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Yeah, there is not a doubt that this is a very ambitious project. But, I hope that it doesn’t fail and become an i walkable area with a bunch strip malls with a buttload of subdivisions that take up so much unnecessary space.

MAC is back with a 300+ unit proposal along Main at Armour BLVD. Will be right at a stop on the UMKC extension that’s set to open in ‘25.

Rezone and area plan amendment filed.

ldai_phs wrote: ↑

Oct 17, 2022

Performing Arts Center Tower

EPC/CBC filed plans with the FAA for a 500' tower in May. This is located to the west of the Kauffman Center. 40+ floors.

https://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/ ... raper.html

Oh please let this come to fruition. I can't recall when KC last proposed a highrise. Would be the first "true" skyscraper since 1989 and would be one of the only ones in recent memory not proposed by Cordish which is absurd. I'm optimistic but watch the FAA give them a hard time and it ends up being some unremarkable 20 story building, just like what happened to the Loews Hotel. Odd location though. 

Rocky Creek Data Center:

This is located across the highway from the 760-acre Golden Plains Tech Park (META is the 1st announced tenant there). City Plan Commission approved plans for Rocky Creek after they more than doubled SQFT due to the needs of the unnamed tenant,

Developer: Diode Ventures
Tenant: Unnamed Tech Firm
Size: 12 data centers totaling 4.31 million square feet. 

Mac Properties submitted plans for their 325-unit (used to be 385-unit) development at Main and Armour. Plans call for three, 10-story buildings on Main (all connected), a 9-story building on Armour (up from the preciously planned 6 floors) and the renovation of the US Bank Building. Parking will have 194 spaces and be located in a 2-story structure and on surface lots located behind the buildings on Main.

Compared to the plans from late last year/early this year, this plan leaves out two smaller buildings at Armour and Baltimore (merged into the Armour Tower) and leaves out the renovation of the New Yorker building on Baltimore.

The project, which hasn't been named, replaces a parking lot, Rancho's Mexican Restaurant, and a commercial building on 36th. Residents here will have easy access to the streetcar since it'll stop right outside their front door.

Mac is not seeking city incentives for this revised plan.




Previous massing diagram...

Loscher94 wrote:Panasonic selects De Soto, KS for $4 billion dollar EV battery plant, generating over 4000 jobs with thousands more indirect beating out Tulsa, OK.

https://www.kmbc.com/article/panasonic- ... s/40607716
https://www.reuters.com/technology/pana ... 022-07-13/

Panasonic is acquiring land for a $4 billion Phase 2 as ground breaking for Phase 1 nears.

Earlier in the year, De Soto filings identified an additional 296 acres just south as a site for a potential $4 billion second-phase Panasonic facility. A release from Kessinger Hunter & Co. confirms that Panasonic now also will occupy the additional acreage

Mac Properties Releases Main and Armour Renderings
325 apartments, 194 parking spaces, 25,000sf of retail space. The previous plan for the site included renovating the old New Yorker Apartments behind the site (which was dumped from this plan, but will still be renovated), plus two smaller buildings at the southwest corner of Armour and Baltimore (still planned, not included in this plan). These renderings were presented at last night's neighborhood meeting.





1818-1822 Main High-Rise
Copaken-Brooks is planning a 14-story high-rise apartment building at 1818-1822 Main in the Crossroads. The site is presently home to a few vacant buildings that most recently housed a nightclub. Plans call for 112 apartments above a 2-story parking garage with ground floor retail space. Generator Studio is the architect. Copaken intends to seek incentives and include affordable housing, but exact details aren't clear yet.

This site previously had a proposal for an office building.


Price Management Plans Condo Building
Price Management, a controversial firm due to their actions at 31st and Main, is proposing a 23-unit condo building at 4930 Grand. This is in the South Plaza neighborhood. If built, this building will replace a few single- and multi-family buildings. B+A Architects is the design firm,




Downtown KCK Area Heats Up
A few development proposals for the Downtown Kansas City Kansas area are slowly starting to emerge. For example, Sunflower Development has approval for a 7-story apartment building at 505 Central Avenue (rendering below). A few other plans came up recently, including a proposed, 6-story mixed-use building at Sixth and Ann, and the renovation of the historic UMB Bank Building at Sixth and Minnesota into 25 apartments and commercial space (involves removing the 70s glass facade to restore it back to the Art Deco look).

On the air service front.



British Airways is apparently looking add a new US destination this month along with rumors from BA insiders that the airline is in deep negotiations with KC. The top competitor for this flight is IND which was allegedly suppose to have been added last year but that was before KC fronted a $5 - 6.2 million incentives package. The new terminal and 2026 WC are also factoring. Frankly, KC would be a much stronger choice. I don't see what edge IND has over KC aside from *maybe* more OneWorld travellers? Roughly the same size in population, lower ticket price averages (aka lower revenue potential), no catchment and is sandwiched between two major hubs (ORD & DTW). PDEW is about the same but factoring in catchment, KC gains nearly double in PDEW over IND.

Justin Meyer was in London this week as well but publicly stated in the past that BA likely wouldn't add KC until 2024 but things can change quickly and air service is incredibly secretive. However he has a history of keeping cards close to his chest or giving "off" information until the 11th hr. JetBlue wasn't supposed to come until after the new terminal but here they are. Regardless if its BA or someone else, at this point, KC needs a full service European carrier to stay competitive.

Loscher94 wrote: ↑

Nov 10, 2022

On the air service front.



British Airways is apparently looking add a new US destination this month along with rumors from BA insiders that the airline is in deep negotiations with KC. The top competitor for this flight is IND which was allegedly suppose to have been added last year but that was before KC fronted a $5 - 6.2 million incentives package. The new terminal and 2026 WC are also factoring. Frankly, KC would be a much stronger choice. I don't see what edge IND has over KC aside from *maybe* more OneWorld travellers? Roughly the same size in population, lower ticket price averages (aka lower revenue potential), no catchment and is sandwiched between two major hubs (ORD & DTW). PDEW is about the same but factoring in catchment, KC gains nearly double in PDEW over IND.

Justin Meyer was in London this week as well but publicly stated in the past that BA likely wouldn't add KC until 2024 but things can change quickly and air service is incredibly secretive. However he has a history of keeping cards close to his chest or giving "off" information until the 11th hr. JetBlue wasn't supposed to come until after the new terminal but here they are. Regardless if its BA or someone else, at this point, KC needs a full service European carrier to stay competitive.

KC has 20% less American Airlines  passengers than Indy year to date and AA is very close to being the #1 airline at Indy with the growth they have gotten the last year. FWIW.

Also curious who the BA insiders are and links to them. All I’ve seen are random people on message boards talking about it.

I’ve personally always thought skyteam makes more sense for KC, AA doesn’t even fly to LAX from KC, but it isn’t like they shouldn’t be going after BA. Just not the airline I think fits KC best. But you gotta go after whatever you can.

New Missouri River entertainment district includes areas for marijuana consumption

 One day after Missouri approved recreational marijuana, developers are already rolling out ambitious plans to create a new entertainment district that allows people to consume marijuana.
It’s called the Smokey River Entertainment District and the plan is for it to be built in the small village of River Bend, Missouri along the Missouri River, north of Independence.

“You go to any music venue throughout the United States, cannabis has been a part of it whether you know it or not, whether it was legal or illegal,” said Besa Hospitality Group VP of Operations Marketing Joey Pintozzi.

That’s why Pintozzi says it makes sense to turn the mostly unused land north of the Missouri River into a massive entertainment district with wedding venues, an amphitheater, clubs, restaurants, and spots for people to consume recreational marijuana.

https://fox4kc.com/news/new-missouri-river-entertainment-district-includes-areas-for-marijuana-consumption/

jshank83 wrote: ↑

Nov 11, 2022

Loscher94 wrote: ↑

Nov 10, 2022

On the air service front.



British Airways is apparently looking add a new US destination this month along with rumors from BA insiders that the airline is in deep negotiations with KC. The top competitor for this flight is IND which was allegedly suppose to have been added last year but that was before KC fronted a $5 - 6.2 million incentives package. The new terminal and 2026 WC are also factoring. Frankly, KC would be a much stronger choice. I don't see what edge IND has over KC aside from *maybe* more OneWorld travellers? Roughly the same size in population, lower ticket price averages (aka lower revenue potential), no catchment and is sandwiched between two major hubs (ORD & DTW). PDEW is about the same but factoring in catchment, KC gains nearly double in PDEW over IND.

Justin Meyer was in London this week as well but publicly stated in the past that BA likely wouldn't add KC until 2024 but things can change quickly and air service is incredibly secretive. However he has a history of keeping cards close to his chest or giving "off" information until the 11th hr. JetBlue wasn't supposed to come until after the new terminal but here they are. Regardless if its BA or someone else, at this point, KC needs a full service European carrier to stay competitive.

KC has 20% less American Airlines  passengers than Indy year to date and AA is very close to being the #1 airline at Indy with the growth they have gotten the last year.  FWIW.

Also curious who the BA insiders are and links to them. All I’ve seen are random people on message boards talking about it.

I’ve personally always thought skyteam makes more sense for KC, AA doesn’t even fly to LAX from KC, but it isn’t like they shouldn’t be going after BA. Just not the airline I think fits KC best. But you gotta go after whatever you can.

Ain't nobody going to AMS and CDG is mostly tourism. KC wants LHR. Being Skyteam reliant puts KC in a bind. DL appears to have lost interest in PtP long haul travel and LHR is far and away the most popular European city and likely the only city with any real O/D along with offering the best connections. Garmin has their European regional hub in the UK as does Cerner/Oracle. The fastest growing international traffic from KC are to Asia/Middle East which LHR would be great for. As far as traffic ranking, its as follows; LHR, FRA, CDG then everywhere else. Skyteam hub AMS ranked just ahead of KEF but behind many other cities even Rome and Brussels which shocked me. 

In all fairness, I want a carrier that will have better success than IcelandAir, which means a route that isn't solely reliant on connecting traffic.

To be frank, we're comparing relatively similar cities and I doubt IND based AA members are that big of a factor. Overall traffic, prices and yields to London are better out of KC. AA is also the largest carrier beyond WN at KC. All of IND's AA routes are to hub cities, no point-to-point, no connecting traffic. MCI lacking LAX is a non issue as the route has plenty of competition. I always thought STL would land BA given its legacy AA status but LH it was (among other factors leading to that). LHR you could make work from practically any major city and is the largest European PDEW from KC. Its likely the only European carrier that could make KC work. BA or bust.

As far as rumors, remember, there has NEVER been official word from IND or BA officials during the media frenzy last year either. I too would like to know the "insiders" who started that. We'll find out soon enough.

Loscher94 wrote:

jshank83 wrote: ↑

Nov 11, 2022

Loscher94 wrote: ↑

Nov 10, 2022

On the air service front.



British Airways is apparently looking add a new US destination this month along with rumors from BA insiders that the airline is in deep negotiations with KC. The top competitor for this flight is IND which was allegedly suppose to have been added last year but that was before KC fronted a $5 - 6.2 million incentives package. The new terminal and 2026 WC are also factoring. Frankly, KC would be a much stronger choice. I don't see what edge IND has over KC aside from *maybe* more OneWorld travellers? Roughly the same size in population, lower ticket price averages (aka lower revenue potential), no catchment and is sandwiched between two major hubs (ORD & DTW). PDEW is about the same but factoring in catchment, KC gains nearly double in PDEW over IND.

Justin Meyer was in London this week as well but publicly stated in the past that BA likely wouldn't add KC until 2024 but things can change quickly and air service is incredibly secretive. However he has a history of keeping cards close to his chest or giving "off" information until the 11th hr. JetBlue wasn't supposed to come until after the new terminal but here they are. Regardless if its BA or someone else, at this point, KC needs a full service European carrier to stay competitive.

KC has 20% less American Airlines  passengers than Indy year to date and AA is very close to being the #1 airline at Indy with the growth they have gotten the last year.  FWIW.

Also curious who the BA insiders are and links to them. All I’ve seen are random people on message boards talking about it.

I’ve personally always thought skyteam makes more sense for KC, AA doesn’t even fly to LAX from KC, but it isn’t like they shouldn’t be going after BA. Just not the airline I think fits KC best. But you gotta go after whatever you can.

Ain't nobody going to AMS and CDG is mostly tourism. KC wants LHR. Being Skyteam reliant puts KC in a bind. DL appears to have lost interest in PtP long haul travel and LHR is far and away the most popular European city and likely the only city with any real O/D along with offering the best connections. Garmin has their European regional hub in the UK as does Cerner/Oracle. The fastest growing international traffic from KC are to Asia/Middle East which LHR would be great for. As far as traffic ranking, its as follows; LHR, FRA, CDG then everywhere else. Skyteam hub AMS ranked just ahead of KEF but behind many other cities even Rome and Brussels which shocked me. 

In all fairness, I want a carrier that will have better success than IcelandAir, which means a route that isn't solely reliant on connecting traffic.

To be frank, we're comparing relatively similar cities and I doubt IND based AA members are that big of a factor. Overall traffic, prices and yields to London are better out of KC. AA is also the largest carrier beyond WN at KC. All of IND's AA routes are to hub cities, no point-to-point, no connecting traffic. MCI lacking LAX is a non issue as the route has plenty of competition. I always thought STL would land BA given its legacy AA status but LH it was (among other factors leading to that). LHR you could make work from practically any major city and is the largest European PDEW from KC. Its likely the only European carrier that could make KC work. BA or bust.

As far as rumors, remember, there has NEVER been official word from IND or BA officials during the media frenzy last year either. I too would like to know the "insiders" who started that. We'll find out soon enough.

Last years frenzy was started because British air filed a request for slots to serve that city.

Delta, with the new club and all, would be great to do europe from KC.


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ldai_phs wrote: ↑

Nov 11, 2022

Loscher94 wrote:

jshank83 wrote: ↑

Nov 11, 2022

KC has 20% less American Airlines  passengers than Indy year to date and AA is very close to being the #1 airline at Indy with the growth they have gotten the last year.  FWIW.

Also curious who the BA insiders are and links to them. All I’ve seen are random people on message boards talking about it.

I’ve personally always thought skyteam makes more sense for KC, AA doesn’t even fly to LAX from KC, but it isn’t like they shouldn’t be going after BA. Just not the airline I think fits KC best. But you gotta go after whatever you can.

Ain't nobody going to AMS and CDG is mostly tourism. KC wants LHR. Being Skyteam reliant puts KC in a bind. DL appears to have lost interest in PtP long haul travel and LHR is far and away the most popular European city and likely the only city with any real O/D along with offering the best connections. Garmin has their European regional hub in the UK as does Cerner/Oracle. The fastest growing international traffic from KC are to Asia/Middle East which LHR would be great for. As far as traffic ranking, its as follows; LHR, FRA, CDG then everywhere else. Skyteam hub AMS ranked just ahead of KEF but behind many other cities even Rome and Brussels which shocked me. 

In all fairness, I want a carrier that will have better success than IcelandAir, which means a route that isn't solely reliant on connecting traffic.

To be frank, we're comparing relatively similar cities and I doubt IND based AA members are that big of a factor. Overall traffic, prices and yields to London are better out of KC. AA is also the largest carrier beyond WN at KC. All of IND's AA routes are to hub cities, no point-to-point, no connecting traffic. MCI lacking LAX is a non issue as the route has plenty of competition. I always thought STL would land BA given its legacy AA status but LH it was (among other factors leading to that). LHR you could make work from practically any major city and is the largest European PDEW from KC. Its likely the only European carrier that could make KC work. BA or bust.

As far as rumors, remember, there has NEVER been official word from IND or BA officials during the media frenzy last year either. I too would like to know the "insiders" who started that. We'll find out soon enough.

Last years frenzy was started because British air filed a request for slots to serve that city.

Delta, with the new club and all, would be great to do europe from KC.


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2nd this. BA filed for slots to serve Indy. So there actually was something there to go on more than random message board posters. They didn’t end up getting enough, I think it was 2 or 3 a week, to run the route so they used them elsewhere.

airforceguy1 wrote: ↑

Nov 11, 2022

New Missouri River entertainment district includes areas for marijuana consumption

 One day after Missouri approved recreational marijuana, developers are already rolling out ambitious plans to create a new entertainment district that allows people to consume marijuana.
It’s called the Smokey River Entertainment District and the plan is for it to be built in the small village of River Bend, Missouri along the Missouri River, north of Independence.

“You go to any music venue throughout the United States, cannabis has been a part of it whether you know it or not, whether it was legal or illegal,” said Besa Hospitality Group VP of Operations Marketing Joey Pintozzi.

That’s why Pintozzi says it makes sense to turn the mostly unused land north of the Missouri River into a massive entertainment district with wedding venues, an amphitheater, clubs, restaurants, and spots for people to consume recreational marijuana.

https://fox4kc.com/news/new-missouri-river-entertainment-district-includes-areas-for-marijuana-consumption/

Not sure about this being an actual thing that people will want to do over and over again. Source: A KC native living in Amsterdam. Getting (really) stoned around strangers isn't all that fun. 

^My guess is they will be heavily dependent upon people coming over from Kansas. 

The new home of the Kansas City Royals...

^Where would that be? 

dweebe wrote: ↑

Nov 16, 2022

If you truly want to be disappointed go to the social media replies to the Royals announcement. Dozens upon dozens of posts about lack of parking, claims they'll no longer be fans because access will be so tough and other anti-urbanist and crime fears mixed in. 

Even after people posts maps of the all the lots and garages people whine its not enough and "proper" and "the best" baseball stadiums are surrounded by huge parking lots. 



I've had to stop looking because I'd either smash my phone or computer in anger.

In all fairness, KC does not have a light rail system that seamlessly gets you right at the door of the stadium like we do. With that said, I'm glad they are building downtown. 

They haven't announce a specific location, just "downtown or near downtown."

dweebe wrote: ↑

Nov 16, 2022

If you truly want to be disappointed go to the social media replies to the Royals announcement. Dozens upon dozens of posts about lack of parking, claims they'll no longer be fans because access will be so tough and other anti-urbanist and crime fears mixed in. 

Even after people posts maps of the all the lots and garages people whine its not enough and "proper" and "the best" baseball stadiums are surrounded by huge parking lots. 



I've had to stop looking because I'd either smash my phone or computer in anger.

Don't take it to heart. The same people were complaining that a streetcar doesn't make any sense because it's just "a bus on rails". But yes, I saw the comments on Twitter and almost threw my phone as well. 

IMO I expect them to use the vacated space left by the interchange of 70 and 670 upon the removal of 670

GoHarvOrGoHome wrote: ↑

Nov 17, 2022

IMO I expect them to use the vacated space left by the interchange of 70 and 670 upon the removal of 670

I think we should keep 670 because Bartle Hall and The Grand Ball Room go over it and the planning that was going in to making it a tunnel with parks on top. But the northern highway portion i-35 I think should be removed, reconnecting downtown with the River Market and Columbus Park.  The best place is on the corner Troost and Truman at the Manual Career Tech Center, not East Village IMO. Because it's right next to the Kansas City MLB Urban Youth Academy and Negros Leagues baseball museum.