Projects in the pipeline don't mean much. How many are in downtown STL that have not gotten out of the ground? Several thousand if I had to guess.ldai_phs wrote: ↑Jul 29, 2025It’s a bit of smoke and mirrors. A lot of projects are stalled and the City has introduced a number of regulations that have nearly entirely killed new proposals compared to the suburbs. Most multifamily construction is now in Johnson County.GoHarvOrGoHome wrote: ↑Jul 29, 2025People talk sh*t about DTKC but 7000 units are currently in the pipeline? Even if that includes the big development along the riverfront that is some serious momentum. Especially when you consider that the Riverfront residents will be seamlessly connected to Downtown with a free streetcar extension.
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Regarding 800 Grand, it's great to see the news finally get out that the Scarritt Building will be integrated into the overall project plan. I have my doubts any of it will happen though. $480 Million is a very hefty price tag.
Here are the pictures of the 9th tower crane in "Greater Downtown" and number 13 in the region (the other 4 are in Kansas). This one's for 1818 Main/The Refinery (which is a very ugly building).
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Here are the pictures of the 9th tower crane in "Greater Downtown" and number 13 in the region (the other 4 are in Kansas). This one's for 1818 Main/The Refinery (which is a very ugly building).
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Hopefully the pipeline of massive projects in and around downtown come to fruition, if they are all built around the same time then DTKC and the Crossroads will legitimately feel "energy" like 2015 Nashville. Cranes everywhere. All it takes is a "vibe" and their relatively slow growth could turn into something a bit more explosive.
^ for many reasons, KC will not in our lifetime have the level of growth of Nashville. Primarily, lack of higher education and research institutions that provide any talent pipeline to attract corporations that pay a salary to make both the level and quality of development feasible.
Look at the employment growth that KC has seen, largely blue collar, suburban, and middle income.
Look at the employment growth that KC has seen, largely blue collar, suburban, and middle income.
Mostly agreeaddxb2 wrote:^ for many reasons, KC will not in our lifetime have the level of growth of Nashville. Primarily, lack of higher education and research institutions that provide any talent pipeline to attract corporations that pay a salary to make both the level and quality of development feasible.
Look at the employment growth that KC has seen, largely blue collar, suburban, and middle income.
The security guard market for all those data centers is gonna go through the roof.
Twenty years ago, who would've thought that Nashville - Nashville! - would become a boomtown.
You just never know.
You just never know.
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Nashville lost its soul to its extreme growth. It’s better to have steady paced growth.
There is a growing data center construction and servicing community industry in the area.Auggie wrote:The security guard market for all those data centers is gonna go through the roof.
PortKC said that with the currently announced projects in KCMO alone there are approaching 6,000 on site construction workers with an average of 10 years of additional construction. More with the pipeline of unannounced deals.
Then there are the fabricators and suppliers around the region. Once opened, there is a continuous team of on-site contractors upgrading and refitting the data centers in addition to the small number of actual Google or Meta staff.
KCATA is on the verge of the massive reduction or shutting down entirely by mid-August following an unsuccessful city council meeting. The agency is currently running on a line of credit.
11 months until the World Cup. Imagine paying $3000+ to sit in 100+ degree heat then having to wait for a shuttle in a parking lot to get back to your hotel. I ran an informal analysis of WC stadiums and average July temperature/humidity and found that Kansas City and Miami have the greatest odds of being dangerously hot outdoor experiences. Miami has awnings.
A comparison of the St. Louis WC experience. Fan experiences outdoors and indoors with connected convention center. Covered stadium. Air conditioned mass transportation connecting TWO passenger airports and an Amtrak with high speed service to Chicago. Most hotel rooms within walking distance of stadium or MetroLink. Most restaurants and bars within walking distance. River walk, Arch, and main attractions within walking distance or short MetroLink ride.
KC winning the WC bid is corruption. I will not ever be convinced otherwise.
11 months until the World Cup. Imagine paying $3000+ to sit in 100+ degree heat then having to wait for a shuttle in a parking lot to get back to your hotel. I ran an informal analysis of WC stadiums and average July temperature/humidity and found that Kansas City and Miami have the greatest odds of being dangerously hot outdoor experiences. Miami has awnings.
A comparison of the St. Louis WC experience. Fan experiences outdoors and indoors with connected convention center. Covered stadium. Air conditioned mass transportation connecting TWO passenger airports and an Amtrak with high speed service to Chicago. Most hotel rooms within walking distance of stadium or MetroLink. Most restaurants and bars within walking distance. River walk, Arch, and main attractions within walking distance or short MetroLink ride.
KC winning the WC bid is corruption. I will not ever be convinced otherwise.
As far as I understand, the World Cup transit package is entirely separate contracts and funding source. Mostly coach buses and tourist busses have been hiredaddxb2 wrote:KCATA is on the verge of the massive reduction or shutting down entirely by mid-August following an unsuccessful city council meeting. The agency is currently running on a line of credit.
11 months until the World Cup. Imagine paying $3000+ to sit in 100+ degree heat then having to wait for a shuttle in a parking lot to get back to your hotel. I ran an informal analysis of WC stadiums and average July temperature/humidity and found that Kansas City and Miami have the greatest odds of being dangerously hot outdoor experiences. Miami has awnings.
A comparison of the St. Louis WC experience. Fan experiences outdoors and indoors with connected convention center. Covered stadium. Air conditioned mass transportation connecting TWO passenger airports and an Amtrak with high speed service to Chicago. Most hotel rooms within walking distance of stadium or MetroLink. Most restaurants and bars within walking distance. River walk, Arch, and main attractions within walking distance or short MetroLink ride.
KC winning the WC bid is corruption. I will not ever be convinced otherwise.
As someone who sources shuttle contracts for a Fortune 500 in every metropolitan area in North America, I can guarantee there is no amount of private shuttle service that can supplement a public transportation network.
Assuming 35-55 passenger shuttles, you’d need about 500 vehicles running 18 hour days for Airport, Downtown, Stadium connections. Even if I’m overestimating at 500 shuttles, $20-30M for one month. Is KC really spending $20-30M for one month?
Assuming 35-55 passenger shuttles, you’d need about 500 vehicles running 18 hour days for Airport, Downtown, Stadium connections. Even if I’m overestimating at 500 shuttles, $20-30M for one month. Is KC really spending $20-30M for one month?
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My personal opinion on the World Cup is that all the agencies over here are over estimating the number of people who will come to Kansas City for this event. Most attendees will be from a 4 hour circle around KC, therefore most will drive themselves. I don’t expect any teams that will draw large numbers of people will be hosted here or play their matches here. This will turn into a party for locals, which isn’t necessarily a bad thing.
While it’s cool that some World Cup events will be had here, it’s not going to be this big thing like a lot of people thought it would be.
While it’s cool that some World Cup events will be had here, it’s not going to be this big thing like a lot of people thought it would be.
They have contracted for 200 motor coaches alone thus far.addxb2 wrote:As someone who sources shuttle contracts for a Fortune 500 in every metropolitan area in North America, I can guarantee there is no amount of private shuttle service that can supplement a public transportation network.
Assuming 35-55 passenger shuttles, you’d need about 500 vehicles running 18 hour days for Airport, Downtown, Stadium connections. Even if I’m overestimating at 500 shuttles, $20-30M for one month. Is KC really spending $20-30M for one month?
When you spell it out like that, it's just totally insane that KC was even considered- much less actually got chosen.addxb2 wrote: ↑Aug 01, 2025KCATA is on the verge of the massive reduction or shutting down entirely by mid-August following an unsuccessful city council meeting. The agency is currently running on a line of credit.
11 months until the World Cup. Imagine paying $3000+ to sit in 100+ degree heat then having to wait for a shuttle in a parking lot to get back to your hotel. I ran an informal analysis of WC stadiums and average July temperature/humidity and found that Kansas City and Miami have the greatest odds of being dangerously hot outdoor experiences. Miami has awnings.
A comparison of the St. Louis WC experience. Fan experiences outdoors and indoors with connected convention center. Covered stadium. Air conditioned mass transportation connecting TWO passenger airports and an Amtrak with high speed service to Chicago. Most hotel rooms within walking distance of stadium or MetroLink. Most restaurants and bars within walking distance. River walk, Arch, and main attractions within walking distance or short MetroLink ride.
KC winning the WC bid is corruption. I will not ever be convinced otherwise.
$15M for 200 motor coaches, 18 hours per day, for 30 days. I really hope they purchased an aggregator who can provide tracking technology.ldai_phs wrote:They have contracted for 200 motor coaches alone thus far.addxb2 wrote:As someone who sources shuttle contracts for a Fortune 500 in every metropolitan area in North America, I can guarantee there is no amount of private shuttle service that can supplement a public transportation network.
Assuming 35-55 passenger shuttles, you’d need about 500 vehicles running 18 hour days for Airport, Downtown, Stadium connections. Even if I’m overestimating at 500 shuttles, $20-30M for one month. Is KC really spending $20-30M for one month?
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I’m not sure it’s for 30 days of active operations. There are only 6 games.addxb2 wrote:$15M for 200 motor coaches, 18 hours per day, for 30 days. I really hope they purchased an aggregator who can provide tracking technology.ldai_phs wrote:They have contracted for 200 motor coaches alone thus far.addxb2 wrote:As someone who sources shuttle contracts for a Fortune 500 in every metropolitan area in North America, I can guarantee there is no amount of private shuttle service that can supplement a public transportation network.
Assuming 35-55 passenger shuttles, you’d need about 500 vehicles running 18 hour days for Airport, Downtown, Stadium connections. Even if I’m overestimating at 500 shuttles, $20-30M for one month. Is KC really spending $20-30M for one month?
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I agree. I know that I’m not unbiased given my previous opinions but I believe visitors will feel they got the short end of the stick while having to sacrifice more to be there. KC has all that’s necessary to host and attract large domestic events and does it beautifully but I don’t see international travelers finding it impressive. Especially when compared to other host cities.Chris Stritzel wrote:My personal opinion on the World Cup is that all the agencies over here are over estimating the number of people who will come to Kansas City for this event. Most attendees will be from a 4 hour circle around KC, therefore most will drive themselves. I don’t expect any teams that will draw large numbers of people will be hosted here or play their matches here. This will turn into a party for locals, which isn’t necessarily a bad thing.
While it’s cool that some World Cup events will be had here, it’s not going to be this big thing like a lot of people thought it would be.
- no international flights, longer travel time. It is the ONLY host city without a transcontinental connection.
- limited transit, more money on Uber/Lyft + traffic. It is the ONLY host city without mass transportation.
- no covered events, hot and miserable matches.
- nothing naturally unique (oceans, lakes, mountains).
- nothing architecturally iconic (historic, recognizable).
- no connections to neighboring cities for paired trips.
Tier 1: New York, Los Angeles, Mexico City, Toronto, San Francisco, Vancouver, Miami, Seattle.
Tier 2: Philadelphia, Boston, Houston, Dallas, Houston, Atlanta, Guadalajara, Monterrey
Tier 3: Kansas City
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Shocked they’re playing in KC over Denveraddxb2 wrote:I agree. I know that I’m not unbiased given my previous opinions but I believe visitors will feel they got the short end of the stick while having to sacrifice more to be there. KC has all that’s necessary to host and attract large domestic events and does it beautifully but I don’t see international travelers finding it impressive. Especially when compared to other host cities.Chris Stritzel wrote:My personal opinion on the World Cup is that all the agencies over here are over estimating the number of people who will come to Kansas City for this event. Most attendees will be from a 4 hour circle around KC, therefore most will drive themselves. I don’t expect any teams that will draw large numbers of people will be hosted here or play their matches here. This will turn into a party for locals, which isn’t necessarily a bad thing.
While it’s cool that some World Cup events will be had here, it’s not going to be this big thing like a lot of people thought it would be.
- no international flights, longer travel time. It is the ONLY host city without a transcontinental connection.
- limited transit, more money on Uber/Lyft + traffic. It is the ONLY host city without mass transportation.
- no covered events, hot and miserable matches.
- nothing naturally unique (oceans, lakes, mountains).
- nothing architecturally iconic (historic, recognizable).
- no connections to neighboring cities for paired trips.
Tier 1: New York, Los Angeles, Mexico City, Toronto, San Francisco, Vancouver, Miami, Seattle.
Tier 2: Philadelphia, Boston, Houston, Dallas, Houston, Atlanta, Guadalajara, Monterrey
Tier 3: Kansas City
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https://www.kcur.org/housing-developmen ... -insulting
It's so remarkable just how bleak KC is from an urban/transit perspective. KCATA just hates its riders on a whole different level.
It's so remarkable just how bleak KC is from an urban/transit perspective. KCATA just hates its riders on a whole different level.
Yes the transit situation is bleak but these are common across the US and UK at this point.Auggie wrote:https://www.kcur.org/housing-developmen ... -insulting
It's so remarkable just how bleak KC is from an urban/transit perspective. KCATA just hates its riders on a whole different level.
At least Metro isn't actively removing the DIY bus benches here. What a joke.
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And its never going to change. KC is spread out in too many different directions and has more freeway miles per capita than anywhere in the country.Auggie wrote: ↑Aug 03, 2025https://www.kcur.org/housing-developmen ... -insulting
It's so remarkable just how bleak KC is from an urban/transit perspective. KCATA just hates its riders on a whole different level.
I move to Denver in October, I have just hated living here. JoCo especially must be the most overrated place amongst local residents I've ever been.
Are you moving to the city of Denver or a suburb? Denver proper is really really solid.Suburban Sprawl wrote: ↑Aug 04, 2025And its never going to change. KC is spread out in too many different directions and has more freeway miles per capita than anywhere in the country.Auggie wrote: ↑Aug 03, 2025https://www.kcur.org/housing-developmen ... -insulting
It's so remarkable just how bleak KC is from an urban/transit perspective. KCATA just hates its riders on a whole different level.
I move to Denver in October, I have just hated living here. JoCo especially must be the most overrated place amongst local residents I've ever been.
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Just next to Denver Tech Center. A place that makes College Blvd in OP look small fry and no one boasts about it. And it has very good transit by US standards.Auggie wrote: ↑Aug 04, 2025Are you moving to the city of Denver or a suburb? Denver proper is really really solid.Suburban Sprawl wrote: ↑Aug 04, 2025And its never going to change. KC is spread out in too many different directions and has more freeway miles per capita than anywhere in the country.Auggie wrote: ↑Aug 03, 2025https://www.kcur.org/housing-developmen ... -insulting
It's so remarkable just how bleak KC is from an urban/transit perspective. KCATA just hates its riders on a whole different level.
I move to Denver in October, I have just hated living here. JoCo especially must be the most overrated place amongst local residents I've ever been.
I will end up out in Lone Tree or somewhere like that if I settle, but I am just so starved of living in a vibrant city just now. And I'll still be living about 13-14 miles from Downtown Denver.
I really hope KC can sort out this mess with the ballpark and work a deal to get it Downtown as it needs some big projects but that is a very suburban minded city, even compared to STL.