I'm all in favor of transit options, but OMG - those bus/trolleys are the worst. Of course a streetcar would be great, but the city buses are fine as well.
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I should have been more clear . . . I don' t like them because they are chessy, faux trolley-buses.
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Why not just have a dedicated Wash Ave/Landing bus? Call it the loft line, whatever . . . if we're going to go retro skip the 1920's and go for something unique (Ft. Wayne, Indiana uses these for G*d's sake!)
Why not just have a dedicated Wash Ave/Landing bus? Call it the loft line, whatever . . . if we're going to go retro skip the 1920's and go for something unique (Ft. Wayne, Indiana uses these for G*d's sake!)
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Steve Patterson did a post about just this(loft loop w/ moden looking buses) a while back, He had some pictures of some cool looking modern buses up. You should check it out. I'd be all for something like that.Ihnen wrote:I should have been more clear . . . I don' t like them because they are chessy, faux trolley-buses.
Why not just have a dedicated Wash Ave/Landing bus? Call it the loft line, whatever . . . if we're going to go retro skip the 1920's and go for something unique (Ft. Wayne, Indiana uses these for G*d's sake!)
I spent the past few days in Toronto and on this trip visited their pedestrian-only historic district. The Distillery District is a lot like the Landing but far more upscale. It was developed by a single developer and so has common vision and sense of purpose.
http://www.thedistillerydistrict.com/
This could be the best model for the Landing.
http://www.thedistillerydistrict.com/
This could be the best model for the Landing.
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This could be the best model for the Landing.
This could be the best model for the Lemp Brewery.
Excellent idea! I like the way you think. May work easier in St. Louis because you wouldn't be taking the bottle away from the baby.
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The fake trollies may look cheesey but they're often a big hit with tourists. They're eye-catching and I think send a message that something fun and/or of interest is happening.
STLbiggestfan wrote:The fake trollies may look cheesey but they're often a big hit with tourists. They're eye-catching and I think send a message that something fun and/or of interest is happening.
They use the fake trolleys in Chicago to run out to Navy Pier from downtown/Loop hotels. Every time I've seen one it's filled with people.
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STLbiggestfan wrote:The fake trollies may look cheesey but they're often a big hit with tourists. They're eye-catching and I think send a message that something fun and/or of interest is happening.
I tend to agree with you - while they wouldn't be my first choice, if it's between fake trolleys full of tourists looking to spend their money or people wandering aimlessly around downtown on foot trying to find a restaurant, I'll take the former.
Laclede's Landing seems to be the suburbanite/tourist destination downtown. Once the ballpark bar mall is up and running, odds are the BPV would take over this "coveted" niche.
do you guys think BPV and the Landing can coexist? I don't. In order to survive, it seems that this area is going to need to make some serious changes (such as focusing more on residential/becoming a neighborhood) in the near future when and if Cordish starts building.
do you guys think BPV and the Landing can coexist? I don't. In order to survive, it seems that this area is going to need to make some serious changes (such as focusing more on residential/becoming a neighborhood) in the near future when and if Cordish starts building.
^ You're making assumptions about BPV that aren't clear yet. And theoretically, the Landing can synergize with Lumiere Place.
I can see the landing doing just fine. It lends itself to the younger drunker club type while I see BPV being more of a pub/Clayton type atmosphere. If we could get the skybridge over Washington down I could see a connected Washington/Landing area really doing well.
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I don't see Laclede's Landing competing with nearby areas like Washington St., Soulard, or even whatever BPV might emerge as--which as Innov8ion correctly pointed out we just don't know yet. Personally I would like to see the restoration of the street grid to let it grow organically, but I digress.
I see the Landing as in competition with places like Westport. When I was 21 and living in St. Charles during breaks from college we usually went to either Westport or the Landing on a Friday or Sat. night. When you are that age big cavernous bars with either a DJ or crappy band, hot girls--who curiously got hotter with every malty beverage consumed
, and a dance floor fit most of my going out needs.
Washington St. draws a slightly older (mid 20's and above), more urban oriented (usually folks from Moline or Poplar Bluff hit the Landing and never see Wash west of 6th St.) and Soulard appeals to folks looking for neighborhood bars with live music
Nothing wrong with the niche the Landing fills, even if I do wish that those historic buildings by the river were filled with more establishments I would visit regularly. Lots of cities have areas that are geared to a crowd that due to age or interests or background just isn't ready or would never cotton to the loft district or places with good live music.
Long story short I'd rather have the folks looking for that kind of stuff downtown than in Maryland Heights.
I see the Landing as in competition with places like Westport. When I was 21 and living in St. Charles during breaks from college we usually went to either Westport or the Landing on a Friday or Sat. night. When you are that age big cavernous bars with either a DJ or crappy band, hot girls--who curiously got hotter with every malty beverage consumed
, and a dance floor fit most of my going out needs. Washington St. draws a slightly older (mid 20's and above), more urban oriented (usually folks from Moline or Poplar Bluff hit the Landing and never see Wash west of 6th St.) and Soulard appeals to folks looking for neighborhood bars with live music
Nothing wrong with the niche the Landing fills, even if I do wish that those historic buildings by the river were filled with more establishments I would visit regularly. Lots of cities have areas that are geared to a crowd that due to age or interests or background just isn't ready or would never cotton to the loft district or places with good live music.
Long story short I'd rather have the folks looking for that kind of stuff downtown than in Maryland Heights.
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southsidepride wrote:I don't see Laclede's Landing competing with nearby areas like Washington St., Soulard, or even whatever BPV might emerge as--which as Innov8ion correctly pointed out we just don't know yet. Personally I would like to see the restoration of the street grid to let it grow organically, but I digress.
I see the Landing as in competition with places like Westport. When I was 21 and living in St. Charles during breaks from college we usually went to either Westport or the Landing on a Friday or Sat. night. When you are that age big cavernous bars with either a DJ or crappy band, hot girls--who curiously got hotter with every malty beverage consumed
Washington St. draws a slightly older (mid 20's and above), more urban oriented (usually folks from Moline or Poplar Bluff hit the Landing and never see Wash west of 6th St.) and Soulard appeals to folks looking for neighborhood bars with live music
Nothing wrong with the niche the Landing fills, even if I do wish that those historic buildings by the river were filled with more establishments I would visit regularly. Lots of cities have areas that are geared to a crowd that due to age or interests or background just isn't ready or would never cotton to the loft district or places with good live music.
Long story short I'd rather have the folks looking for that kind of stuff downtown than in Maryland Heights.
Exactly, thank you. The anti-Landing sentiment gets really old. Go down there on a Friday or Saturday night and see how many people are down there; oh, no! A popular nightspot downtown that we have decided is only for the tourists and hoosiers.
When my wife's friends or sisters come up, they want to go to the Landing and do exactly what they do at any other dance club in the US, drink and dance. I'm not sure what's so touristy about it any way, I don't think I've ever paid $10 for a picture with a monkey or anything on the Landing.
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JuiceInDogtown wrote:I'm not sure what's so touristy about it any way, I don't think I've ever paid $10 for a picture with a monkey or anything on the Landing.
Just out of curiosity....who pays for pictures with monkeys?!?!?
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Lumiere’s presence boosts business on the Landing
A year after its opening, Lumiere Place has proved to be a boon for businesses on Laclede’s Landing. But while Lumiere brought more traffic last summer, its addition hasn’t been as noticeable over the past few months, which owners hope has more to do with the chill in the air rather than one in the economy.
Overall, “things have been good with the new casino,” said Emily Kochan, executive director of Laclede’s Landing Merchants Association. “It has helped bring more traffic to the area, and we had a great summer last year.”
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Tha Landing gets Spiff'd up
Although the cold season has put a freeze on some facets of the Landing, plans are in the works to upgrade the district’s infrastructure beginning this spring. At Planning Design Studio, Principal Dan Bockert said the urban designer was preparing an improvement plan to smooth out the Landing’s historic cobblestone streets and make pedestrian walkways more accessible, as well as install new lighting.
“We’re about 30 to 45 days away from a deliverable plan,” Bockert said. “Estimated cost should be around $6 million.” Funding for the project will come from the city of St. Louis, Laclede’s Landing’s recent designation as a Community Improvement District (CID) and the Laclede’s Landing Redevelopment Corp.
http://stlouis.bizjournals.com/stlouis/ ... ocus6.html
A year after its opening, Lumiere Place has proved to be a boon for businesses on Laclede’s Landing. But while Lumiere brought more traffic last summer, its addition hasn’t been as noticeable over the past few months, which owners hope has more to do with the chill in the air rather than one in the economy.
Overall, “things have been good with the new casino,” said Emily Kochan, executive director of Laclede’s Landing Merchants Association. “It has helped bring more traffic to the area, and we had a great summer last year.”
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Tha Landing gets Spiff'd up
Although the cold season has put a freeze on some facets of the Landing, plans are in the works to upgrade the district’s infrastructure beginning this spring. At Planning Design Studio, Principal Dan Bockert said the urban designer was preparing an improvement plan to smooth out the Landing’s historic cobblestone streets and make pedestrian walkways more accessible, as well as install new lighting.
“We’re about 30 to 45 days away from a deliverable plan,” Bockert said. “Estimated cost should be around $6 million.” Funding for the project will come from the city of St. Louis, Laclede’s Landing’s recent designation as a Community Improvement District (CID) and the Laclede’s Landing Redevelopment Corp.
http://stlouis.bizjournals.com/stlouis/ ... ocus6.html
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New improvements to the Landing. Also would be a huge boom to business if I-70 was removed.
Didn't know the Big Bang closed. Big hit.
http://www.ksdk.com/rss/article/397804/ ... es-Landing
Didn't know the Big Bang closed. Big hit.
http://www.ksdk.com/rss/article/397804/ ... es-Landing
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That article looks half-written, doesn't it? If the Landing is ever going to be successful I-70 HAS to go and they need to put apartments in those buildings. Oh yeah, and build mixed-use buildings on the parking lots. No biggie.
I don't think I-70 is a requirement to go in order for the Landing to be successful. It would certainly help connectivity but it still would create a community there.
I think having residential there is a much bigger necessity. Its why Washington, Soulard, The Grove, The Loop, CWE, etc. all do well. There's life there 24/7.
I think having residential there is a much bigger necessity. Its why Washington, Soulard, The Grove, The Loop, CWE, etc. all do well. There's life there 24/7.
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I'd love to see some statuary of Pierre Laclede and Auguste Chouteau down on the Landing... perhaps on the other side of the Eads. And maybe Eads and Meachum.
I saw the segment on the channel 5 news and it was also half-baked with little detail.Anglophile wrote:That article looks half-written, doesn't it? If the Landing is ever going to be successful I-70 HAS to go and they need to put apartments in those buildings. Oh yeah, and build mixed-use buildings on the parking lots. No biggie.
I assume you meant "wouldn't".pat wrote:I don't think I-70 is a requirement to go in order for the Landing to be successful. It would certainly help connectivity but it still would create a community there.
Agreed. Doesn't the area have zero residents?pat wrote:I think having residential there is a much bigger necessity. Its why Washington, Soulard, The Grove, The Loop, CWE, etc. all do well. There's life there 24/7.