Pretty sure they were planning to leave the substation where it was when constructing plans for the rams stadium were being formed
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Nice to see someone take some risk. There are plenty of locals that could move down there. With this and the rumblings south of the arch, the riverfront is looking to change quite a bit.framer wrote: ↑Dec 13, 2019Looks awesome. Would be nice if STL had the kind of growth that could support these kind of dreams.
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I really enjoyed reading this and I agree it’s not the mega projects that get your city noticed it’s often the smaller projects. Both the Landings “ Chouteau/Leclede” offer unparalleled views of the worlds famous Arch and one of the most famous rivers. St Louis truly has assets that most inland cities don’t have or offer also add the historic stock and charm. It’s ambitious however can be achievable specially once the renamed Chouteaus’s Greenway construction is in full progress anything is possible. There’s a whole lot going on in St Louis and it’s awesome to see people even from out of state/ country wanting to invest and make a difference.
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I just don't know what to think about these grand visions. On one hand it is great to see renderings and visions like this to think about and discuss the merits. On the other hand its frustrating to see this post instead of some solid news on other threads, so many things still need to happen downtown whether it be finding a new owner & anchor tenant for a seriously tall empty class A office tower at 909 Chestnut, to stall development plans whether it be Jeff Arms or Railway Exchange to proposals that came and went dead such as Cupples X or 300 Broadway or simply what we are all waiting on to be announced such as Two Cardinal Way.
Honestly, its starting to feel like 2006 which I believe that comment as been noted on other threads. Grand visions appear and get rendered while smaller doable projects stall because capitalization & securing tenants gets harder as the market runs out its cycle. Hope I'm wrong and off by a several good years.
Honestly, its starting to feel like 2006 which I believe that comment as been noted on other threads. Grand visions appear and get rendered while smaller doable projects stall because capitalization & securing tenants gets harder as the market runs out its cycle. Hope I'm wrong and off by a several good years.
Anyone else notice the top golf type building/green space next to the tallest building in this rendering. That would be a great place to put one.chriss752 wrote: ↑Dec 13, 2019They’re vision is bigger than I thought. The post dispatch has a nice story on their plans.
You can read it here: https://www.stltoday.com/business/local ... dcac4.html
Also the Cahokia mound replica and $1b highway lid.
This is a 30-year vision, at best.
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The highrise east of the Four Seasons has to be at least 450' tall. It dwarfs the Four Seasons, which is not a short building at all (I think it is ~290'). The two highrises on the southside of the development are also probably 300' + judging by how they look next to their surroundings. This will be an interesting project to follow, to say the least. To be honest, I wouldn't be mad if they scrapped the towers in place of some low rises with good street retail, this current iteration is very ambitious, but that's not necessarily a bad thing.
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I really like having a dense framework and vision for future development of the North Riverfront. The STL region is slow growth now, but that may not always be the case. It could take five years or fifty years, but a few things go right for us and STL could easily be the next hotspot. A dense North Riverfront is a great pressure relief valve for when downtown inevitably builds out.
Would love to see a similar vision released for Kosciusko.
How sweet would a Broadway streetcar/BRT line look with that kind of density stretching from the current NGA campus to the Stan Musial Bridge?
Would love to see a similar vision released for Kosciusko.
How sweet would a Broadway streetcar/BRT line look with that kind of density stretching from the current NGA campus to the Stan Musial Bridge?
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At least 2 of those high-rises could be constructed in part because there’s not a lot buildings to rehab in this particular area. I also think the broader Lecledes Landing area and north could become a new innovation district. The entire area has great potential. I can see all of this being done in phases
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While I was very pessimistic about this whole project when it was first announced, I've actually had some in depth conversations with one of the partners and they have solid financing and growth plans. The demand is there, and they're very confident that with the future investments nearby in Square and NGA that it will only just continue to grow. Also, the key piece here is that while there are some nice visuals to help promote what the entire neighborhood might become, they're still approaching this on a per-property basis. Not every building or warehouse can be transformed into residential, and they know this (ie what the costs would be to convert vary from building to building based upon layout and structural variables). They can't single handedly transform this entire district, and some other developers or investors are going to have to join in to eventually get to that grand vision, but I have zero doubt that in 5 years there will be a strong residency rate in their residential properties.
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I hope this doesn't spell the end for Al's. There aren't many places like it left in America, let alone St. Louis. I hope they can find a way to stay.
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I'd be very shocked if Al's were forced out.
If anything, this should probably really excite Al's.
If anything, this should probably really excite Al's.
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Good to hear, as solid financing is key to scaling up. The P-D article states that the family of one of the development partners is reallocating the proceeds from real estate sales in LA into these developments, although it doesn't go in depth to depth or scale. Your comments further confidence in their abilities. They appear smart, connected, committed, and focused on building from the ground-up, and that they're not going after "silver bullet" projects. I philosophically dig their "hits versus home runs" approach, a "moneyball" strategy to developing the Landing, and that they're focused on the long-term while playing for the near-term.chaifetz10 wrote: ↑Dec 14, 2019While I was very pessimistic about this whole project when it was first announced, I've actually had some in depth conversations with one of the partners and they have solid financing and growth plans. The demand is there, and they're very confident that with the future investments nearby in Square and NGA that it will only just continue to grow.
Meanwhile, I personally want to cheer these guys' success all the way to completion. Why? Because this would be mud in the eyes of StanK Kroenke, who is watching his Inglewood project fly far beyond initial investment amounts (stadium more than three times above initial costs), plus massive delays in buildout, while LA money is coming into STL to build up the lands around the Dome.
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^Oh hear hear! I was initially worried about a lot of pie in the sky, but if you do it in small steps, staged, there are a lot of pieces that make sense, at least one at a time. As a thirty year project . . . this is a really nice plan. Ball Park Village writ very very large. And bringing LA development money here? Fantastic!
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Even if all they do is rehab the buildings they've bought, it will have a very positive impact on the Landing. Anything above and beyond that will be amazing.symphonicpoet wrote: ↑Dec 17, 2019^Oh hear hear! I was initially worried about a lot of pie in the sky, but if you do it in small steps, staged, there are a lot of pieces that make sense, at least one at a time. As a thirty year project . . . this is a really nice plan. Ball Park Village writ very very large. And bringing LA development money here? Fantastic!
^ Agreed. Rehab of their existing buildings alone will be quite commendable. Any infill at all would be amazing. Extending development up to the old factory spaces near the steam plant would be even more astonishing. And anything beyond that would be pretty out of this world.
Loading up the Landing: Inside one duo's plan to revitalize the riverfront
https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... s_headline
Some coverage from the BJ today on the two developers snatching up properties in Laclede's Landing. Not much new information in terms of plans. They want to get another 150 or so units up in the next 24 months. Working on securing tax credits, deep pocketed investors, etc to advance further development, especially the Founders District further north. Lumiere has signed on as a partner and seems to be intrigued with these two developers and what they're capable of.
https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... s_headline
Some coverage from the BJ today on the two developers snatching up properties in Laclede's Landing. Not much new information in terms of plans. They want to get another 150 or so units up in the next 24 months. Working on securing tax credits, deep pocketed investors, etc to advance further development, especially the Founders District further north. Lumiere has signed on as a partner and seems to be intrigued with these two developers and what they're capable of.
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Looks like both the Greenly and Hoffman Buildings have officially transferred in December. My source says the rehab is starting within the next month, but I don't see any permits issued.
Story from channel 2 - No real new news but they flash some new renderings of what seems to be a very ambitious master plan -
https://fox2now.com/videos/
https://fox2now.com/videos/
Five or six five or six story buildings would go a long way to bringing the Landing back.
It's never gonna happen but this is what the riverfront deserves. North and south.
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I think this can very achieved but it will take for some rapid stunning growth. I wouldn’t mind it being all low rises but I’ll not complaint there’s nothing wrong with ambitions. Hoping they can prove the naysayers wrong
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