from thousands to hundreds to a hundred to just a fight in a parking lot.leeharveyawesome wrote:...don't you think it deserves a spot on STLTODAY at the moment instead of a debate about gun laws and neighborhood watch groups?
Seriously, is this story being suppressed, and why?
i'm sure they'd be happy to hear your suggestions. martial law, perhaps?pat wrote:The city or the cops need to get this kind of stopped immediately.
yep. along with the Shell station across the street.quincunx wrote:That damn Church;'s Chicken has got to go.
While I don't like the Shell either, ay least there's continuous traffic within it while the Church's Chicken parking lot is private and thus usually not filled this time of night as you can see in the KMOX story. The curfew needs to be extended in to the City portion. Thanks fragmentation!
StLtoday stroy - Disturbance on Delmar Loop last night
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/dist ... f6878.html
StLtoday stroy - Disturbance on Delmar Loop last night
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/dist ... f6878.html
Are you implying that they're doing enough? Do you really think they are taking every rational means available right now to stop it? It certainly does not seem that they are. Yeah, problems will come about from time to time no matter the location, but this has been happening more often as a of late in the Loop. And now it has gotten more severe. Its one thing for kids to get together and get rowdy. Its another for them to start shooting at each other. A line is being crossed.pat wrote:
The city or the cops need to get this kind of stopped immediately.
i'm sure they'd be happy to hear your suggestions. martial law, perhaps?
A curfew perhaps (like some have suggested) for those under 21 and not with a parental guardian would do a lot in my opinion.
Mayor Slay tweeted:
Just finished a 1½ hr meeting with U City Mayor Welsch, two police chiefs, Ald Krewson, reps from Wash U, Metro, and Loop busineses. #fgs
Just finished a 1½ hr meeting with U City Mayor Welsch, two police chiefs, Ald Krewson, reps from Wash U, Metro, and Loop busineses. #fgs
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what exactly is "enough"? what are all these "rational means" that they're failing to implement? people often say "they need to stop this" but it's just not that easy. a curfew is great so long as there are enough uniforms on the street to enforce it, but if we concentrate cops in U. City we take them away from other parts of the city. should we up the police presence in U. City permanently? then either other areas will suffer or we'll need to hire more cops, which means higher taxes. i completely agree that something needs to be done to prevent this, but i think blaming the police for "allowing" it to happen is easy but inappropriate.pat wrote:Are you implying that they're doing enough? Do you really think they are taking every rational means available right now to stop it? It certainly does not seem that they are. Yeah, problems will come about from time to time no matter the location, but this has been happening more often as a of late in the Loop. And now it has gotten more severe. Its one thing for kids to get together and get rowdy. Its another for them to start shooting at each other. A line is being crossed.
A curfew perhaps (like some have suggested) for those under 21 and not with a parental guardian would do a lot in my opinion.
^well said. This is not a police problem, it is a neighborhood problem. Something is wrong with the neighborhood--or the one where they reside--when all these kids can do is stand around a Church's Chicken parking lot.
There is already a curfew of 9 pm for under 17 in the U City portion of the Loop. That started that two years ago. What happens is that the U City police push them out and some go into the city portion of the Loop. The curfew in the city is 11:59 pm on Fri and Sat nights. It's stupid having different curfew times in the same place.
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While neither the Shell station nor Church's are responsible for these incidents, their large parking lots make it easy for big groups of people to congregate. Perhaps if the original buildings were still standing at the northwest and southeast corners of Delmar and Skinker, the likelihood of incidents like this occurring would decrease.
You're putting words in my mouth. I never gave blame to the city or the cops. I simply said this needs to be stopped, and I think they could be doing more, whatever that may be (more cops, shorter curfew). Its not criticizing the job of the officers currently there or a knock on the city. Its just a fact that the current situation is not safe enough and it needs to become safer, soon.pat wrote:
Are you implying that they're doing enough? Do you really think they are taking every rational means available right now to stop it? It certainly does not seem that they are. Yeah, problems will come about from time to time no matter the location, but this has been happening more often as a of late in the Loop. And now it has gotten more severe. Its one thing for kids to get together and get rowdy. Its another for them to start shooting at each other. A line is being crossed.
A curfew perhaps (like some have suggested) for those under 21 and not with a parental guardian would do a lot in my opinion.
what exactly is "enough"? what are all these "rational means" that they're failing to implement? people often say "they need to stop this" but it's just not that easy. a curfew is great so long as there are enough uniforms on the street to enforce it, but if we concentrate cops in U. City we take them away from other parts of the city. should we up the police presence in U. City permanently? then either other areas will suffer or we'll need to hire more cops, which means higher taxes. i completely agree that something needs to be done to prevent this, but i think blaming the police for "allowing" it to happen is easy but inappropriate.
Taking cops away from one part of the city doesn't equate to an increase in crime. I doubt if you take cops from St. Louis Hills it will get worse there.
I can only say that "enough" is when the problem no longer exist. I can't predict what the solution is. Martial law would not be "rational means". But say matching the curfew with that of U City would be.
Wow. What a terrible situation. I'm glad the teens that were shot are in stable condition.
This issue is fairly sticky, seriously racial, and desperately needs to be addressed. I'm referring more to the systemic issues driving these incidents on the Loop not the actual incidents themselves. How many years now has this type of behavior been occurring? This wholly eliminates patronage and tax revenue from an entire chunk of the population. It affects viewpoints and perceptions surrounding the urban black community, mass transit, and urban life in St. Louis. It will be interesting to see how our leaders attempt to address this issue once again.
An interesting comparison was made between the Loop and Gaslight Square. While my initial reaction is to simply disregard that comparison as complete nonsense, I have to wonder if there isn't some correlation? I suppose i'm not old enough or learned enough in the genesis of Gaslight Square to make an actual counterpoint.
This issue is fairly sticky, seriously racial, and desperately needs to be addressed. I'm referring more to the systemic issues driving these incidents on the Loop not the actual incidents themselves. How many years now has this type of behavior been occurring? This wholly eliminates patronage and tax revenue from an entire chunk of the population. It affects viewpoints and perceptions surrounding the urban black community, mass transit, and urban life in St. Louis. It will be interesting to see how our leaders attempt to address this issue once again.
An interesting comparison was made between the Loop and Gaslight Square. While my initial reaction is to simply disregard that comparison as complete nonsense, I have to wonder if there isn't some correlation? I suppose i'm not old enough or learned enough in the genesis of Gaslight Square to make an actual counterpoint.
I drove (in crawling traffic) through the area on my way to dinner and there were large groups of teenagers being herded towards the east by the police officers. There was typical teenage behavior with groups of giggling girls and boys showing off how tough they were. From what I could tell they were not disturbing anyone.
If there was a way to engage these kids and put their energy to good use, you would not need a curfew. I don't have the answers but I feel that barricades, curfews etc just move the problem around without actually addressing it.
If there was a way to engage these kids and put their energy to good use, you would not need a curfew. I don't have the answers but I feel that barricades, curfews etc just move the problem around without actually addressing it.
I think the wellston loop could be redeveloped with 18 and up nightclubs along Page. There are a number of buildings that could be redeveloped and it could be turned into a cool urban/ youth friendly area. There is a metro stop nearby too. That way, these kids, many of them aggressive teenagers, I witnessed it two summers ago, could go there instead of scaring people away from the delmar loop. I love the loop and used to live there, but it is extremely uncomfortable with, yes thousands, of these kids milling about. I don't know why people on here try to make light of this situation or say there was only "a small fight", its clearly a much bigger problem. I'd even go as far to have cops monitor the delmar station and not allow anyone under 18 from getting off the trains on weekends. Sorry, but this could totally bring down businesses in the loop. Gas light square again...
More from KSDK. The sound of the shots were caught on tape.
http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/313482 ... ht-on-tape
http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/313482 ... ht-on-tape