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I don't think I-70 is a requirement to go in order for the Landing to be successful. It would certainly help connectivity but it still would create a community there.
I assume you meant "wouldn't".
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From a PD story:
http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/ ... c5980.htmlA 30-story tower — six levels of parking topped by 24 floors of luxury apartments — might go up on Laclede’s Landing.
Drury Development Corp. owns the site, which is adjacent to the Eads Bridge. Vince Miller, a Drury vice president, said the tower could be included in the second part of a two-phase project to build parking garages on the Landing.
John Clark, president of the Laclede’s Landing Redevelopment Corp., said St. Louis Parking wants to replace the existing garage on Leonor K. Sullivan Boulevard with a new garage and build an eight-level garage next to the Eads Bridge between First Street and Claymorgan Alley, land St. Louis Parking already owns.
My gosh, is that much parking necessary? We need bodies down there, not cars. It would be a shame to put an eight level garage next to a landmark like the Eads.
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^ yeah, a monstrous garage abutting the iconic Eads could be a huge step back. Hopefully if a garage is built it will have a fairly decent design that will meet the goals of enhancing flow between the park and LL and have a minimal disturbance upon the aesthetic character of this special district. I'm also looking forward to see what this new plaza/3rd St. streetscaping will look like.
On the tower front, absent a setback in the national economy, I'm sure we'll begin to see new residential towers downtown by the end of the decade.... the question is where the first one will be.
On the tower front, absent a setback in the national economy, I'm sure we'll begin to see new residential towers downtown by the end of the decade.... the question is where the first one will be.
So I'm confused. Is this going to be two separate residential/garage developments or just one tower on the 3rd street and a garage on the riverfront? Either way this will be great for downtown. I just hope that any new garages are mixed uses and aesthetically pleasing. I know the Laclede's Landing association wants to turn the Landing into more of a mixed use neighborhood instead of a watering hole, which is a positive in my opinion.
I think that this design was carefully thought out by Drury.
6 levels of parking may seem excessive, however it would be just the right height to bring the residential component above the elevated section of 70. I only hope that that this garage is somewhat decent looking and does not look like a standard parking garage.A 30-story tower — six levels of parking topped by 24 floors of luxury apartments — might go up on Laclede’s Landing.
I think that this could help bring more life to the area, attracting people towards the landing.The first level of the garage’s west side facing the elevated section of Interstate 70 would include vendor spaces to complement a plaza to be developed along and beneath the freeway.
I agree no one wants an apartment looking directly out, down, or upto Highway 70. So by adding parking you are going to ensure that there are spaces for retail customers, residents, and even visitors. Hopefully this can include enough additional parking to over compensate for development on other existing parking lots.By putting several levels of parking at the base of the building, all apartments would be above the Eads Bridge, providing residents with views of downtown and the Arch, he said.
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^^ my take is that, contingent upon final decision to remove the Arch grounds garage, Drury is only proposing for now one garage (with vendor space facing the plaza) at the vacant property at 3rd and Morgan. A possible Phase II would be for the base garage and tower atop that would be located at the 3rd St./Eads bridge corner (and directly south of the Phase I Morgan garage).
Saint Louis Parking is proposing 2 garages right away, with possible commercial/residential components.
^ I think it is this Saint Louis Parking proposal to develop its surface lot directly by the Eads into an eight-level garage that is the bigger concern... we'll have to see more details of what they have in mind.
Saint Louis Parking is proposing 2 garages right away, with possible commercial/residential components.
^ I think it is this Saint Louis Parking proposal to develop its surface lot directly by the Eads into an eight-level garage that is the bigger concern... we'll have to see more details of what they have in mind.
^I gather the same.
My only hope is that the first garage is designed and built with elements consistent with LaClede Landing's heritage with a modern twist. Infills are definitely needed, but this is an area of downtown/riverfront that should stay relatively consistent in design.
I hope renderings and site proposals/plans are released soon.
I've thought all along that the redo of the Archgrounds could necessitate new residential on LaClede's Landing. The Archgrounds redo should do the same for the The Millennium/Clarion site.
My only hope is that the first garage is designed and built with elements consistent with LaClede Landing's heritage with a modern twist. Infills are definitely needed, but this is an area of downtown/riverfront that should stay relatively consistent in design.
I hope renderings and site proposals/plans are released soon.
I've thought all along that the redo of the Archgrounds could necessitate new residential on LaClede's Landing. The Archgrounds redo should do the same for the The Millennium/Clarion site.
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I am skeptical this tower gets built. At least for another 7-10 years. I think its a ploy to get more parking. Notice the tower is in the 2nd phase. Why not have the tower in the 1st phase and then add the parking garages if deemed necessary? What if the tower never gets built? Then we are stuck with more parking.
We also have a metro link stop on the Landing. Why more parking around metro stops?
We also have a metro link stop on the Landing. Why more parking around metro stops?
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^ the powers-to-be have pretty much committed to a LL garage if the Metro one is demoed. Part of the issue is that a good chunk of it is used by Metro employees and will use the replacement garage... I'm sure that LL itself wants a garage as well as it will gain foot traffic from Arch users.
As for commitment to a tower now, it all goes back to risk aversion. Who's going to pull the trigger? Step up, please!
As for commitment to a tower now, it all goes back to risk aversion. Who's going to pull the trigger? Step up, please!
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f*cking gross. Lacledes Landing is already about 50% surface parking. so what do we build? more parking, of course. can never have too many mostly empty parking garages, i guess.
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^ so true.
I thought the parking needs study completed a few years ago was pretty solid.... it is posted on this piece of junk site somewhere! Anyway, iirc, it basically was not so keen on a large replacement garage and suggested working with under-utilized downtown garages to fulfill demand.
I thought the parking needs study completed a few years ago was pretty solid.... it is posted on this piece of junk site somewhere! Anyway, iirc, it basically was not so keen on a large replacement garage and suggested working with under-utilized downtown garages to fulfill demand.
The Arch garage is going as part of the CAR project. Being involved on other aspects, I'm almost certain that garage is going no matter what.
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Good god. You know, if we just demo all of the existing buildings we might be able to squeeze in even more parking garages!
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^ that's phase 3.
phase 0: collect underpants
phase 1: parking garage
phase 2: ?
phase 3: demo all existing buildings and squeeze in more parking garages
phase 4: profit
phase 0: collect underpants
phase 1: parking garage
phase 2: ?
phase 3: demo all existing buildings and squeeze in more parking garages
phase 4: profit
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A thread under the Arch Redevelopment CAR banner has included this discussion for some time. We have a fellow contributor who has worked on the preliminary development of this proposed residential tower & garage building who has written of this project previously, including posting some preliminary renderings of the proposed tower. I recall these discussions being supported broadly by us fellow commentators, more positively than what I'm seeing so far commenting on this news story today.
Deep breaths, people. I recommend that we all take a look at what was written before and have some hope that smart, urban-minded people are a part of this project. This could be one of the best things to happen Downtown this year...
Deep breaths, people. I recommend that we all take a look at what was written before and have some hope that smart, urban-minded people are a part of this project. This could be one of the best things to happen Downtown this year...
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Normally I'd agree that his is to much parking, but...
This is proposed to be built on a surface parking lot.
This proposal is contingent on destruction of the arch garage per the CAR plan.
The proposal includes 200 apartments and ground level retail.
So all around a lot of good. Assuming they disguise the garage portion I'd support it. I assume they are aiming to subsume part of the Arch garage's parking market along with supporting their residents, explaining the need for the excessive parking. The true measure of its worth and any downtown projects right now is two things. How many residents will it draw downtown. How many workers will it draw downtown. So for me the only question is 200 apartments enough for this site. My sense is that for the size of the site this is on the low end of acceptable.
This is proposed to be built on a surface parking lot.
This proposal is contingent on destruction of the arch garage per the CAR plan.
The proposal includes 200 apartments and ground level retail.
So all around a lot of good. Assuming they disguise the garage portion I'd support it. I assume they are aiming to subsume part of the Arch garage's parking market along with supporting their residents, explaining the need for the excessive parking. The true measure of its worth and any downtown projects right now is two things. How many residents will it draw downtown. How many workers will it draw downtown. So for me the only question is 200 apartments enough for this site. My sense is that for the size of the site this is on the low end of acceptable.
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^ oh, no question I think most would be very happy to see the proposed Phase II tower with base garage.... I think the concerns are 1) we won't get that and 2) we'll just get the Phase I garage when that use might better be redistributed to underutilized parking elsewhere. I'm agnostic myself.... I think a smallish garage with first floor retail might be okay but a poorly designed, hulky one could be a setback.
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I saw this proposal on another forum and I thought something of similar design could be proposed here.
This tower is proposed for Denver @ 21 stories.
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This tower is proposed for Denver @ 21 stories.
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I would love to see 15 buildings like that in the CWE and a few on the Landing as well. Maybe even one or two in the Loop!
It's the clear suggestion that Phase II is a hypothetical that I think has people worried. When I was home for Christmas I went to the Landing to go to Morgan Street Brewery, and it amazed me when looking around how much potential there was for development. And honestly that was in more of a "How does St. Louis' riverfront neighborhood have this many holes?" way than in any optimistic way. Though in my mind I always pictured the vacant spots along 1st Street to be built on first, such as the old Switzer Building site.
I know the word "parking" automatically makes people on this board cringe, but building a parking garage with retail on top of a surface lot would add more to the neighborhood than what is currently there. I understand that those surface lots perhaps offer the biggest footprint for future development, but I would think that the barren spaces elsewhere around the landing (such as those previously mentioned along 1st Street) would bring first infill construction.
The remaining concern is whether Phase I gets built correctly, which if it does would be a small upgrade, and if Phase II gets built at all, which if it does would be an enormous boost to the neighborhood. When done correctly, a tower on top of a parking garage blends seamlessly. Below is a link to the Wells Fargo Building in Norfolk. When studying it you can tell, but by walking by it and driving by it, I had no idea the first eight floors above ground level were parking until I parked in it for a hockey game.
http://media.hamptonroads.com/cache/ima ... 641000.jpg
I know the word "parking" automatically makes people on this board cringe, but building a parking garage with retail on top of a surface lot would add more to the neighborhood than what is currently there. I understand that those surface lots perhaps offer the biggest footprint for future development, but I would think that the barren spaces elsewhere around the landing (such as those previously mentioned along 1st Street) would bring first infill construction.
The remaining concern is whether Phase I gets built correctly, which if it does would be a small upgrade, and if Phase II gets built at all, which if it does would be an enormous boost to the neighborhood. When done correctly, a tower on top of a parking garage blends seamlessly. Below is a link to the Wells Fargo Building in Norfolk. When studying it you can tell, but by walking by it and driving by it, I had no idea the first eight floors above ground level were parking until I parked in it for a hockey game.
http://media.hamptonroads.com/cache/ima ... 641000.jpg
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Anyone know how that 3rd Street streetscaping is progressing?
It'll be interesting to see how Laclede's Landing shakes out after all is said and done with the Arch related stuff. There's so much potential here; I think if we were a little bit more vibrant in our downtown recovery we'd have seen some significant action here with rehabs and infill.
It'll be interesting to see how Laclede's Landing shakes out after all is said and done with the Arch related stuff. There's so much potential here; I think if we were a little bit more vibrant in our downtown recovery we'd have seen some significant action here with rehabs and infill.
Laclede's Landing does seem to be left behind in the downtown resurgence. If anything it's worse off than it was a decade or two ago. Lumiere may help with tourism and foot-traffic, but it doesn't add to the neighborhood's appeal as a residential option. Also, with the popularity of Wash. Ave. and the opening of Ballpark Village, Laclede's Landing is now a #3 option for drunken revelry downtown. Downtown development these days seems to generally be centered around the Old Post Office and radiating west, anchored by SLU Law, Park Pacific, Central Library, City Museum, and Schlafly along the route west.roger wyoming II wrote:I think if we were a little bit more vibrant in our downtown recovery we'd have seen some significant action here with rehabs and infill.
I agree with some of the other posters (was it you RW?) who proposed making Laclede's Landing open container, and targeting it going forward for marijuana dispensaries. Just go full Bourbon Street/Hamsterdam with it. It's full embrace of vice is what can differentiate it from BPV and more upmarket/mixed-use parts of DT.
Could it make for a great place to live with charming shops and cafes, like a mini-Montreal? Yes. But is that likely to ever happen, especially the way renters, buyers, and developers are focusing their attention? No.
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As i say you never know unless you try it. Lacledes Landing has a lot of potential just hope it doesn't get left too far behind i also wonder with Tropicana acquiring Lumiere will they surprise us and actually build what Pinnacle was going to build as in the loft apartments/condo's to make it more of a neighborhood?