If I had my wish, I would want a 35-40 story neo art deco tower on the site (think the new Brooklyn tower). I think a design like that would match the row of 100 and Chase and compliment Forest Park and the rest of the neighborhood really well.
If that's Stretch McGee, what would we call it @600ft?STLrainbow wrote: ↑Jan 13, 2025^ Stretch McGee!
Today the Koplar lot is alive with trucks and drill rigs from UES. Drilling at three locations on the KingsHighway edge of property. Anyone know what's going on? City or project related?
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Can't imagine the city has anything going on that would require UES. Repaving of Kingshighway or sidewalk work wouldn't need that. Almost has to be the project.
I was suprised to see how quickly they cleared the snow off that lot, considering no one is allowed to park there...
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Likely project related. I don't think since the City required the building be built up closer to Kingshighway, and setback from Lindell, that a new drill survey was done.fdayt wrote: ↑Jan 14, 2025Today the Koplar lot is alive with trucks and drill rigs from UES. Drilling at three locations on the KingsHighway edge of property. Anyone know what's going on? City or project related?
Yes! The Albion doesn't complement what's there at all.delmar2debaliviere2downtown wrote: ↑Jan 14, 2025If I had my wish, I would want a 35-40 story neo art deco tower on the site (think the new Brooklyn tower). I think a design like that would match the row of 100 and Chase and compliment Forest Park and the rest of the neighborhood really well.
Perhaps far-fetched, but Is it possible that with the shift in the project footprint (toward the '100' footprint) Albion/Koplar realize that any potential lenders will likely want added core sampling assurance before negotiating? Both a lender and Albion will want to be sure they will not be hammered with a major and costly geological surprise such as occurred on the '100' site after excavation and drilling for support columns was well under way.
^ I don't think it is far fetched at all. It is money well spent for everyone involved from owner to builder to engineer to architect to the banker if something has changed in the footprint. Even if no surprises are found you are still confirming the geotech with addtional borings.
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In my experience real estate developers don’t spend money on expensive geotechnical surveys in the name of good practice. It’s more likely that something is cookin
Just walked by and there are two rigs drilling currently. Looks like they are digging in somewhat of a grid about 15-20 feet apart and pretty much all over the lot.
They were pretty busy when I went by not long ago.tztag wrote: ↑Jan 23, 2025Just walked by and there are two rigs drilling currently. Looks like they are digging in somewhat of a grid about 15-20 feet apart and pretty much all over the lot.
Any action like this is good news.
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/bus ... the-latest
"The Land Clearance for Redevelopment Authority is slated to confirm the companies as the redeveloper of the property, a procedural step that enables construction to start, at its meeting Tuesday."
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"The Land Clearance for Redevelopment Authority is slated to confirm the companies as the redeveloper of the property, a procedural step that enables construction to start, at its meeting Tuesday."
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Yay! Hopefully this is a sign that the market has adjusted (or something) and other stalled/delayed projects will get moving soon (reliance auto, some of the grove sites, etc.)
Do any peer cities have two NON-downtown neighborhoods (CWE & Clayton) that are seeing high rise development?
KC, Pittsburgh, Indy, etc.
That's a real question I don't know.
If not, I think this all ties into the constant comps to peer cities. I get the sense that all of the exciting development in a city like KC is in downtown KC. And, when comparing cities, one reflexively compares downtowns. That's why STL doesn't have the positive, upward-trajectory vibes of some other cities.
DT STL is mostly seeing rehabs of existing buildings into residential - not nothing, but not as sexy/splashy as a new highrise. All of our cool new urbany sh*t is NOT downtown.
KC, Pittsburgh, Indy, etc.
That's a real question I don't know.
If not, I think this all ties into the constant comps to peer cities. I get the sense that all of the exciting development in a city like KC is in downtown KC. And, when comparing cities, one reflexively compares downtowns. That's why STL doesn't have the positive, upward-trajectory vibes of some other cities.
DT STL is mostly seeing rehabs of existing buildings into residential - not nothing, but not as sexy/splashy as a new highrise. All of our cool new urbany sh*t is NOT downtown.
I've been to all of those cities. I'd say that St. Louis punches way above it's weight in urban development. Pittsburgh definitely has a bigger and more vibrant downtown, but St. Louis has way more urban nodes with high rise development.soulardx wrote: ↑Jan 25, 2025Do any peer cities have two NON-downtown neighborhoods (CWE & Clayton) that are seeing high rise development?
KC, Pittsburgh, Indy, etc.
That's a real question I don't know.
If not, I think this all ties into the constant comps to peer cities. I get the sense that all of the exciting development in a city like KC is in downtown KC. And, when comparing cities, one reflexively compares downtowns. That's why STL doesn't have the positive, upward-trajectory vibes of some other cities.
DT STL is mostly seeing rehabs of existing buildings into residential - not nothing, but not as sexy/splashy as a new highrise. All of our cool new urbany sh*t is NOT downtown.
It's official...she's alive!
Delayed Central West End tower to move forward
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/bus ... the-latest
Delayed Central West End tower to move forward
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/bus ... the-latest
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Interesting to note that since we last saw the project proposal, its scope changed just a little bit.
- Apartment count increased (from 293 to 305).
- Parking space count decreased (from 340 to 308).
- Construction costs increased from $130 Million to $145 Million.
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Will the building be the same height or a bit taller? Either very exciting news
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Article says 30-stories, which is the same as we've seen.PlatinumBlues wrote: ↑Jan 25, 2025Will the building be the same height or a bit taller? Either very exciting news
2026 is going to be the year of the tower crane in St. Louis. What was the last record? 2018ish?
