True, if Pat O'Brien's absolutely wanted a new Nawlins replica similar to their location on Memphis' Beale Street, then there are plenty of parking lots facing away from more historically intact inner-streets of the Landing upon which to build.
The Central Scrutinizer wrote:^Great! Then we could have annoying tourists walking around with those stupid hurricanes, just like New Orleans! Maybe we could even get a Margaritaville!
You know what, I'm not a fan of tourist traps either. But I wouldn't look down my nose at a "Pat OBrien's" (or a "Margaritaville"). A Pat's on that parking lot in the middle of the Landing might be enough of a draw to get some people out of the casino and walking (or stumbling) around.
Besides, the Landing is unlike New Orleans in that you're not allowed to carry your drinks out of bars. I think St. Patrick's day is the only time that's allowed on the Landing.
Also: I thought I heard that when it was open, the St. Louis "Planet Hollywood" was one of it's most profitable and highest sales on a dollar per sq ft basis.
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dweebe wrote:The Central Scrutinizer wrote:^Great! Then we could have annoying tourists walking around with those stupid hurricanes, just like New Orleans! Maybe we could even get a Margaritaville!
You know what, I'm not a fan of tourist traps either. But I wouldn't look down my nose at a "Pat OBrien's" (or a "Margaritaville"). A Pat's on that parking lot in the middle of the Landing might be enough of a draw to get some people out of the casino and walking (or stumbling) around.
Besides, the Landing is unlike New Orleans in that you're not allowed to carry your drinks out of bars. I think St. Patrick's day is the only time that's allowed on the Landing.
Fair enough. I guess it's just that I find those two examples to be particulary annoying. Especially when slack-jawed yokel tourists seem compelled to tell you that you just have to go to those two places.
dweebe wrote:
Also: I thought I heard that when it was open, the St. Louis "Planet Hollywood" was one of it's most profitable and highest sales on a dollar per sq ft basis.
I had not heard that. But if true, I wonder what happened?
The Central Scrutinizer wrote:dweebe wrote:The Central Scrutinizer wrote:^Great! Then we could have annoying tourists walking around with those stupid hurricanes, just like New Orleans! Maybe we could even get a Margaritaville!
You know what, I'm not a fan of tourist traps either. But I wouldn't look down my nose at a "Pat OBrien's" (or a "Margaritaville"). A Pat's on that parking lot in the middle of the Landing might be enough of a draw to get some people out of the casino and walking (or stumbling) around.
Besides, the Landing is unlike New Orleans in that you're not allowed to carry your drinks out of bars. I think St. Patrick's day is the only time that's allowed on the Landing.
Fair enough. I guess it's just that I find those two examples to be particulary annoying. Especially when slack-jawed yokel tourists seem compelled to tell you that you just have to go to those two places.
dweebe wrote:
Also: I thought I heard that when it was open, the St. Louis "Planet Hollywood" was one of it's most profitable and highest sales on a dollar per sq ft basis.
I had not heard that. But if true, I wonder what happened?
They nuked most of the chain in America. Even two or three locations that were profitable (like St. Louis) were closed. The majority that remain are overseas. Someone picked the carcass and bought the name. Supposedly they were going to rebrand and remodel the "Aladin" casino in Las Vegas as a "Planet Hollywood" but that's already a year behind.
jlblues wrote:publiceye wrote:Were I the Landing, I'd be figuring out how to take advantage of the impending arrival of the casino hordes. (And they probably are.)
How might they do that? Let's see (with apologies to David Letterman), what could the Landing do?
1. Hire thugs to drag patrons away from the slot machines and out of the a/c onto the sidewalk.
2. Erect flaming barricades in front of the entrances to that nice multi-level parking garage and the giant surface parking lot.
3. Free shiny objects and blue hair tinting at all Landing establishments!
4. Hire people to pose as valets and hide casino patron's cars randomly throughout the Landing.
5. Tire spikes!
6. Create a one-way, dead-end street where they will direct all of the tour buses, then force the blue-hairs at gunpoint to have dinner and/or drinks over at Hannegan's instead of the casino buffet.
7. Drain one side of the "bathtub", so that the casino rests at an angle facing the Landing. All patrons will simply roll out onto the Landing!
8. Erect giant signs that say Pinnacle Casino! on top of the Switzer building in the Landing in the hopes that some people will get confused and accidentally drive over there. See Option 5.
9. Move hundreds of Washington Avenue residents onto the Landing near the casino. They will soon force the casino to close its doors after midnight because of all the "noise" and other slight inconveniences. Patrons might then wander over to the Landing.
10. Allow underage drinking and encourage large drunken, disorderly groups of young people to vandalize cars and buildings, throw bottles, urinate in the alleys, and puke on anything and everything. Oh wait, the Landing already has this one down cold...
One hint: if you're paranoid about your car, park in the Arch garage. It's Federal property and any offence on it is a Federal charge. Public urinationing, DWI and other such actions don't get pleaded down like the city. The Park Service rangers have no sense of humor and don't let things slide.
I don't speak from personal experience: but my moron brothers-in-law know all about it.
publiceye wrote:Were I the Landing, I'd be figuring out how to take advantage of the impending arrival of the casino hordes. (And they probably are.)
How might they do that? Let's see (with apologies to David Letterman), what could the Landing do?
1. Hire thugs to drag patrons away from the slot machines and out of the a/c onto the sidewalk.
2. Erect flaming barricades in front of the entrances to that enormous new parking garage and the acres of surface parking.
3. Free shiny objects and blue hair tinting at all Landing establishments!
4. Hire people to pose as valets and hide casino patrons' cars randomly throughout the Landing.
5. Tire spikes!
6. Create a one-way, dead-end street where they will direct all of the tour buses, then force the blue-hairs off the bus to have dinner at Hannegan's instead of the casino buffet.
7. Drain one side of the "bathtub", so that the casino rests at an angle facing the Landing. All patrons will simply roll out onto the Landing!
8. Erect giant signs that say Pinnacle Casino! on top of the Switzer building in the Landing in the hopes that some people will get confused and accidentally drive over there. See Option 5.
9. Move hundreds of Washington Avenue residents onto the Landing near the casino. They will soon force the casino to close its doors after midnight because of all the "noise" and other slight inconveniences. Patrons might then wander over to Landing establishments.
10. Allow underage drinking and encourage large drunken, disorderly groups of young people to vandalize cars and buildings, throw bottles, urinate in the alleys, and puke on anything and everything - oh wait, the Landing already has this one down cold...
I just moved Dweebe's post here from another thread for continuity of discussion because jlblues post was originally posted in the wrong thread. The posts are now backwards for those that are confused.
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Ummm,
Its a proven fact outside of Las Vegas/Reno
Casinos do not generate outside retail/residential/commercial/office
unless it is incorporated into the Casino package
They milk ya and kick ya out
Its a proven fact outside of Las Vegas/Reno
Casinos do not generate outside retail/residential/commercial/office
unless it is incorporated into the Casino package
They milk ya and kick ya out
The Landing used to be great during the fair - I would go there instead when they had the Miller Music Blast. The streets were closed off and it was a great time - a nice auxilliary, non-family event.
Oh yeah - I saw the Old 97s and Slobberbone over the 4th of July weekend on the landing in 2000. Was that part of the Miller Music Blast?
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Anybody see the following question posted as part of the mini-poll on Mayor Slay's Website?
"Should downtown's Laclede's Landing become an X-rated adult entertainment district, like parts of the East Side?" 16% of respondents are listed as saying yes in the poll results tablulated as of today.
Where did this notion come from?
"Should downtown's Laclede's Landing become an X-rated adult entertainment district, like parts of the East Side?" 16% of respondents are listed as saying yes in the poll results tablulated as of today.
Where did this notion come from?
I assume it has something to do with the proximity to the casino(s) and the parallel to a Vegas-like area, but really that's a horrible idea.
I was one of the 16% that voted yes. I think we all need to loosen up a little once in a while.
I think so too, but we have East St Louis for that. I wouldn't want the landing to become an entire x-rated district. That neighborhood deserves something classier.
My toung was planted firmly in cheek, but I did still vote yes.
It's got to be a joke. Remember how everyone freaked out when Deja Vu strip club opened for a short period on the Landing in the early 90's? I remember driving by on opening night and all of the TV news trucks parking in front with the reporters doing remote shots.
I do think they should explore the option of allowing open containers outside bars (no glass though) on the Landing on weekends. They do it three or four times a year (St. Patty's, Mardi Gras, Blues Fest).
It's part of the fun of the French Quarter. Beale Street in Memphis also allows open containers on the street on weekends.
I do think they should explore the option of allowing open containers outside bars (no glass though) on the Landing on weekends. They do it three or four times a year (St. Patty's, Mardi Gras, Blues Fest).
It's part of the fun of the French Quarter. Beale Street in Memphis also allows open containers on the street on weekends.
Interesting quote from Busdad (a Metro insider) over on the Transportation Forum about the Shrewsbury Metrolink line:
I've done the same thing when in visiting Chicago and staying downtown: take the "L" red line to Wrigleyville bars and then cab it back to the hotel at the end of the night.
We have also noticed amazing Thursday and Friday standing loads after 10:00 pm from the Wash U area heading for the Landing. A couple of regular Metrolink riders were amazed to see student after student pouring onto the trains at Forsyth, Big Bend and Forsyth to hit the bars. When asked how they planned to come home since the last train was just before midnight from the Landing, some of the kids said..no problem, we will take cabs. These were trains with over 200 persons onboard.
This is certainly a new market and a different demographic for Metro. It would be nice to have a 1:00 am and 2:00 am Landing to Shrewsbury trip on Friday and Saturday night. That won't happen soon however.
I've done the same thing when in visiting Chicago and staying downtown: take the "L" red line to Wrigleyville bars and then cab it back to the hotel at the end of the night.
^You didn't have to take a cab back. The Red Line runs 24/7. Unless you were too drunk to ride the train? 
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Are there no strip clubs at all in St. Louis city limits?
^I believe there are a couple of go-go type places, but even topless dancing is prohibited in Missouri. Pasties are allowed, but why would anyone try to open such a place in St. Louis when you can just cross the bridge and see completely nude performers?
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Juice13610 wrote:Are there no strip clubs at all in St. Louis city limits?
Sadly, no.
jlblues wrote:^You didn't have to take a cab back. The Red Line runs 24/7. Unless you were too drunk to ride the train?
The Red Line does run 24/7, but goes to 20 or 30 minute headways during that time of night. And for some reason they don't stay on schedule very well. Plus it's a whole lot easier when you're drunk to get back to the hotel when there's a line of taxi cabs waiting right outside all the popular bars.
One hint: when in Chicago end your night at the great blues bar "Kingston Mines". There's a LaBamba burrito place right across the street. Get some late night fuel "to go" there, take the taxi back to the hotel and chow in your room.
BTW: I spent a couple of years emailing the very nice people who run LaBamba trying to get a location in St. Louis. I even took their guy in charge of real estate out one night showing him the different late night areas. He liked the Landing but didn't like the shape it was in: not enough bars. Plus the Laclede's Landing people were suprisingly very unreceptive.
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The Redline is usually never more than a wait of 15 minutes, even that late, from my experience.
And yes, Kingston Mines is great. I live 2 blocks from it. It's open till 4 am on weeknights and 5 am on Saturday and the music is great. LaBamba's (although I personally prefer Allende a few blocks over) is excellent. I hope you showed him some areas other than the Landing (The Loop, the CWE, South Grand). I think the Landing needs something like it (anything fast!), but it's probably the toughest sell.
The Redline is usually never more than a wait of 15 minutes, even that late, from my experience.
And yes, Kingston Mines is great. I live 2 blocks from it. It's open till 4 am on weeknights and 5 am on Saturday and the music is great. LaBamba's (although I personally prefer Allende a few blocks over) is excellent. I hope you showed him some areas other than the Landing (The Loop, the CWE, South Grand). I think the Landing needs something like it (anything fast!), but it's probably the toughest sell.
stlmike wrote:^
The Redline is usually never more than a wait of 15 minutes, even that late, from my experience.
And yes, Kingston Mines is great. I live 2 blocks from it. It's open till 4 am on weeknights and 5 am on Saturday and the music is great. LaBamba's (although I personally prefer Allende a few blocks over) is excellent. I hope you showed him some areas other than the Landing (The Loop, the CWE, South Grand). I think the Landing needs something like it (anything fast!), but it's probably the toughest sell.
Started at the Landing (met him at Sundeckers), then Washginton Ave, down to Soulard and over to South Grand. Went through the Central West End and finished at U. City as he was staying at the Red Roof Inn down at 44/Hampton. U. City also really interested him for a location. I lost contact with them and will have to go back and look their emails up.